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The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
by Basil Shabazz
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 07:38 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How about I’m managing to win, but my first priority is the tieing run.
So if I bunt it looks as if I’m playing the run, but I gotta tie before I can win. So I bunt minimum.
Why bunt. Only three real outcomes can stop me from moving that runner- K, come backer, pop out.
To assure moving the runner you bunt.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 07:41 am
by ramfandan
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How do you ensure you tie ? Have watched many games where home team hasn’t scored .
Personally, I would have bunted with Noot. Still no certainty he is going to score with 1 out.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 07:45 am
by AnExParrot
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:38 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How about I’m managing to win, but my first priority is the tieing run.
So if I bunt it looks as if I’m playing the run, but I gotta tie before I can win. So I bunt minimum.
Why bunt. Only three real outcomes can stop me from moving that runner- K, come backer, pop out.
To assure moving the runner you bunt.
You have to tie before you can win? Uhh, no you don't.
That aside, even a successful bunt does not
ensure you tie.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 07:46 am
by Basil Shabazz
ramfandan wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:41 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How do you ensure you tie ? Have watched many games where home team hasn’t scored .
Personally, I would have bunted with Noot. Still no certainty he is going to score with 1 out.
Nothing is 100%. Hopefully, we all know that. But VSII on 3B with 1 out and Winn, Donny due is pretty close to it. Winn's groundball to 2B scores VSII.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 07:49 am
by Basil Shabazz
Obviously, the word "ensure" has some of you guys all twisted up. Sorry.
For the record, I understand that nothing is 100%.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 07:49 am
by sikeston bulldog2
AnExParrot wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:45 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:38 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How about I’m managing to win, but my first priority is the tieing run.
So if I bunt it looks as if I’m playing the run, but I gotta tie before I can win. So I bunt minimum.
Why bunt. Only three real outcomes can stop me from moving that runner- K, come backer, pop out.
To assure moving the runner you bunt.
You have to tie before you can win? Uhh, no you don't.
That aside, even a successful bunt does not
ensure you tie.
Sure you do. Even on a homerun, the tieing run scores before the lead or tieing run.
No a bunt doesn’t assure a run, but with Scott on third and top of order, that’s close.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 07:57 am
by Goldfan
If a team/manager can’t get a runner from 2nd home with best hitters on team due up something is wrong
Groundball/bunt to 3rd and ANY combination of hit, fly,……gets it done
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 08:06 am
by AnExParrot
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:49 am
AnExParrot wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:45 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:38 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How about I’m managing to win, but my first priority is the tieing run.
So if I bunt it looks as if I’m playing the run, but I gotta tie before I can win. So I bunt minimum.
Why bunt. Only three real outcomes can stop me from moving that runner- K, come backer, pop out.
To assure moving the runner you bunt.
You have to tie before you can win? Uhh, no you don't.
That aside, even a successful bunt does not
ensure you tie.
Sure you do. Even on a homerun, the tieing run scores before the lead or tieing run.
No a bunt doesn’t assure a run, but with Scott on third and top of order, that’s close.
If a game is tied, and a team hits a 2 run walkoff HR do they only count the run that wins? They do not.
No, it's not close to ensured, this is baseball, after all.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 08:09 am
by jcgmoi
If a team/manager can’t get a runner from 2nd home with best hitters on team due up something is wrong
It's disappointing and frustrating but how is it wrong? StL isn't the first home team which lost by a run because they couldn't get the Manfred Man around.
Baseball is hard and the other team is trying to win too.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 08:09 am
by scoutyjones2
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
Ok. But the players failed to perform. Your point?
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 08:10 am
by scoutyjones2
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:38 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How about I’m managing to win, but my first priority is the tieing run.
So if I bunt it looks as if I’m playing the run, but I gotta tie before I can win. So I bunt minimum.
Why bunt. Only three real outcomes can stop me from moving that runner- K, come backer, pop out.
To assure moving the runner you bunt.
Cards players suck at bunting though
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 08:11 am
by scoutyjones2
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:46 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:41 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How do you ensure you tie ? Have watched many games where home team hasn’t scored .
Personally, I would have bunted with Noot. Still no certainty he is going to score with 1 out.
Nothing is 100%. Hopefully, we all know that. But VSII on 3B with 1 out and Winn, Donny due is pretty close to it. Winn's groundball to 2B scores VSII.
But Argo wasn't on 3b with one out. Players failed to perform. I can't believe many on here don't understand that...
Cards suck at bunting too
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 08:12 am
by Basil Shabazz
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 08:10 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:38 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How about I’m managing to win, but my first priority is the tieing run.
So if I bunt it looks as if I’m playing the run, but I gotta tie before I can win. So I bunt minimum.
Why bunt. Only three real outcomes can stop me from moving that runner- K, come backer, pop out.
To assure moving the runner you bunt.
Cards players suck at bunting though
It is a fundamental.
How do you fix fundamentals? Whose job is it to fix fundamentals?
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 08:19 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 08:12 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 08:10 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:38 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:34 am
Bottom 10th, down 5-4, fastest runner on 2B, 0 outs, 1,2,3 batters due up......
Are you managing in this situation to ensure you tie at the very least? Or, are you managing to win with no regard to at least tying?
I am ensuring the tie and then going for the win.
How about I’m managing to win, but my first priority is the tieing run.
So if I bunt it looks as if I’m playing the run, but I gotta tie before I can win. So I bunt minimum.
Why bunt. Only three real outcomes can stop me from moving that runner- K, come backer, pop out.
To assure moving the runner you bunt.
Cards players suck at bunting though
It is a fundamental.
How do you fix fundamentals? Whose job is it to fix fundamentals?
No it’s more than fundamental. It’s strategic. By now teams should have a very well layer out plan for extras.
Re: The Situation
Posted: 10 Jun 2025 08:27 am
by Whatashame
The issue is the K from Nootbaar. The one thing that he can’t do in that situation is strike out. With Scott on second, Nootbaar has to put the ball in play. So many things would have allowed Scott to get to 3B with one out but striking out just can’t happen.