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I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 03 Jun 2025 22:09 pm
by Shady
Whatcha' think? Some dubious performances by Liberatore, Fedde and Pallante recently. Maybe Mikolas can be the stopper. I gotta see it to beieve it. McGreevy anyone? The division is slip sliding away.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 03 Jun 2025 22:20 pm
by JohnnyMO
We don’t agree often, but I’ve been saying the same thing. The offense is good enough to win. The pitching is not, despite a hot streak where a few guys were pitching over their heads.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 03 Jun 2025 22:23 pm
by Baseball Savant
The starting pitching could crate at any moment, it's started to crack in last week.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 03 Jun 2025 22:26 pm
by Cusecards
The rotation figures to look majorly different in 2026.
Libby has been impressive.
We’ll see some younger guys getting their chances as the season progresses and into ST.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 03 Jun 2025 22:26 pm
by ClassicO
Shady wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:09 pm
The division is slip sliding away.
The division was never there. That's why the hue and cry to "sell" has been there for all but the "squirrel" alarmists. You, my son, are a "squirrel" alarmist reacting to anything that looks good in the moment.
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And the SP was always suspect. Only the fools who think baseball is a marathon, not a race, thought otherwise.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 03 Jun 2025 22:40 pm
by BrockFloodMaris
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:23 pm
The starting pitching could crate at any moment, it's started to crack in last week.
I try to watch other MLB games whenever I can. When I compare the Cards pitchers to those of the best teams, based on velocity, late break, command and deception, our guys don’t fair very well, except for Helsley. Which makes me think that our recent success is an unsustainable blip, and that our pitchers will likely revert to the mean.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 03 Jun 2025 23:23 pm
by An Old Friend
BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:40 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:23 pm
The starting pitching could crate at any moment, it's started to crack in last week.
I try to watch other MLB games whenever I can. When I compare the Cards pitchers to those of the best teams, based on velocity, late break, command and deception, our guys don’t fair very well, except for Helsley. Which makes me think that our recent success is an unsustainable blip, and that our pitchers will likely revert to the mean.
https://x.com/codifybaseball/status/192 ... bW4cOs6KJw
@CodifyBaseball wrote:
Swinging Strikes By Their Pitchers:
1,010 PHI
1,008 HOU
1,001 TOR
1,000 BOS
997 NYY
993 LAD
991 DET
984 MIN
967 ATL
966 CLE
959 ATH
948 NYM
941 CIN
931 AZ
924 SD
919 SF
908 PIT
904 SEA
903 MIL
900 TEX
896 WSH
893 LAA
891 CHC
886 KC
869 MIA
868 TB
866 CWS
853 COL
850 BAL
775 STL
5/27/25
I remarked at that time that the Cardinals had been surviving this with:
3rd lowest walk rate
3rd lowest HR rate
4th highest groundball rate
3rd lowest HR/FB rate
But it’s playing with fire not being able to miss bats.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 00:02 am
by blackinkbiz
Shady wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:09 pm
Whatcha' think? Some dubious performances by Liberatore, Fedde and Pallante recently. Maybe Mikolas can be the stopper. I gotta see it to beieve it. McGreevy anyone? The division is slip sliding away.
Based on assumptions that 90 wins would easily take the division, I thought the Cards could compete for the NLC with this staff--providing of, course, the kids hit. I think the hitting's on the right track.
But the Cubs look like a team of destiny. That, or they're in for a major fall.
Regardless, whether they're trying to win and/or give the kids "runway" it makes NO F'N SENSE for McG not to be starting in MLB.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 05:31 am
by Rojo Johnson
blackinkbiz wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 00:02 am
Shady wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:09 pm
Whatcha' think? Some dubious performances by Liberatore, Fedde and Pallante recently. Maybe Mikolas can be the stopper. I gotta see it to beieve it. McGreevy anyone? The division is slip sliding away.
Based on assumptions that 90 wins would easily take the division, I thought the Cards could compete for the NLC with this staff--providing of, course, the kids hit. I think the hitting's on the right track.
But the Cubs look like a team of destiny. That, or they're in for a major fall.
Regardless, whether they're trying to win and/or give the kids "runway" it makes NO (Ef'En) SENSE for McG not to be starting in MLB.
”Runway”. Moespeak. Glad we’re almost done with that. Vomit inducing.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 06:22 am
by ecleme22
Shady wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:09 pm
Whatcha' think? Some dubious performances by Liberatore, Fedde and Pallante recently. Maybe Mikolas can be the stopper. I gotta see it to beieve it. McGreevy anyone? The division is slip sliding away.
Fedde: 6IP, 2 ER.
Dubious?
You also said the Cards were in trouble because of one bad start by Gray in ST.
You say a lot…
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 08:06 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Starting pitching across baseball is fairly subject one you clear each teams 1-2.
We have five guys who can dazzle you with brilliance or baffle you with bull [shirt].
They can give you seven or four.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 10:12 am
by Shady
Roby goes tonight. Hoping for another brilliant outing. He's been outstanding of late. Has his pathway been accelerated to the majors?
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 04 Jun 2025 10:16 am
by Futuregm2
An Old Friend wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 23:23 pm
BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:40 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:23 pm
The starting pitching could crate at any moment, it's started to crack in last week.
I try to watch other MLB games whenever I can. When I compare the Cards pitchers to those of the best teams, based on velocity, late break, command and deception, our guys don’t fair very well, except for Helsley. Which makes me think that our recent success is an unsustainable blip, and that our pitchers will likely revert to the mean.
https://x.com/codifybaseball/status/192 ... bW4cOs6KJw
@CodifyBaseball wrote:
Swinging Strikes By Their Pitchers:
1,010 PHI
1,008 HOU
1,001 TOR
1,000 BOS
997 NYY
993 LAD
991 DET
984 MIN
967 ATL
966 CLE
959 ATH
948 NYM
941 CIN
931 AZ
924 SD
919 SF
908 PIT
904 SEA
903 MIL
900 TEX
896 WSH
893 LAA
891 CHC
886 KC
869 MIA
868 TB
866 CWS
853 COL
850 BAL
775 STL
5/27/25
I remarked at that time that the Cardinals had been surviving this with:
3rd lowest walk rate
3rd lowest HR rate
4th highest groundball rate
3rd lowest HR/FB rate
But it’s playing with fire not being able to miss bats.
So trade Fedde, Mikolas, Matz, and Burleson. They are the 4 lowest Cardinals in swinging strikes %.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 11:02 am
by hullie
Shady wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:12 am
Roby goes tonight. Hoping for another brilliant outing. He's been outstanding of late. Has his pathway been accelerated to the majors?
You can cool it on Roby after last night hotshot
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 11:37 am
by Shady
hullie wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025 11:02 am
Shady wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:12 am
Roby goes tonight. Hoping for another brilliant outing. He's been outstanding of late. Has his pathway been accelerated to the majors?
You can cool it on Roby after last night hotshot
Are you brain dead? He gave up 1 run in 6 and 2/3 innings. 8 strikeouts. 1 walk, 4 hits. Be nice if more St Louis Cardinals' starting pitchers had a line like that, consistently. I liked the way Roby didn't panic after giving up a lead off HR. You probably don't get it why that's essential for successful pitchers.
Re: I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect
Posted: 05 Jun 2025 13:17 pm
by HorseTrader
Shady wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025 22:09 pm
Whatcha' think? Some dubious performances by Liberatore, Fedde and Pallante recently. Maybe Mikolas can be the stopper. I gotta see it to beieve it. McGreevy anyone? The division is slip sliding away.
" I mentioned a long time ago the starting pitching is suspect" so did 100 million other people. You weren't close to being the 1st. Don't take my word for, it as Melville