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rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 12:37 pm I've been saying it now for two years.

MAKE HIM A CLOSER!

Helsey is gone no later than seasons end.

Hence has an elite upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, he's got a D. Williams like makeup.

CLOSER is his future, not starter since he can't stay healthy handling that kind of a load.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 13:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 12:37 pm I've been saying it now for two years.

MAKE HIM A CLOSER!

Helsey is gone no later than seasons end.

Hence has an elite upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, he's got a D. Williams like makeup.

CLOSER is his future, not starter since he can't stay healthy handling that kind of a load.

Hence needs to have a conversation with Steve Carlton about how to improve his strength and his motion. I remember seeing Carlton in the dugout with a barrel of sand and he would work his pitching hand down into that sand to the bottom.

I saw a video of Goose Gossage who said today's pitchers are doing what a computer tells them to do instead of having a full windup and that's a reason for all the injuries.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 13:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 12:37 pm I've been saying it now for two years.

MAKE HIM A CLOSER!

Helsey is gone no later than seasons end.

Hence has an elite upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, he's got a D. Williams like makeup.

CLOSER is his future, not starter since he can't stay healthy handling that kind of a load.

Hence needs to have a conversation with Steve Carlton about how to improve his strength and his motion. I remember seeing Carlton in the dugout with a barrel of sand and he would work his pitching hand down into that sand to the bottom.

I saw a video of Goose Gossage who said today's pitchers are doing what a computer tells them to do instead of having a full windup and that's a reason for all the injuries.

Pink Freud wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 14:04 pm Can someone please explain why we see so many threads here about Tink Hence? Would any of them appear were his first name Bob?

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 13:18 pm
I saw a video of Goose Gossage who said today's pitchers are doing what a computer tells them to do instead of having a full windup and that's a reason for all the injuries.

Pink Freud wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 14:20 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 13:18 pm
I saw a video of Goose Gossage who said today's pitchers are doing what a computer tells them to do instead of having a full windup and that's a reason for all the injuries.

Today's pitchers attend highly-touted "pitching labs" with computerized depictions of their body, arm motions, and maximum torque. Decades ago pitching coaches got away from full windups because there were too many moving parts to precisely and exactly repeat with every pitch, as more attention was paid to location than velocity. Obviously, that pendulum has swung back, but now with more compact deliveries.

But that's one reason I always enjoy seeing Jack Flaherty pitch, because it is an old-fashioned windup that seems to permit a free 'n easy delivery maximizing his hips and legs to provide the power, which is why Nolan Ryan was able to throw bullets for 26 years, and how catcher Norm Sherry instructed Sandy Koufax to go from a flamethrowing wild man to the best pitcher I ever saw over four straight seasons.

I was such a pitching geek in my youth that for my games at Hickey Park in the Baden Youth Association, I adopted dozens of MLB pitchers' windups I'd seen on TV; some of them were better for fastballs (Gibson, Maloney, McLain) ; some for breaking pitches (Radatz, Lonborg, Bunning). I kept the same gig up into my late 40s for fuzzball games with friends, using Derek Lowe's windup and delivery for killer sliders, sinkers, and cut fastballs.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 13:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 13:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 12:37 pm I've been saying it now for two years.

MAKE HIM A CLOSER!

Helsey is gone no later than seasons end.

Hence has an elite upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, he's got a D. Williams like makeup.

CLOSER is his future, not starter since he can't stay healthy handling that kind of a load.

Hence needs to have a conversation with Steve Carlton about how to improve his strength and his motion. I remember seeing Carlton in the dugout with a barrel of sand and he would work his pitching hand down into that sand to the bottom.

I saw a video of Goose Gossage who said today's pitchers are doing what a computer tells them to do instead of having a full windup and that's a reason for all the injuries.

I remember that too but it actually was rice SM, not sand.

I tried it in college, here's how it works:

https://rosstraining.com/blog/2010/09/h ... ce-bucket/

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 14:50 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 13:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 13:18 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 12:37 pm I've been saying it now for two years.

MAKE HIM A CLOSER!

Helsey is gone no later than seasons end.

Hence has an elite upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, he's got a D. Williams like makeup.

CLOSER is his future, not starter since he can't stay healthy handling that kind of a load.

Hence needs to have a conversation with Steve Carlton about how to improve his strength and his motion. I remember seeing Carlton in the dugout with a barrel of sand and he would work his pitching hand down into that sand to the bottom.

I saw a video of Goose Gossage who said today's pitchers are doing what a computer tells them to do instead of having a full windup and that's a reason for all the injuries.

I remember that too but it actually was rice SM, not sand.

I tried it in college, here's how it works:

https://rosstraining.com/blog/2010/09/h ... ce-bucket/

Cool. Brown rice or white?

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 12:34 pm It could very well turn out that an inning or two at a time may be what his workload turns out to be.

tyoung12290 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 12:29 pm Got a start with FCL cardinals today and only pitched one inning. Not sure what to make of it. Went 2.1 5 days ago with palm beach.