Cards defeat Sox and Oli in Game 2

[chuckaluck1]

Got the W but lifting McGreevy after 76 pitches and then O’Brien after 14? Why? Because the dreaded spreadsheet said to do so.

[Bad14]

No truer headline!

[The Nard]

Mcgreevy has regularly gone over 100 pitchesat Memphis.

This ain’t April.

[spfldan]

true that

[ICCFIM2]

Got the W but lifting McGreevy after 76 pitches and then O’Brien after 14? Why? Because the dreaded spreadsheet said to do so.

Yes, pulling him after 5 when you knew that both Helsley and Matton were not available in game 2 made no sense. Granillo and O'Brien have really firmed up the bullpen the last few days.

[cardinalsfever44]

Did Oli provide any postgame explanation on why McG was pulled so early?

[Dewey Kuey]

Did Oli provide any postgame explanation on why McG was pulled so early?

Doesn't really matter unless he was hurt. Any other reason than that is just Oli drivel.

[Cusecards]

Oli manages every game from a pregame script he creates.
He had 4 BP arms for game two that were not used in game one.
So his “script” says:
McGreevy- 5 innings
O’Brien/King/Leahy/Romero one inning each.
Has a 6-1 lead so he figures his script will work.
Unfortunately his “script” forces him to pull McGreevy and O’Brien who were pitching really well.
Leahy has been mostly good this year but he stunk today.
Not in the script.
McGreevy and O’Brien should have got them through eight.

[Red7]

Oli manages every game from a pregame script he creates.
He had 4 BP arms for game two that were not used in game one.
So his “script” says:
McGreevy- 5 innings
O’Brien/King/Leahy/Romero one inning each.
Has a 6-1 lead so he figures his script will work.
Unfortunately his “script” forces him to pull McGreevy and O’Brien who were pitching really well.
Leahy has been mostly good this year but he stunk today.
Not in the script.
McGreevy and O’Brien should have got them through eight.

The “script” you speak of is not Oli’s alone. It is created by a collaborative management group that includes Oli, numbers nerds, medical staff, and various FO staff. Oli has A voice, but not THE voice. It is then up to Oli to execute the script and then face the media.

[JuanAgosto]

As mentioned in an earlier post, Lil oli makes no decisions on his own. A group of people formulate a game plan hours in advance. In this case, the game plan was probably formulated last night after the postponement.

In his (their) defense, limiting O'Brien's pitches is understandable. He can be used again tomorrow. I doubt Leahy is available. Matz may also be out tomorrow. But pulling McGreevy so early was not a sensible move.

[ICCFIM2]

As mentioned in an earlier post, Lil oli makes no decisions on his own. A group of people formulate a game plan hours in advance. In this case, the game plan was probably formulated last night after the postponement.

In his (their) defense, limiting O'Brien's pitches is understandable. He can be used again tomorrow. I doubt Leahy is available. Matz may also be out tomorrow. But pulling McGreevy so early was not a sensible move.

The only thing I can think of is that they did not want him going through the line-up a third time. The problem with the strategy, also taking into account the pitchers used in the first game of the double header, is that if a team uses 6 relief pitchers in one day, it is inevitable 1 of them will have a bad day. It was Leahy today.

McGreevy has been impressive every time he has pitched, including the game he lost to the Dodgers. He appears to be the real deal.

[Cusecards]

Oli manages every game from a pregame script he creates.
He had 4 BP arms for game two that were not used in game one.
So his “script” says:
McGreevy- 5 innings
O’Brien/King/Leahy/Romero one inning each.
Has a 6-1 lead so he figures his script will work.
Unfortunately his “script” forces him to pull McGreevy and O’Brien who were pitching really well.
Leahy has been mostly good this year but he stunk today.
Not in the script.
McGreevy and O’Brien should have got them through eight.

The “script” you speak of is not Oli’s alone. It is created by a collaborative management group that includes Oli, numbers nerds, medical staff, and various FO staff. Oli has A voice, but not THE voice. It is then up to Oli to execute the script and then face the media.

Ok

[Charles King]

I heard them.say that McGreevy had only four days rest. Didn't want him pitching too many pitches today

[JuanAgosto]

As mentioned in an earlier post, Lil oli makes no decisions on his own. A group of people formulate a game plan hours in advance. In this case, the game plan was probably formulated last night after the postponement.

In his (their) defense, limiting O'Brien's pitches is understandable. He can be used again tomorrow. I doubt Leahy is available. Matz may also be out tomorrow. But pulling McGreevy so early was not a sensible move.

The only thing I can think of is that they did not want him going through the line-up a third time. The problem with the strategy, also taking into account the pitchers used in the first game of the double header, is that if a team uses 6 relief pitchers in one day, it is inevitable 1 of them will have a bad day. It was Leahy today.

McGreevy has been impressive every time he has pitched, including the game he lost to the Dodgers. He appears to be the real deal.

I agree. Using a revolving door of relievers will likely burn you with a least one. You would think a group so dedicated to analytics would understand that simple concept.

The 3rd time through a lineup idea doesn't make sense either. If a pitcher is cruising, leave him in. If he gets in trouble, then act accordingly.

I think the 3rd time through the order data is skewed because modern starters are used to going 5 and being done. So once they get to a certain point in the game (or pitch count), they regress instead of bearing down. The young pitchers haven't been properly taught how to navigate a lineup to get deep in games.

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As mentioned in an earlier post, Lil oli makes no decisions on his own. A group of people formulate a game plan hours in advance. In this case, the game plan was probably formulated last night after the postponement.

In his (their) defense, limiting O'Brien's pitches is understandable. He can be used again tomorrow. I doubt Leahy is available. Matz may also be out tomorrow. But pulling McGreevy so early was not a sensible move.

The only thing I can think of is that they did not want him going through the line-up a third time. The problem with the strategy, also taking into account the pitchers used in the first game of the double header, is that if a team uses 6 relief pitchers in one day, it is inevitable 1 of them will have a bad day. It was Leahy today.

McGreevy has been impressive every time he has pitched, including the game he lost to the Dodgers. He appears to be the real deal.

I agree. Using a revolving door of relievers will likely burn you with a least one. You would think a group so dedicated to analytics would understand that simple concept.

The 3rd time through a lineup idea doesn't make sense either. If a pitcher is cruising, leave him in. If he gets in trouble, then act accordingly.

I think the 3rd time through the order data is skewed because modern starters are used to going 5 and being done. So once they get to a certain point in the game (or pitch count), they regress instead of bearing down. The young pitchers haven't been properly taught how to navigate a lineup to get deep in games.

Especially with a 5-run lead, there was no need to relieve McGreevy. If he gets in a jam after 5, pull him then.

[JuanAgosto]

As mentioned in an earlier post, Lil oli makes no decisions on his own. A group of people formulate a game plan hours in advance. In this case, the game plan was probably formulated last night after the postponement.

In his (their) defense, limiting O'Brien's pitches is understandable. He can be used again tomorrow. I doubt Leahy is available. Matz may also be out tomorrow. But pulling McGreevy so early was not a sensible move.

The only thing I can think of is that they did not want him going through the line-up a third time. The problem with the strategy, also taking into account the pitchers used in the first game of the double header, is that if a team uses 6 relief pitchers in one day, it is inevitable 1 of them will have a bad day. It was Leahy today.

McGreevy has been impressive every time he has pitched, including the game he lost to the Dodgers. He appears to be the real deal.

I agree. Using a revolving door of relievers will likely burn you with a least one. You would think a group so dedicated to analytics would understand that simple concept.

The 3rd time through a lineup idea doesn't make sense either. If a pitcher is cruising, leave him in. If he gets in trouble, then act accordingly.

I think the 3rd time through the order data is skewed because modern starters are used to going 5 and being done. So once they get to a certain point in the game (or pitch count), they regress instead of bearing down. The young pitchers haven't been properly taught how to navigate a lineup to get deep in games.

Especially with a 5-run lead, there was no need to relieve McGreevy. If he gets in a jam after 5, pull him then.

We think alike my friend.