Erik Karlsson from Pittsburgh

[stanw]

Would you trade Justin Faulk cap hit 6.5 for 2 years <real money owed $4 million per> 2nd pair RHD and Mathieu Joseph rw/lw 1 year left at 2.9 million for Erik Karlsson if Pittsburgh retained some money.
You’re not just acquiring Karlsson to play on the PP, you’re acquiring him to add a dynamic offensive threat at 5v5.
salary wise, EK is due a total of $16. 5 million in the next 2 seasons. $4 mill in SB and $5 mill in Base for 25/26. then $1.5 mill in SB and $6 mill in Base for 26/27. Average of $8.25 mill per.
SJ is also retaining $1.5 mill of the $11.5 mill cap. That's just over 13%. So, that would drop what is due to him by 13% as SJ is covering that amount. So, that's roughly $900K per season in real money savings. So, from $8.25 mill per to like $7.35 mill on a $10 mill cap charge. If Pitt retains than it will drop down even more.
I think this would change the look of the defense, add some more offense. Plus he only has 2 years left on the deal, hopefully by then some of the younger Blues d-men would be ready to step into the line up.

[danno]

Its a no for me dawg

[STL fan in MN]

Its a no for me dawg

+1.

The Pens would have to eat a lot of that contract for me to be interested.

[TAFKAP]

Our D is a retirement home as it is, buuuuuuut, if ya squint, I wouldn't hate it. EK can't be happy being part of yet another rebuild.

[skilles]

I'm not sure why the Pens would want to do that, there best bet is probably to trade him at the deadline next year. If he is having a good year and they retain they will probably do pretty well.

[skilles]

Its a no for me dawg

+1.

The Pens would have to eat a lot of that contract for me to be interested.

And if they do that they are gonna want a much bigger return.

[TheJackBurton]

I'm not sure why the Pens would want to do that, there best bet is probably to trade him at the deadline next year. If he is having a good year and they retain they will probably do pretty well.

ehhh Karlsson isn't the one I'd want from the Penguins anyway.

I'd take Noel Acciari back with no problem and probably would only cost a low level prospect or a late round pick.

[skilles]

I'm not sure why the Pens would want to do that, there best bet is probably to trade him at the deadline next year. If he is having a good year and they retain they will probably do pretty well.

ehhh Karlsson isn't the one I'd want from the Penguins anyway.

I'd take Noel Acciari back with no problem and probably would only cost a low level prospect or a late round pick.

I'd certainly take Karlsson at a reduced salary for 2 years

I like Acciari but I think I'd just assume sign Faksa

[zamadoo]

If there's someone I want from PIT it's Malkin or Crosby.

While we're discussing fantasy, how about something along the lines of:

#19
Faulk
Leddy
Joseph
Prospect(s)

for

Malkin
Karlsson $3.5M retained

Or maybe we can get them to take Krug?

[DawgDad]

This thread strikes me as absurd. You guys want to turn a good Blues team into the fading artifacts of the Penguins???? Whose side are you on?

Sure, Crosby can be our bridge 2C, IF he wants to come here, IF the Pens retain about 90%, IF he's ok sitting in the press box watching Dvorsky play when he's breaking in. A lot of IFs there. Karlsson? The Blues schooled him five years ago. Fowler he is not.

[zamadoo]

This thread strikes me as absurd. You guys want to turn a good Blues team into the fading artifacts of the Penguins???? Whose side are you on?

Sure, Crosby can be our bridge 2C, IF he wants to come here, IF the Pens retain about 90%, IF he's ok sitting in the press box watching Dvorsky play when he's breaking in. A lot of IFs there. Karlsson? The Blues schooled him five years ago. Fowler he is not.

Blues schooled him? He was clearly injured yet was still dangerous and lead the Sharks who we barely made it past in 6 games. He had 53 points the past two seasons, more than Faulk (or Fowler) has ever had, and the season prior he had literally double what Faulk had (which was Faulk's highest in his career).

I did mention the word "fantasy" but I disagree with your assessment.

[Baker5]

This thread strikes me as absurd. You guys want to turn a good Blues team into the fading artifacts of the Penguins???? Whose side are you on?

Sure, Crosby can be our bridge 2C, IF he wants to come here, IF the Pens retain about 90%, IF he's ok sitting in the press box watching Dvorsky play when he's breaking in. A lot of IFs there. Karlsson? The Blues schooled him five years ago. Fowler he is not.

Crosby our bridge 2C?? The guy that’s put up over 90 points the past 3 seasons?? No way he’d come here, but if he would he certainly would not be the #2 C nor would he ever sit in the press box.

[DawgDad]

This thread strikes me as absurd. You guys want to turn a good Blues team into the fading artifacts of the Penguins???? Whose side are you on?

Sure, Crosby can be our bridge 2C, IF he wants to come here, IF the Pens retain about 90%, IF he's ok sitting in the press box watching Dvorsky play when he's breaking in. A lot of IFs there. Karlsson? The Blues schooled him five years ago. Fowler he is not.

Crosby our bridge 2C?? The guy that’s put up over 90 points the past 3 seasons?? No way he’d come here, but if he would he certainly would not be the #2 C nor would he ever sit in the press box.

Precisely my point.

[Sweet Jones]

This thread strikes me as absurd. You guys want to turn a good Blues team into the fading artifacts of the Penguins???? Whose side are you on?

Sure, Crosby can be our bridge 2C, IF he wants to come here, IF the Pens retain about 90%, IF he's ok sitting in the press box watching Dvorsky play when he's breaking in. A lot of IFs there. Karlsson? The Blues schooled him five years ago. Fowler he is not.

Crosby our bridge 2C?? The guy that’s put up over 90 points the past 3 seasons?? No way he’d come here, but if he would he certainly would not be the #2 C nor would he ever sit in the press box.

Precisely my point.

[DawgDad]

This thread strikes me as absurd. You guys want to turn a good Blues team into the fading artifacts of the Penguins???? Whose side are you on?

Sure, Crosby can be our bridge 2C, IF he wants to come here, IF the Pens retain about 90%, IF he's ok sitting in the press box watching Dvorsky play when he's breaking in. A lot of IFs there. Karlsson? The Blues schooled him five years ago. Fowler he is not.

Blues schooled him? He was clearly injured yet was still dangerous and lead the Sharks who we barely made it past in 6 games. He had 53 points the past two seasons, more than Faulk (or Fowler) has ever had, and the season prior he had literally double what Faulk had (which was Faulk's highest in his career).

I did mention the word "fantasy" but I disagree with your assessment.

Blues "barely" made it past the Sharks? The only reason it went to six games was the stupid hand pass.

Fowler with the Blues: 51g 9-27-36 pts +19, 21 ES assists 21:42
Karlsson: 82g 11-42-53 -24 29 ES assists 23:14

Fowler overall actually had more "point shares" than Karlsson, 6.9 to 6.7, though that's pretty even. Defensively they are not in the same class, Fowler is, Karlsson is not.

Karlsson would be an upgrade over Faulk, certainly would be offensively, if you believe his +/- would improve significantly playing for the Blues. Faulk needs to stem his decline and play better or yes he is a target for an upgrade. The question then becomes is an aging, expensive, defensively challenged (deficient) Karlsson what the Blues should be looking for? I say NO.

[callitwhatyouwant]

This thread strikes me as absurd. You guys want to turn a good Blues team into the fading artifacts of the Penguins???? Whose side are you on?

Sure, Crosby can be our bridge 2C, IF he wants to come here, IF the Pens retain about 90%, IF he's ok sitting in the press box watching Dvorsky play when he's breaking in. A lot of IFs there. Karlsson? The Blues schooled him five years ago. Fowler he is not.

Blues schooled him? He was clearly injured yet was still dangerous and lead the Sharks who we barely made it past in 6 games. He had 53 points the past two seasons, more than Faulk (or Fowler) has ever had, and the season prior he had literally double what Faulk had (which was Faulk's highest in his career).

I did mention the word "fantasy" but I disagree with your assessment.

Blues "barely" made it past the Sharks? The only reason it went to six games was the stupid hand pass.

Fowler with the Blues: 51g 9-27-36 pts +19, 21 ES assists 21:42
Karlsson: 82g 11-42-53 -24 29 ES assists 23:14

Fowler overall actually had more "point shares" than Karlsson, 6.9 to 6.7, though that's pretty even. Defensively they are not in the same class, Fowler is, Karlsson is not.

Karlsson would be an upgrade over Faulk, certainly would be offensively, if you believe his +/- would improve significantly playing for the Blues. Faulk needs to stem his decline and play better or yes he is a target for an upgrade. The question then becomes is an aging, expensive, defensively challenged (deficient) Karlsson what the Blues should be looking for? I say NO.

the misconception is that Faulk is declining everywhere in his game. His points are dropping due to his shot percentage being at career lows the last 2 seasons. But he is playing better defensively or at the very least the same. He's not the defensive liability people want to try and make him out to be.