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Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 04:46 am
by Bully4you
I've noticed he's the best defensive option now.
Didn't realize he'd been this good.
Here's the data from SIS:
Pedro Pagés, Cardinals C
Pedro Pagés led all catchers with 8 Defensive Runs Saved in May. He entered the month with -2 Runs Saved for the season and finished it with 6 Runs Saved. Only Patrick Bailey (8) and Alejandro Kirk (7) have more for the season.
For the season, Pagés has added value in Stolen Base Runs Saved as well as our stats for pitch blocking and pitch. framing
He’s thrown out 8 of 32 baserunners attempting to steal (25%) and picked off two others. The average caught stealing rate for a catcher is 18%.
He’s successfully blocked 94% of potential wild pitches. The average block rate is typically around 91% or 92%.
Staff ace Sonny Gray seems to enjoy pitching to Pagés. Gray had six starts in May. His three scoreless ones featured 28 strikeouts and 3 walks. Pagés caught all three. For the season, Gray has a 2.32 ERA in 9 starts with Pagés catching. He’s allowed 14 runs in 14 2/3 innings with others catching.
https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/202 ... dro-pages/
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:17 am
by Monsieur De Treville
The long-term solution is Bernal. Love Pages and what he brings to the table.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:20 am
by Cranny
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:17 am
The long-term solution is Bernal. Love Pages and what he brings to the table.
Bernal and Crooks will fight it out.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:23 am
by Monsieur De Treville
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:20 am
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:17 am
The long-term solution is Bernal. Love Pages and what he brings to the table.
Bernal and Crooks will fight it out.
Bernal is the better prospect. I wouldn't be shocked to see Crooks in a trade this summer or in the offseason.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:23 am
by 11WSChamps
I've said all along people are sleeping on Pages.
The two kids may have better offensive upside but intangibles behind the plate are tantamount to having a solid pitching staff. Pages apparently has that.
It may be tough to wrestle the job away from the underdog.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:24 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Bully4you wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 04:46 am
I've noticed he's the best defensive option now.
Didn't realize he'd been this good.
Here's the data from SIS:
Pedro Pagés, Cardinals C
Pedro Pagés led all catchers with 8 Defensive Runs Saved in May. He entered the month with -2 Runs Saved for the season and finished it with 6 Runs Saved. Only Patrick Bailey (8) and Alejandro Kirk (7) have more for the season.
For the season, Pagés has added value in Stolen Base Runs Saved as well as our stats for pitch blocking and pitch. framing
He’s thrown out 8 of 32 baserunners attempting to steal (25%) and picked off two others. The average caught stealing rate for a catcher is 18%.
He’s successfully blocked 94% of potential wild pitches. The average block rate is typically around 91% or 92%.
Staff ace Sonny Gray seems to enjoy pitching to Pagés. Gray had six starts in May. His three scoreless ones featured 28 strikeouts and 3 walks. Pagés caught all three. For the season, Gray has a 2.32 ERA in 9 starts with Pagés catching. He’s allowed 14 runs in 14 2/3 innings with others catching.
https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/202 ... dro-pages/
All we did here is add another GG to our infield and team. We may be the best defensive team in baseball overall.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:29 am
by Cranny
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:23 am
Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:20 am
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:17 am
The long-term solution is Bernal. Love Pages and what he brings to the table.
Bernal and Crooks will fight it out.
Bernal is the better prospect. I wouldn't be shocked to see Crooks in a trade this summer or in the offseason.
I rate them about equal.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:33 am
by rockondlouie
1000000000% NO!
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:34 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:35 am
by jbrach
he cant hit at all so no
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:38 am
by Basil Shabazz
Agreed. Pages would make a great b/u catcher, but we should aim higher for a starting catcher.
Also, I wouldn't be in such a hurry to trade Crooks. There is nothing wrong with having both Bernal and Crooks cost controlled sharing the duty. Whether it is a 70/30, 60, 40, or 50/50 split - it is cost controlled and both seem to have legitimate upside.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:38 am
by sikeston bulldog2
jbrach wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:35 am
he cant hit at all so no
Two thought- he can hit but not consistent. And if he is good behind the plate, that in itself is worthy. This helps his pitchers tremendously.
I’d love a hitter too but on our infield we can surface some offense for the best defense.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:39 am
by Melville
Bully4you wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 04:46 am
I've noticed he's the best defensive option now.
Didn't realize he'd been this good.
Here's the data from SIS:
Pedro Pagés, Cardinals C
Pedro Pagés led all catchers with 8 Defensive Runs Saved in May. He entered the month with -2 Runs Saved for the season and finished it with 6 Runs Saved. Only Patrick Bailey (8) and Alejandro Kirk (7) have more for the season.
For the season, Pagés has added value in Stolen Base Runs Saved as well as our stats for pitch blocking and pitch. framing
He’s thrown out 8 of 32 baserunners attempting to steal (25%) and picked off two others. The average caught stealing rate for a catcher is 18%.
He’s successfully blocked 94% of potential wild pitches. The average block rate is typically around 91% or 92%.
Staff ace Sonny Gray seems to enjoy pitching to Pagés. Gray had six starts in May. His three scoreless ones featured 28 strikeouts and 3 walks. Pagés caught all three. For the season, Gray has a 2.32 ERA in 9 starts with Pagés catching. He’s allowed 14 runs in 14 2/3 innings with others catching.
https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/202 ... dro-pages/
Excellent post.
Confirms what those of us who understand this game have been saying for a long time.
It could not possibly be any more obvious the pitching staff and coaches trust Pages - and THAT settles the matter.
Now, to your question.
Is Pages the long-term solution?
He is the starting catcher until someone takes the job away.
One of the prospects may do so - but it won't be easy and won't be handed over.
In the current chapter of Cardinal baseball, the job belongs to Pages.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:40 am
by rockondlouie
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:38 am
Agreed. Pages would make a great b/u catcher, but we should aim higher for a starting catcher.
Also, I wouldn't be in such a hurry to trade Crooks. There is nothing wrong with having both Bernal and Crooks cost controlled sharing the duty. Whether it is a 70/30, 60, 40, or 50/50 split - it is cost controlled and both seem to have legitimate upside.
And that's what he is Basil, a solid backup catcher who CAN'T HIT!
The pipeline is loaded w/young catchers and hopefully one can handle a staff, throw and hit!
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:40 am
by Jatalk
I think he is 26 years old and a keeper. Gives Cards a lot of flexibility with prospects via trade options.
Re: Pedro Pages: Is he the long-term solution (Just named defensive player of the month)
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 08:40 am
by bccardsfan
jbrach wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 08:35 am
he cant hit at all so no
Pretty much this^. Yadi couldn't hit at first either, so maybe Pages can make himself into a serviceable hitter. We shall see. He will certainly hold the position until one of the kids in the minors can take it away from him.