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Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 21:31 pm
by ecleme22
Kyle Tucker: 12 HR, .918 OPS, 2.4 WAR.
Isaac Paredes 12 HR, .803 OPS, 1.9 WAR, FA 2028
Cam Smith .707 OPS, 1.1 WAR, FA 2032? (first round pick, 2024)
Hayden Wesneski 1-3 4.50 ERA, 0.3 WAR, 1.094 WHIP, FA 2030
Astros are currently tied in first place. And, they have a ton of player control between those three.
Good deal for the Astros.
Good deal for Chicago now. Let's see in a year or two if Chicago didn't overextend themselves.
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 21:39 pm
by imadangman
Tucker is a free agent after the season they were not going to sign him long-term.
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 22:56 pm
by ecleme22
imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:39 pm
Tucker is a free agent after the season they were not going to sign him long-term.
And they got a nice haul for him.
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 04:01 am
by 2ninr
imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:39 pm
Tucker is a free agent after the season they were not going to sign him long-term.
Houston is a smart org. (I hate) That's what smart orgs do. I hope we get smart. We have 4 guys who are walking at seasons end. Yet people want to hang on to them so we can chase a 3rd wildcard.
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 05:26 am
by NorthernBird
2ninr wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 04:01 am
We have 4 guys who are walking at seasons end. Yet people want to hang on to them so we can chase a 3rd wildcard.
We have 5 with Maton, but honestly there were only 2.5 guys clamored about being held:
- Helsley (because Mo announced a fire sale, instantly diminishing his value - and he’d be worth more at the trade deadline to a desperate team)
- Fedde (because he’s getting paid peanuts and you need a serviceable arm in the rotation - especially if you unload Mik/Matz)
- Matz (the 0.5, because we needed arms in the pen and his overall value wouldn’t have brought any return - we’d dump him for nothing and still end up paying most his salary, so it made sense to have him as a BP/swing guy to allow a soft approach to bringing the young guys up from Memphis)
- No one wanted Mik
- Maton was signed because BDW/Mo were being ridiculed as the only org to not bring in a FA, and there was a need for a BP arm
Helsley is the only one worth considering extending. You can make an argument either way, it’s not my money so I say keep him. However BP contracts can be risky. Another risk is not having anyone to solidify the end of the game: you have to ask if we let Hels walk/trade at the deadline, who slots into the CL role?
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 05:30 am
by 2ninr
NorthernBird wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 05:26 am
2ninr wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 04:01 am
We have 4 guys who are walking at seasons end. Yet people want to hang on to them so we can chase a 3rd wildcard.
We have 5 with Maton, but honestly there were only 2.5 guys clamored about being held:
- Helsley (because Mo announced a fire sale, instantly diminishing his value - and he’d be worth more at the trade deadline to a desperate team)
- Fedde (because he’s getting paid peanuts and you need a serviceable arm in the rotation - especially if you unload Mik/Matz)
- Matz (the 0.5, because we needed arms in the pen and his overall value wouldn’t have brought any return - we’d dump him for nothing and still end up paying most his salary, so it made sense to have him as a BP/swing guy to allow a soft approach to bringing the young guys up from Memphis)
- No one wanted Mik
- Maton was signed because BDW/Mo were being ridiculed as the only org to not bring in a FA, and there was a need for a BP arm
Helsley is the only one worth considering extending. You can make an argument either way, it’s not my money so I say keep him. However BP contracts can be risky. Another risk is not having anyone to solidify the end of the game: you have to ask if we let Hels walk/trade at the deadline, who slots into the CL role?
I forgot about Maton. I'm like you it's not my money. But the Cardinals have a budget and no way they extend Helsley for what it will take. They will convert someone. Tink Hence?
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 06:21 am
by Alex Reyes Cy Young
2ninr wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 04:01 am
imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:39 pm
Tucker is a free agent after the season they were not going to sign him long-term.
Houston is a smart org. (I hate) That's what smart orgs do. I hope we get smart. We have 4 guys who are walking at seasons end. Yet people want to hang on to them so we can chase a 3rd wildcard.
Yep. It would be pretty stupid to hang onto all of them. Need to move them and attempt to get a good return.
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 08:42 am
by 45s
Stros fans are very grateful Arenado passed....
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 08:53 am
by Futuregm2
45s wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:42 am
Stros fans are very grateful Arenado passed....
And yet….
Nolan Arenado: .227/.298/.370 0.7 bWAR
Christian Walker: .208/.272/.362 -0.5 bWAR
How much money have the Astros wasted on Walker and Jose Abreu?
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 08:57 am
by 45s
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:53 am
45s wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:42 am
Stros fans are very grateful Arenado passed....
And yet….
Nolan Arenado: .227/.298/.370 0.7 bWAR
Christian Walker: .208/.272/.362 -0.5 bWAR
How much money have the Astros wasted on Walker and Jose Abreu?
too much......but the stros had the wisdom to cut abreu loose....
if only the cards had dumped wainwright and molina...$$$$$$
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 08:57 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:53 am
45s wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:42 am
Stros fans are very grateful Arenado passed....
And yet….
Nolan Arenado: .227/.298/.370 0.7 bWAR
Christian Walker: .208/.272/.362 -0.5 bWAR
How much money have the Astros wasted on Walker and Jose Abreu?
About every penny.
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 09:01 am
by Futuregm2
45s wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:57 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:53 am
45s wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 08:42 am
Stros fans are very grateful Arenado passed....
And yet….
Nolan Arenado: .227/.298/.370 0.7 bWAR
Christian Walker: .208/.272/.362 -0.5 bWAR
How much money have the Astros wasted on Walker and Jose Abreu?
too much......but the stros had the wisdom to cut abreu loose....
if only the cards had dumped wainwright and molina...$$$$$$
Wainwright and Yadi were only bad in the last year of their deals.
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 10:27 am
by Bomber1
2ninr wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 04:01 am
imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:39 pm
Tucker is a free agent after the season they were not going to sign him long-term.
Houston is a smart org. (I hate) That's what smart orgs do. I hope we get smart. We have 4 guys who are walking at seasons end. Yet people want to hang on to them so we can chase a 3rd wildcard.
+1 nice take.
Re: Hot Take: I don't think the 'Stros are crying about the Kyle Tucker deal.
Posted: 06 Jun 2025 14:55 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Bomber1 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 10:27 am
2ninr wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 04:01 am
imadangman wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 21:39 pm
Tucker is a free agent after the season they were not going to sign him long-term.
Houston is a smart org. (I hate) That's what smart orgs do. I hope we get smart. We have 4 guys who are walking at seasons end. Yet people want to hang on to them so we can chase a 3rd wildcard.
+1 nice take.
+2