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It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

To go to the Braves or Yanks?

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:49 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

To go to the Braves or Yanks?

I was thinking the Braves too given proximity to Jupiter and (should be) a contender.

My biggest fear?

As a huge middle finger to the fan base Mo gives him a one year extension!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

I thought he might be a 10-5 player but he has only a little over eight years service according to Fangraphs. So I suppose it's money that is the biggest obstacle to a trade.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

Good catch. This seems to verify that the new contract doesn't have one but the previous one did.
https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

Mort Gage wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 15:21 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

I thought he might be a 10-5 player but he has only a little over eight years service according to Fangraphs. So I suppose it's money that is the biggest obstacle to a trade.

Money. Turns 37 in August. Hasn't pitched very good in 3 years. Those are obstacles. Maybe in late July someone would take him for a couple months but I don't see the Cardinals getting much in return. No disrespect to Mikolas. He played a role in a few postseason Cardinals teams. It would be a salary dump and who replaces him? Rush a youngster like they did with Liberatore?

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

No he has a full NTC SM.


Katie Woo
@katiejwoo
I hear this frustration frequently and I understand this as well. But Mikolas has a full no-trade clause and Matz never really had much of a market.

CBSsports has a NADO back on the market? headline story:

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/has- ... cardinals/

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 20:19 pm

Mort Gage wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 15:21 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

I thought he might be a 10-5 player but he has only a little over eight years service according to Fangraphs. So I suppose it's money that is the biggest obstacle to a trade.

Money. Turns 37 in August. Hasn't pitched very good in 3 years. Those are obstacles. Maybe in late July someone would take him for a couple months but I don't see the Cardinals getting much in return. No disrespect to Mikolas. He played a role in a few postseason Cardinals teams. It would be a salary dump and who replaces him? Rush a youngster like they did with Liberatore?

What contender is going to sign Mikolas? How would signing possibly the worst starting pitcher in the league make a contender a better ball club? He's most likely a Cardinal until his contract is up. Then retirement? I would think so...

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 08:45 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

No he has a full NTC SM.


Katie Woo
@katiejwoo
I hear this frustration frequently and I understand this as well. But Mikolas has a full no-trade clause and Matz never really had much of a market.

Someone should ask Woo to explain why Cot's says the no trade clause wasn't included in the most recent contract.

slimjay63801 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 09:15 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 20:19 pm

Mort Gage wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 15:21 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

I thought he might be a 10-5 player but he has only a little over eight years service according to Fangraphs. So I suppose it's money that is the biggest obstacle to a trade.

Money. Turns 37 in August. Hasn't pitched very good in 3 years. Those are obstacles. Maybe in late July someone would take him for a couple months but I don't see the Cardinals getting much in return. No disrespect to Mikolas. He played a role in a few postseason Cardinals teams. It would be a salary dump and who replaces him? Rush a youngster like they did with Liberatore?

What contender is going to sign Mikolas? How would signing possibly the worst starting pitcher in the league make a contender a better ball club? He's most likely a Cardinal until his contract is up. Then retirement? I would think so...

Good question. Possibly a team with injuries to starting pitchers who needs a guy who will take the ball every 5th game. It's unlikely but not completely implausible.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 10:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 08:45 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

No he has a full NTC SM.


Katie Woo
@katiejwoo
I hear this frustration frequently and I understand this as well. But Mikolas has a full no-trade clause and Matz never really had much of a market.

Someone should ask Woo to explain why Cot's says the no trade clause wasn't included in the most recent contract.

I think the confusion comes from the original 2020-2023 contract extension S.M.

The new two year extension was added to the final year (2023) of that deal and the NTC came along w/it until it expires.

I asked A.I., it also listed Mikolas:

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The St. Louis Cardinals have four players with full no-trade clauses: Nolan Arenado, Sonny Gray, Willson Contreras, and Miles Mikolas. These clauses mean they have the final say on any trade involving them.

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

My thoughts are that I could not care less about the team saving money on any of those soon to be FA's

The second thought is what do you really expect in return? very little is my thought and most important who are the SP's besides
McGreevy to take Miles spot will? the line is short. Miles might have as much value to those prospects in ensuring a controlled
timeline od development as any money placed in Bills wallet.

Matz, Fedde, maybe Gray if he waves his NTC to me are the chips. IF even one is dealt you probably have a use for Miles.
Be nice, we can all name a use for Miles.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 10:46 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 10:13 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 08:45 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 14:46 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:13 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025 13:12 pm It’s too much to expect him to do well for too long, but just well enough to get rid of him (eating some salary), for anything really.

Fedde ($7.5M), Miko ($17.7M), Nado ($27M net, but $22M and $15M net in ‘26-27)and Helsley ($8.5M) all need to be moved.

All but Nado are FAs next year and won’t be resigned in the new plan so trade deadline ought to be interesting.

100%

But sadly CO Mikolas has got that NTC and I doubt he'd waive it.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/c ... cardinals/

If I read this correctly his no trade deal expired in 2023. It doesn't appear he currently has a no trade deal as part of his contract.

No he has a full NTC SM.


Katie Woo
@katiejwoo
I hear this frustration frequently and I understand this as well. But Mikolas has a full no-trade clause and Matz never really had much of a market.

Someone should ask Woo to explain why Cot's says the no trade clause wasn't included in the most recent contract.

I think the confusion comes from the original 2020-2023 contract extension S.M.

The new two year extension was added to the final year (2023) of that deal and the NTC came along w/it until it expires.

I asked A.I., it also listed Mikolas:

Search Labs | AI Overview
Learn more
The St. Louis Cardinals have four players with full no-trade clauses: Nolan Arenado, Sonny Gray, Willson Contreras, and Miles Mikolas. These clauses mean they have the final say on any trade involving them.

Please post the link.

Meanwhile

https://redbirdrants.com/the-cardinals- ... de-embargo
With Spring Training almost a month away, the Cardinals only have themselves to blame for a lack of trades, as their contract negotiations with previous free agents have made them victims of their own trade embargo. Three Cardinals starters have full no-trade clauses in their contracts, meaning that they can reject any accepted trades in order to stay with the team.