Willson Contreras

[ggnoobs]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

[ecleme22]

Look up the name Sean Murphy.

While WC hasn’t been an Ironman, catchers usually don’t have the crazy durability like Yadi

[OldRed]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

And at 26 years old in 2018 he only started 123 games.

[Futuregm2]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

Please don’t ever use Willy C and TO in the same reference again.

TO has played in 100+ games 2 times in his career. And he’s a LFer.

Willy C has 6 100+ game seasons in his career. Would have been 7 consecutive if not for 2020 when he played 57 of 60 games. And he was a catcher, which is the toughest position on the field. He’s played in 55 of our 59 games this season.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

And at 26 years old in 2018 he only started 123 games.

First thought is the catching part; second thought, after this year we will know. Part of the endurance assessment.

[ggnoobs]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

And at 26 years old in 2018 he only started 123 games.

He's only eclipsed 120 games 3 times in his 10 year career. Of course throw out COVID year and throw out this year and that's 3/8, still not great.

[Futuregm2]

Also the true Paper Tyler disease is not only the lack of games played, but the box of chocolates experience that he brings. You never know what you’re going to get.

He has 3 seasons with an OPS+ above 100. In an 8 year career.

Last year he had an .847 OPS. This year he’s at .605. Year before last year he was at .715.

You’re pretty much guaranteed to be disappointed in some way, shape, or form with him.

[ggnoobs]

The most comparable player to Willson may be JT Realmuto. Both 3 time all stars and catchers who have been in the league in the similar ERA.

Realmuto has failed to reach 400 at bats only once in a career that's 2 years longer so far. Been over 120 games every year of his career besides last year (not counting COVID)

Willson doesn't stack up to Realmuto's durability very well for an all star player.

[AnExParrot]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

And at 26 years old in 2018 he only started 123 games.

He's only eclipsed 120 games 3 times in his 10 year career. Of course throw out COVID year and throw out this year and that's 3/8, still not great.

You said, "I get it" then went on to prove you don't get it.

[ggnoobs]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

And at 26 years old in 2018 he only started 123 games.

He's only eclipsed 120 games 3 times in his 10 year career. Of course throw out COVID year and throw out this year and that's 3/8, still not great.

You said, "I get it" then went on to prove you don't get it.

See: JT Realmuto. My point is that even for a catcher he is not durable.

[rockondlouie]

And one of the reasons for the move from behind the plate was to reduce the potential for injury.

It's not fair to any catcher to bring up Yadi (2,137 games caught ) who was an absolutely freak of nature when it comes to being an Iron Man behind the plate.

While catching 739 games in his 10 year career WillyC put up an .831 OPS!

J. Mauer (Hall of Famer) caught 897 games in his 15 year career and put up an .889 OPS while behind the plate.

If I'm not mistaken the Cubs intentionally limited his time behind the plate to keep him fresh and healthy given his elite bat, pretty sure he could've easily handled 130+ games back there is asked to.

[Futuregm2]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

And at 26 years old in 2018 he only started 123 games.

He's only eclipsed 120 games 3 times in his 10 year career. Of course throw out COVID year and throw out this year and that's 3/8, still not great.

You said, "I get it" then went on to prove you don't get it.

See: JT Realmuto. My point is that even for a catcher he is not durable.

Thus the reason that they moved him off of catcher. And he’s played in 55 of 59 games this season. Catcher is a challenging position to play.

[ggnoobs]

And one of the reasons for the move from behind the plate was to reduce the potential for injury.

It's not fair to any catcher to bring up Yadi (2,137 games caught ) who was an absolutely freak of nature when it comes to being an Iron Man behind the plate.

While catching 739 games in his 10 year career WillyC put up an .831 OPS!

J. Mauer (Hall of Famer) caught 897 games in his 15 year career and put up an .889 OPS while behind the plate.

If I'm not mistaken the Cubs intentionally limited his time behind the plate to keep him fresh and healthy given his elite bat, pretty sure he could've easily handled 130+ games back there is asked to.

I hadn't heard this but this is good information and it makes sense.

[ecleme22]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

And at 26 years old in 2018 he only started 123 games.

At 26, Sean Murphy only started 104 games at catcher.


Let us also remember that 5 of Willson's first 6 seasons in the MLB, the DH didn't exist. So usually when catchers had an off day, they were completely off...

[OldRed]

I was just checking Willson's career stats at baseball reference and I couldn't believe what I saw. Does Willson have Paper Tyler Oneill disease?

I get it, he spent most of his career as a catcher. But career high in games is 138, actually the same as Oneills career high in games for a season. He's never reached 500 at bats in a season. He has only surpassed 400 at bats 4 times. I know Yadi is Yadi, but he did it 14 times. Does Willson have a reputation of being an often injured player? I never heard anything about him being injury prone, but he looks anything but durable.

And at 26 years old in 2018 he only started 123 games.

At 26, Sean Murphy only started 104 games at catcher.


Let us also remember that 5 of Willson's first 6 seasons in the MLB, the DH didn't exist. So usually when catchers had an off day, they were completely off...

I remember what was needed. I also wasn't comparing Contreras to any other catcher. Only stating stats.

[PadsFS07]

If I'm not mistaken the Cubs intentionally limited his time behind the plate to keep him fresh and healthy given his elite bat, pretty sure he could've easily handled 130+ games back there is asked to.

They did and didn't have the DH at that time either. They actually went out of their way to keep a solid second catcher on the roster when Contreras was there. It actually started with Miguel Montero and David Ross. Then, Contreras was behind Montero and Ross in 2016. Then he became CA1 in 2017, and they signed Alex Avila. They had Caratini for a couple years, then signed Chirinos, then Gomes to be the backup.