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What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.

Melville wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:20 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.

Your second point may be one to watch as Wal Mart announced on national news that by end of month they will be raising prices due to the tariffs .
Possibly some of that increase would have gone to buying tix for a Cardinal game ? Who knows

An owner who strives for more than a fan’s wallet, Shady.

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

Melville wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:20 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.

Downtown is no more (bleep) than it was three years ago, when the stands were filled.

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:49 pm

Melville wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:20 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.

Downtown is no more (bleep) than it was three years ago, when the stands were filled.

Probably true.
But folks are less likely to put up with it when paying a 25% higher premium across the board.
The environment is part of the experience and when millions of people within driving distance of the stadium are struggling with the cost of living, they become less likely to part with financial resources.
DeWitt picked a terrible time to deliver an inferior product over the past few seasons - and even with the product possibly improving in the future, not all fans will return.

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

This club's recent performance will bring them back.

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

Bad premise. The best fans in baseball didn’t abandon their team. They abandoned an owner who that stopped investing in his product and an incompetent POBO.

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:18 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

Bad premise. The best fans in baseball didn’t abandon their team. They abandoned an owner who that stopped investing in his product and an incompetent POBO.

He knows that. They all know that. It’s being willfully obtuse at this point.

Melville wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:20 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.

Doesn’t that affect every city? Boston, KC etc aren’t as sparsely attended

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

TheJackBurton wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:59 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.

Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:18 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

Bad premise. The best fans in baseball didn’t abandon their team. They abandoned an owner who that stopped investing in his product and an incompetent POBO.

Ownership cut as much as possible and tried for much more, then fielded a roster they didn’t even think could win, then tried selling the lame reset talking point, and how they will spend in the future, reminding fans of the dry-powder jargon nonsense.

Luckily for the fans, the players took matters into their own hands and played better. There are probably fans that want to come back to the park and support them, but they remember, and are not eager to re-stuff “DeWallet”. (Always hated that term but it fits in this context)

Well, look. I'm as happy as anyone about how this season has turned. That said, we're in the middle of May here and the Cardinals are 6 games over .500. A quarter of a season isn't going to erase a decade of (right or wrong) perceived failures all around as an organization.