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Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
by Lloyd Braun
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 11:14 am
by Shady
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Munoz needs to return to help the bullpen.
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 11:23 am
by Absolut
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Isn’t 1-10 worse than 2-8?
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 11:42 am
by scoutyjones2
Absolut wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:23 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Isn’t 1-10 worse than 2-8?
Since...key word
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 12:01 pm
by Absolut
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:42 am
Absolut wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:23 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Isn’t 1-10 worse than 2-8?
Since...key word
That’s the point. 1-10 is worse than 2-8. So it’s actually not the worst since 97. It’s worse.
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 12:14 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
Absolut wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 12:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:42 am
Absolut wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:23 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Isn’t 1-10 worse than 2-8?
Since...key word
That’s the point. 1-10 is worse than 2-8. So it’s actually not the worst since 97. It’s worse.
Worse worst
Affect effect
Bye by buy
There their they’re
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 12:27 pm
by rockondlouie
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Good legwork LB
Cards also:
5 - 11 vs teams >.500
7 - 10 vs RHSP
2 - 4 vs LHSP
6 - 6 vs the AL
2 - 6 vs the NLE
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 12:46 pm
by scoutyjones2
Absolut wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 12:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:42 am
Absolut wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:23 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Isn’t 1-10 worse than 2-8?
Since...key word
That’s the point. 1-10 is worse than 2-8. So it’s actually not the worst since 97. It’s worse.
I can't help you understand...
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 12:56 pm
by Jatalk
Advice to the wise. Expect more of the same.
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 13:59 pm
by Cranny
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 12:56 pm
Advice to the wise. Expect more of the same.
If you go to a restaurant and something ugly is served to you, you don’t chew on it. So why chew on ugly stats here? Does it serve a purpose?
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 15:25 pm
by icon
Cranny wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 13:59 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 12:56 pm
Advice to the wise. Expect more of the same.
If you go to a restaurant and something ugly is served to you, you don’t chew on it. So why chew on ugly stats here? Does it serve a purpose?
Oh, I don't know. To help explain a 9-14 record? Just guessing. We know you don't like ugly truths.
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 15:30 pm
by WLTFE
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 12:56 pm
Advice to the wise. Expect more of the same.
I'm afraid you're right...the numbers are what they are and apparently some people have an issue with that...it would seem easier to ignore a thread that you don't like...but some people.....
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 15:45 pm
by Monsieur De Treville
Cranny wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 13:59 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 12:56 pm
Advice to the wise. Expect more of the same.
If you go to a restaurant and something ugly is served to you, you don’t chew on it. So why chew on ugly stats here? Does it serve a purpose?
This is a baseball chat forum, designed primarily to discuss Cardinal baseball...the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Sure, there are bright spots to discuss. Why...I myself started a thread on the emergence of Libby just the other day. I've also commented on the drastic improvement Walker has made in RF. However, I can't pretend that there is not, once again this season, more bad & ugly to discuss than good!
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 15:58 pm
by Bob Kunush
The biggest issue has been bullpen failure. I did not expect them to be as good as last year but I sure didn't expect them to be this bad.
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 18:09 pm
by Absolut
Herrera still leads the team in homers and is second in rbi.
Oh, and he only had 21 at bats.
Re: Ugly stats to chew on
Posted: 22 Apr 2025 18:36 pm
by BMoreCardsFan
Absolut wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 12:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:42 am
Absolut wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:23 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Apr 2025 11:12 am
Cardinals are 9-14. They've started 9-13 for three straight seasons since 2023.
The Cardinals are 1-10 on the road. It's the worst start since 1997 when they lost their first 6 games of the year away from home and started 2-8 on the road.
The Cardinals were 3-0, when Mikolas made his first start. They've gone 6-14 since.
The Cardinals are 0-4 when Mikolas starts and have been outscored 32-16. He has given up 15 earned runs in 17.2 innings and has failed to make it out of the 5th inning in 2 of his 4 starts. In 3 of his starts he has 10 swings and misses total combined. (2,4 and 4). That's almost impossible today. For context, the Mets' starter on Monday had 13 swings and misses in 5.1 innings. It takes Mikolas 4 games to get to that total.
Donovan is on pace for 225 hits and over 50 doubles. However... he has made bonehead plays in the field and on the bases (all late in games), that have contributed strongly to 4 of our 13 losses already. Even our best players suck fundamentally at the game of baseball, and contribute to our losses.
Ryan Fernandez has given up hits in 9 straight outings with as many walks as strikeouts. They are 2-7 in those 9 games.
Cardinals are 0-4 in 1 run games
Cardinals are 0-4 in extra inning games
Cardinals are 4-1 in blowout games with a +15 run differential. They are 5-13 in all other games. Do NOT dare ask the players or manager Oli Marmol to win a close game.
Isn’t 1-10 worse than 2-8?
Since...key word
That’s the point. 1-10 is worse than 2-8. So it’s actually not the worst since 97. It’s worse.
Worst since 1960, when they started 0-10 on the road, according to google.