'Once you beat Goliath , you have more faith in yourself '

[ramfandan]

that quote from P Andre Pallante as cited in Goold's Post article
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/profess ... 58e3c.html

Pallante referring to competing well vs. the team with the best record in baseball. The Cards clobbered the Tigers in the opener, lost a close one 2-1 on Tues. , lost by 5-1 on Wed. Many wondered if the best team in the MLB would come into Busch and roll over the Cardinals in a 3-game sweep .


Victor Scott “This team can be rolled out literally against anybody and perform,” Scott echoed. “That brings us confidence as well. ‘See it to believe it’ is a real thing. Once you see results in something, you continue to believe.”

The proof is in the pudding as they say . Will the Cards continue to have faith in themselves and play winning baseball going forward ?
After any good winning streak , at some point there will be a slump . The trick is have your winning streaks go longer and keep the slumps shorter.

Go Cards !

[Monsieur De Treville]

Need to take 2/3 from the D-Backs.

Another series defeat would be somewhat deflating...IMHO.

[ramfandan]

Need to take 2/3 from the D-Backs.

Another series defeat would be somewhat deflating...IMHO.

Yes, a 2 out of 3 vs. D'Backs would be uplifting . The Cards have Mikolas, Libby, and Gray in the series vs. Gallen, Kelly , and Pfaadt
As usual , timely hitting is important. Keep playing very good defense too.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Need to take 2/3 from the D-Backs.

Another series defeat would be somewhat deflating...IMHO.

Agreed. Can't win them all, disappointed we lost to the Tigers, but not overly upset. Good team with 30+ wins. I hate to say it but losing to a team like them doesn't bother me as much as losing to the losers, like Pirates etc...

With that said and even though the D Backs have a winning record they aren't as good as Detroit, we should win this series.

[scoutyjones2]

They didn't beat Goliath though

[blackinkbiz]

Need to take 2/3 from the D-Backs.

Another series defeat would be somewhat deflating...IMHO.

Agreed. Can't win them all, disappointed we lost to the Tigers, but not overly upset. Good team with 30+ wins. I hate to say it but losing to a team like them doesn't bother me as much as losing to the losers, like Pirates etc...

With that said and even though the D Backs have a winning record they aren't as good as Detroit, we should win this series.

It's more the way and when they lost. How do you drop 2 bullpen games against the same team in 2.5 day span? Additionally, yesterday was the highest attendance non-weekend game I've seen all season, at least by my naked eye count.

Long story short, you show up big and win the series against the Snakes, all is well, stay on the right track and hope the Cubs fall back to earth and the NLC might be a target. They drop the series, it'll be impossible not to feel the ghosts of 23 and 24 and that attendance is gonna drop right back to less than 3 million projections.

Also, as a guy who can't stand the majority of Oli's tenure, he's done a much better and dare I say, a satisfactory job thus far. So please don't EVER put Burly, Nado, Walker, and Gorman not only in the same lineup ever again, but DEF not in sequence.

[rockondlouie]

I like this teams attitude and team chemistry.

May not lead them to the playoffs this season but the building blocks are there for Bloom & Cerfolio to tweak the roster and build a consistent winner.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Need to take 2/3 from the D-Backs.

Another series defeat would be somewhat deflating...IMHO.

Totally agree. I know it’s still early but counter punching the DBacks would show a lot of heart and mental fortitude. Like when Fury got up after Deontay Wilder flattened him late in the match then proceeded to take it to him. Any boxing fans here? Ok, wrong forum lol.

[12xu]

They didn't beat Goliath though

They didn't even play Goliath. I do not consider Detroit to be the best team in MLB, regardless of their current record. They have a very strong starting pitching team, with Skubal, Jobe, Mize and Olson when they recover from injury, and our old friend Flaherty. Their relievers look good, and Hinch knows how to handle the bullpen.

Offensively they have a lot of LH batters. Greene is great, but he can be neutralized by LH pitching. He is batting .169 vs LH this year. Carpenter has 10 HR already this year, but he is batting .171 vs LH. LHH McKinstry is having a nice start to the year, but he is a .228 batter in his 6 MLB career. SS Trey Sweeney is also LH and has only played 84 games in MLB with a .232 avg. LH swinger Colt Keith has 17 HR in his career, but only 1 vs LH pitchers.

Their RHH starters include the revived and dangerous Torkelson and Gleyber Torres. Javier Baez bats RH and is currently having a comeback season after being horrible for the last 3 years in Detroit. Good pitchers will simply not throw him strikes, making him chase and swing at pitches way out of the strike zone, which has always been his weakness.

IMO, when the Tigers face a team with strong LH starting pitching, their offense should be controlled. I wish the Cards could have used Liberatore against them, but that did not line up. If their pitching can hold down the other teams' scoring, they might win anyway, but I do not believe they are on the same level as the Dodgers and Yankees.....yet.

Their schedule so far has been favorable. They have swept the struggling Orioles, White Sox, and Red Sox all at home. They swept the hapless Rockies in Denver. They also went 3-1 at home vs KC. So there you have 15 of their current 33 wins. Their record vs all other teams is 18-16. They have a good manager and they should win their division, but are far from a "Goliath" at this juncture.

[illiniriles]

Agree 110% with all y'all. Played pretty well against the Tigers. Could, maybe should have taken 2 of 3. This next series against the Dbacks is big. Keep up the confidence and good play. But just take the games one at a time. I'd love a sweep. But can't do that until you win the first one.

[scoutyjones2]

They didn't beat Goliath though

They didn't even play Goliath. I do not consider Detroit to be the best team in MLB, regardless of their current record. They have a very strong starting pitching team, with Skubal, Jobe, Mize and Olson when they recover from injury, and our old friend Flaherty. Their relievers look good, and Hinch knows how to handle the bullpen.

Offensively they have a lot of LH batters. Greene is great, but he can be neutralized by LH pitching. He is batting .169 vs LH this year. Carpenter has 10 HR already this year, but he is batting .171 vs LH. LHH McKinstry is having a nice start to the year, but he is a .228 batter in his 6 MLB career. SS Trey Sweeney is also LH and has only played 84 games in MLB with a .232 avg. LH swinger Colt Keith has 17 HR in his career, but only 1 vs LH pitchers.

Their RHH starters include the revived and dangerous Torkelson and Gleyber Torres. Javier Baez bats RH and is currently having a comeback season after being horrible for the last 3 years in Detroit. Good pitchers will simply not throw him strikes, making him chase and swing at pitches way out of the strike zone, which has always been his weakness.

IMO, when the Tigers face a team with strong LH starting pitching, their offense should be controlled. I wish the Cards could have used Liberatore against them, but that did not line up. If their pitching can hold down the other teams' scoring, they might win anyway, but I do not believe they are on the same level as the Dodgers and Yankees.....yet.

Their schedule so far has been favorable. They have swept the struggling Orioles, White Sox, and Red Sox all at home. They swept the hapless Rockies in Denver. They also went 3-1 at home vs KC. So there you have 15 of their current 33 wins. Their record vs all other teams is 18-16. They have a good manager and they should win their division, but are far from a "Goliath" at this juncture.

I didn't call them Goliath, the thread starter did. But, they are the best team in baseball as they have the best record. They were a playoff team last year and very young. Can hit and pitch.

You may think otherwise, I just noted the thread topic that the Cards didn't beat Goliath.

[JDW]

Did David later on ever beat another Giant?

[scoutyjones2]

They didn't beat Goliath though

They didn't even play Goliath. I do not consider Detroit to be the best team in MLB, regardless of their current record. They have a very strong starting pitching team, with Skubal, Jobe, Mize and Olson when they recover from injury, and our old friend Flaherty. Their relievers look good, and Hinch knows how to handle the bullpen.

Offensively they have a lot of LH batters. Greene is great, but he can be neutralized by LH pitching. He is batting .169 vs LH this year. Carpenter has 10 HR already this year, but he is batting .171 vs LH. LHH McKinstry is having a nice start to the year, but he is a .228 batter in his 6 MLB career. SS Trey Sweeney is also LH and has only played 84 games in MLB with a .232 avg. LH swinger Colt Keith has 17 HR in his career, but only 1 vs LH pitchers.

Their RHH starters include the revived and dangerous Torkelson and Gleyber Torres. Javier Baez bats RH and is currently having a comeback season after being horrible for the last 3 years in Detroit. Good pitchers will simply not throw him strikes, making him chase and swing at pitches way out of the strike zone, which has always been his weakness.

IMO, when the Tigers face a team with strong LH starting pitching, their offense should be controlled. I wish the Cards could have used Liberatore against them, but that did not line up. If their pitching can hold down the other teams' scoring, they might win anyway, but I do not believe they are on the same level as the Dodgers and Yankees.....yet.

Their schedule so far has been favorable. They have swept the struggling Orioles, White Sox, and Red Sox all at home. They swept the hapless Rockies in Denver. They also went 3-1 at home vs KC. So there you have 15 of their current 33 wins. Their record vs all other teams is 18-16. They have a good manager and they should win their division, but are far from a "Goliath" at this juncture.

FYI, of they play 500 ball over their next 112...they end with 89 wins. Guarantee they end with 90+ wins

They played the Yankees, Seattle, and San Diego, Boston , Minny and Houston.

[ramfandan]

Did David later on ever beat another Giant?

I don't believe David he ever did face another Giant but think he did face a Dodger and D'Back

[ramfandan]

They didn't beat Goliath though

They didn't even play Goliath. I do not consider Detroit to be the best team in MLB, regardless of their current record. They have a very strong starting pitching team, with Skubal, Jobe, Mize and Olson when they recover from injury, and our old friend Flaherty. Their relievers look good, and Hinch knows how to handle the bullpen.

Offensively they have a lot of LH batters. Greene is great, but he can be neutralized by LH pitching. He is batting .169 vs LH this year. Carpenter has 10 HR already this year, but he is batting .171 vs LH. LHH McKinstry is having a nice start to the year, but he is a .228 batter in his 6 MLB career. SS Trey Sweeney is also LH and has only played 84 games in MLB with a .232 avg. LH swinger Colt Keith has 17 HR in his career, but only 1 vs LH pitchers.

Their RHH starters include the revived and dangerous Torkelson and Gleyber Torres. Javier Baez bats RH and is currently having a comeback season after being horrible for the last 3 years in Detroit. Good pitchers will simply not throw him strikes, making him chase and swing at pitches way out of the strike zone, which has always been his weakness.

IMO, when the Tigers face a team with strong LH starting pitching, their offense should be controlled. I wish the Cards could have used Liberatore against them, but that did not line up. If their pitching can hold down the other teams' scoring, they might win anyway, but I do not believe they are on the same level as the Dodgers and Yankees.....yet.

Their schedule so far has been favorable. They have swept the struggling Orioles, White Sox, and Red Sox all at home. They swept the hapless Rockies in Denver. They also went 3-1 at home vs KC. So there you have 15 of their current 33 wins. Their record vs all other teams is 18-16. They have a good manager and they should win their division, but are far from a "Goliath" at this juncture.

I didn't call them Goliath, the thread starter did. But, they are the best team in baseball as they have the best record. They were a playoff team last year and very young. Can hit and pitch.

You may think otherwise, I just noted the thread topic that the Cards didn't beat Goliath.

There seems to be some confusion on who called them Goliath ..
Stated above ' I didn't call them Goliath, the thread starter did'
Well, I was the thread starter and I DID NOT call the Tigers Goliath either .

That quote in the title were the words of Andre Pallante from the Derrick Goold article in the Post .
Just wanted to set the record straight on the Goliath ... As they say , 'don't blame the messenger .. just repeating what Pallante said

[12xu]

My post was not intended to blame any forum member for calling the Tigers "Goliath". I was merely stating my opinion that they are not that kind of team yet. Pallante apparently considers them to be huge and intimidating, and he is a Big Leaguer, and I am not. They are young and may even improve as the season goes on, and if they proceed to win the WS championship this year, then I suppose I will have to admit I underestimated them.