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I understand the allure of trading Donovan but unless this is a strip down and rebuild we’re going to need solid experienced players and he’s under control for a few more years. Unless we get blown away by an offer, I’d hold onto him but wouldn’t hesitate to trade Nado, Matz, or Helsley for the right offer.tyoung12290 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 18:08 pm Honestly this has been the thing I’m most excited for. Matz helsley maton even Nado are keeping up their trade stock. I’d package them with some of our redundant pieces. Donovan is killing it and he’d be great if we were near ready as a dominant utility guy but I’d think about dangling him with Winn Wetherholt and not playing his positions.
Orioles have 3 guys in AAA with nowhere to play. Donovan would not be a fit there.Ron Gant's Bicep wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 18:27 pmI understand the allure of trading Donovan but unless this is a strip down and rebuild we’re going to need solid experienced players and he’s under control for a few more years. Unless we get blown away by an offer, I’d hold onto him but wouldn’t hesitate to trade Nado, Matz, or Helsley for the right offer.tyoung12290 wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 18:08 pm Honestly this has been the thing I’m most excited for. Matz helsley maton even Nado are keeping up their trade stock. I’d package them with some of our redundant pieces. Donovan is killing it and he’d be great if we were near ready as a dominant utility guy but I’d think about dangling him with Winn Wetherholt and not playing his positions.
The pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP
100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:42 pmThe pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP
If we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.2ninr wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:58 pm100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:42 pmThe pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP
they've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 21:08 pmIf we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.2ninr wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:58 pm100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:42 pmThe pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP
I disagree on the hot big. They get a lot of baserunners but it doesn’t translate to runs often enough. They need thunder in the MOTO. I like the team offense except corner OF or Corner IF power is lacking. They need a 30-40Hr 100RBI guyCarp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 21:19 pmthey've already shown they have the talent to hit big, pitch well and win at home. Sometimes the process of putting it altogether happens during a season, or when a manager is suddenly replaced...Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 21:08 pmIf we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.2ninr wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:58 pm100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:42 pmThe pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP
A full rebuild isn't necessary. While not ready for prime time, there are several good pieces on the team to work with. They have several key moves to make in the next 3 months. If they do a good job with that there is no reason they couldn't be competitive sustainably. If they will sort out the roster while also moving veterans, they can get a good return for that. There are players here teams will want. The best window to do that is this summer- not next offseason, or next year. If they wait past this deadline they will miss the moment.Cardinalologist wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 01:18 am if this is a full blown rebuilt which it should be, Gray is our biggest chip. I would try to get a haul of prospects for him. Also trade Nado, Fedde, Matz, and Helsey
I would be thrilled. And shocked.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 21:08 pmIf we suddenly start playing .500 on the road from May to July, then this becomes a playoff team, and maybe we need Helsley and Fedde in Oct.2ninr wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:58 pm100%. If Fedde and Helsley aren't traded at or before the deadline than FO is stupider than everybody thinks they are. That's pretty stupid. Honestly at that juncture, I think Bloom will be pretty much calling those shots. And I like to believe he's smart. I've read rumors that Bloom pushed for Libby to be a starter. They were going to send him to the bp. Anyone else hear that? Supposedly it was coming from Bernie. Strictly a rumor.Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025 19:42 pmThe pitcher and hitter are irrelevant. A team has a need and the Cardinals have SP they may want. Add a legit MOTO bat that they have multiple young ones and the Cardinals need one. Someone will end up stealing a player like Mayo for a mid tier SP