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Let us hope the cards make the playoffs and Libby pitches the cardinals to the World Series like Randy hit the rays to the World Series. I think it’s just a shame they took this long to give him a legitimate shot at starting in the majors instead of jerking him aroundJobu's Rum wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:36 pm I know I know only late May but what an absolute 180, he figured it out and is still only 25.
May need to be one of the ones to get an ext. and along with Winn and Herrera before they get too pricey.
People act like Randy isn't keeping pace this year, I find that odd. He has a 1.7 bWAR and a OPS+ 126 or if you prefer wRC+ 130. I understand he's not a superstar, but he is a 150 game starter year after year. That's not easy to do in MLB.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:00 pmLet us hope the cards make the playoffs and Libby pitches the cardinals to the World Series like Randy hit the rays to the World Series. I think it’s just a shame they took this long to give him a legitimate shot at starting in the majors instead of jerking him aroundJobu's Rum wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:36 pm I know I know only late May but what an absolute 180, he figured it out and is still only 25.
May need to be one of the ones to get an ext. and along with Winn and Herrera before they get too pricey.
What I worry about with Libby is him hitting an innings wall.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:29 pmPeople act like Randy isn't keeping pace this year, I find that odd. He has a 1.7 bWAR and a OPS+ 126 or if you prefer wRC+ 130. I understand he's not a superstar, but he is a 150 game starter year after year. That's not easy to do in MLB.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:00 pmLet us hope the cards make the playoffs and Libby pitches the cardinals to the World Series like Randy hit the rays to the World Series. I think it’s just a shame they took this long to give him a legitimate shot at starting in the majors instead of jerking him aroundJobu's Rum wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:36 pm I know I know only late May but what an absolute 180, he figured it out and is still only 25.
May need to be one of the ones to get an ext. and along with Winn and Herrera before they get too pricey.
With that said, if he can keep this pace going (Libby) it'll start to look A LOT better and that would be a very good thing.
I don't. Libby has matured formidably. His command is so much better than even last year and eons better than 2 or3 years ago. He's only in his 2d ML season (re: contract control) leaving him 4 more after 2025. He is jelling at a critical time as the Redbirds break out from their caterpillar doldrums of '23-24. This year and the next 4 (plus?) years should dramatically benefit the Cardinals.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:00 pmLet us hope the cards make the playoffs and Libby pitches the cardinals to the World Series like Randy hit the rays to the World Series. I think it’s just a shame they took this long to give him a legitimate shot at starting in the majors instead of jerking him aroundJobu's Rum wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:36 pm I know I know only late May but what an absolute 180, he figured it out and is still only 25.
May need to be one of the ones to get an ext. and along with Winn and Herrera before they get too pricey.
Spoken like someone who understands this campaign is very very long.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:43 pmWhat I worry about with Libby is him hitting an innings wall.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:29 pmPeople act like Randy isn't keeping pace this year, I find that odd. He has a 1.7 bWAR and a OPS+ 126 or if you prefer wRC+ 130. I understand he's not a superstar, but he is a 150 game starter year after year. That's not easy to do in MLB.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:00 pmLet us hope the cards make the playoffs and Libby pitches the cardinals to the World Series like Randy hit the rays to the World Series. I think it’s just a shame they took this long to give him a legitimate shot at starting in the majors instead of jerking him aroundJobu's Rum wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:36 pm I know I know only late May but what an absolute 180, he figured it out and is still only 25.
May need to be one of the ones to get an ext. and along with Winn and Herrera before they get too pricey.
With that said, if he can keep this pace going (Libby) it'll start to look A LOT better and that would be a very good thing.
Good post, in fact the best trades are ones were you build win wins. People will want to continue to trade with you, but if you are consistently dumping trash in trades teams will eventually stop wanting to trade with you.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:51 pm Isn't this how many trades work, though? You trade one guy who is good already for a guy who is is a few years off from being good? You don't always have to completely rip off the team you trade the good player for.
I mean, I remember Adam had some initial rough years in the minors with the Cardinals and JD Drew was a really (drat) good player who they traded for him.
This is a valid concern. I believe that at some point it might be good to introduce McGreevy in his place and give Libby a breather.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:46 pmSpoken like someone who understands this campaign is very very long.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:43 pmWhat I worry about with Libby is him hitting an innings wall.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:29 pmPeople act like Randy isn't keeping pace this year, I find that odd. He has a 1.7 bWAR and a OPS+ 126 or if you prefer wRC+ 130. I understand he's not a superstar, but he is a 150 game starter year after year. That's not easy to do in MLB.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:00 pmLet us hope the cards make the playoffs and Libby pitches the cardinals to the World Series like Randy hit the rays to the World Series. I think it’s just a shame they took this long to give him a legitimate shot at starting in the majors instead of jerking him aroundJobu's Rum wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:36 pm I know I know only late May but what an absolute 180, he figured it out and is still only 25.
May need to be one of the ones to get an ext. and along with Winn and Herrera before they get too pricey.
With that said, if he can keep this pace going (Libby) it'll start to look A LOT better and that would be a very good thing.
Absolutely. Instead of turning him into the next Soroka or Strider, manage his innings with other pitchers, the one whom you named would be excellent, IMO.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:56 pmThis is a valid concern. I believe that at some point it might be good to introduce McGreevy in his place and give Libby a breather.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:46 pmSpoken like someone who understands this campaign is very very long.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:43 pmWhat I worry about with Libby is him hitting an innings wall.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:29 pmPeople act like Randy isn't keeping pace this year, I find that odd. He has a 1.7 bWAR and a OPS+ 126 or if you prefer wRC+ 130. I understand he's not a superstar, but he is a 150 game starter year after year. That's not easy to do in MLB.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:00 pmLet us hope the cards make the playoffs and Libby pitches the cardinals to the World Series like Randy hit the rays to the World Series. I think it’s just a shame they took this long to give him a legitimate shot at starting in the majors instead of jerking him aroundJobu's Rum wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:36 pm I know I know only late May but what an absolute 180, he figured it out and is still only 25.
May need to be one of the ones to get an ext. and along with Winn and Herrera before they get too pricey.
With that said, if he can keep this pace going (Libby) it'll start to look A LOT better and that would be a very good thing.
Didn't Oli manage to this today? He took him out after 88 pitches? He didn't labor at all. It was really 88 very easy looking pitches. He did not have a lot of high stress work. Given that his WHIP is around 1.0, it lowers the stress. While it is a long season, they appear to be monitoring his pitch count and stress level quite well. He is on track to pitch around 180 innings, which is a lot by today's standards. But, I wouldn't mess with success at this point. Give him a break at the all star break. Maybe take him out early in 1 or 2 starts, in particular if they build a big lead. If he gets in trouble in a game and starts building a pitch count, then yank him early. I think that would be a better way to manage his innings rather than skipping starts.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 21:04 pmAbsolutely. Instead of turning him into the next Soroka or Strider, manage his innings with other pitchers, the one whom you named would be excellent, IMO.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:56 pmThis is a valid concern. I believe that at some point it might be good to introduce McGreevy in his place and give Libby a breather.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:46 pmSpoken like someone who understands this campaign is very very long.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:43 pmWhat I worry about with Libby is him hitting an innings wall.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:29 pmPeople act like Randy isn't keeping pace this year, I find that odd. He has a 1.7 bWAR and a OPS+ 126 or if you prefer wRC+ 130. I understand he's not a superstar, but he is a 150 game starter year after year. That's not easy to do in MLB.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑24 May 2025 20:00 pmLet us hope the cards make the playoffs and Libby pitches the cardinals to the World Series like Randy hit the rays to the World Series. I think it’s just a shame they took this long to give him a legitimate shot at starting in the majors instead of jerking him aroundJobu's Rum wrote: ↑24 May 2025 19:36 pm I know I know only late May but what an absolute 180, he figured it out and is still only 25.
May need to be one of the ones to get an ext. and along with Winn and Herrera before they get too pricey.
With that said, if he can keep this pace going (Libby) it'll start to look A LOT better and that would be a very good thing.