Logan Mailloux

[seattleblue]

Pro
1. Improvement is better than not improvement
2. As you say there's lots of projects going on so it's a throwaway season so of all times to learn, throwaway seasons at least it's not his fault

Con
1. we are talking about improvement from an abysmal baseline (see Kyrou, Jordan) and the improvement is still openly inadequate
2. more continued misjudgment from the front office on NHL defense in a situation where everyone correctly doubts them (they expected much better than whatever this still is)

100% couldn’t say it much better

thanks I almost referenced this summer's podcasting blues universe optimism that all homers jumped on. I was going to mention the Pronger thing because, while it's a hilarious self caricature of a homer comment to say that, I felt like it was in the rearview mirror

Nope, that is still around. dear lord, just a few posts up ... the pro Mailloux side just isn't trustworthy

Yea I feel the homer in people are causing them to see something that isn’t there. Yes Mailloux has improved because he almost literally had nowhere to go but up. He was statistically the worst player in the league for about half the season. Anyone who says this is the guy who the Blues thought they were getting is either lying to us or lying to themselves.

He did have a relatively strong rush later in the game last night where he skated out of trouble behind the net which was noticeable because I hadn’t seen much of it. It didn’t amount to anything but it was at least something.

Could he end up being a decent player? Sure. But this year has not done much to add any certainty to that in my opinion.

Serious question, but is it possible your initial assessment was completely out of scope for a 21 year old w/8 NHL Games under his belt in 2 years?

Maybe I just have more respect for Blues fans on this forum, because it’s been around for +20 years, has a lot of entrenched regulars, and very knowledgeable posters who are regularly commenting on the sport beyond the FanDuel broadcasts. However, when someone has to segregate their opinion from a mass of people by declaring them “Homers,” I start to question whether that person is actually capable of introspection.

- Logan Mailloux, 31st Pick in the 2021 Draft. 7th Defenseman taken.
- It’s WIDELY UNDERSTOOD Defenseman take a while to develop. We are constantly reminded of this when reflecting on Broberg, Mikola, Walman, Chris Pronger.
- Mailloux had 7 Games (16:12 ATOI) for MTL last year. No Playoffs, and was a -5
- Mailloux will turn 23 at the end of April.
- Broberg (Top 10 Pick, 3rd Defenseman) in Edmonton over that same age interval played in just 81 Games and was at 12:24 ATOI over the duration. Mailloux at 48, likely finishes around ~80.

No, I’m obviously not saying Mailloux is Broberg. However, I can’t rationalize what your expectations are and why you had them inflated in the first place? Finally, you can wave your finger at the “Homers,” but what I’m seeing from those rubes is optimism supported by factual data.

I think you’ve allowed the forum trolls to skew your mindset. It’s like this whole forum requires every RHD be measured to a former Top 5 pick, who was only available because the team couldn’t win games. Those things don’t grow on trees, and can’t simply be acquired for a 3rd Line Winger taken 17th Overall. Sometimes, we can assess the asset for exactly what it is without the self-flagellation.

Why single me out? I’m not the only one who is underwhelmed. Yes I do think that if Mailloux played for another team, people would not be saying he looks good.

You say that the facts support the optimism. What facts? His numbers are really bad. That’s a fact. 3 points, -23. He’s the 5th worst average game score in the league for the season on hockey stat cards. He is better than he was at the beginning, but that’s a very low bar. It’s not like he’s suddenly done a 180. Saying he is greatly improved is a subjective eye test judgment. People can have differing opinions though on that.

People keep coming back to the rookie thing like he’s the only rookie defensemen. Why is every rookie dman not a -23? He’s got 3 points too. I standby what I said that there is no way the Blues thought that’s what they’d get out of him. We’ve all seen rookie dmen. I in no way said I expected him to be some world beater but he’s barely been productive at all.

I have 100% pointed out things I like about him (I did in the very post you quoted). I’ve also said his size and decent skating ability give him some tools. I’ve said I’m not writing him off. Not sure why my opinion, based on 1000s of games watched, played and reffed at all different levels, is something skewed by trolls because it’s different from yours and not rosy about him….

Who would you like me to single out? ASSOGG or the guy with the Pietrangelo Doll? That’s the company of people who are actively chastising the trade based on the earliest of returns.

Every mistake is scorched over with napalm. Every faux pa by a 3rd Line, 22 year old Defenseman is magnified for the purpose of trolling. They rationalize that no one should feel optimistic that his play has gotten better and his minutes have increased, because he could only move up. Those who actually provide stats and case studies are just HOMERS.

So what people reference Chris Pronger’s development. No one is claiming he’s Chris MF Pronger. It’s all about perspective. You call them Homers to effectively thumb your nose at people for treating entertainment with optimism.

I have no idea why rooting for a young player on the blues to succeed on a Blues Forum is a bad thing. It’s one bright spot to cling to during a disappointing season.

The improvement is evident. Why are you fighting it by siding with the trolls who desire nothing but contrarian takes for the sheer purpose of antagonizing others for attention?

I'm sorry but this back and forth is garbage. I am personally more capable of introspection than most people you have or ever will meet, and I have used this term homers and I totally agree with Miami about it. And the very best you are capable of is flat statement that people who think as I do are "not capable of introspection." No. It's that you are incredibly lazy in the head. You came up with an impossible answer and stopped there. How unbelievably stupid that is.

Also you are using willful blindness to state falsely that nobody is using Pronger. There is a forum member who posts how he wants to massacre his political enemies with guns who did it all summer, and still does it. A different person, literally in this thread which is where this specific conversation was referencing: 'hockey Jedi' on page 2 of this thread invoked Pronger. He is not the only one, it happened, and you are the gaslighter for stating nobody is saying it. Yes, homers are saying it. Your end of the conversation here belongs in the dumpster.

[Harry S Deals]

The Blues wanted a young RHD prospect back, who else was available? i doubt the Blues were getting much more than what they did for Bolduc.

On the left side Neighbours, Holloway, Buch and Stenberg are better. On the right side the Blues have Snuggerud and Kyrou. The correct move was to trade Bolduc vs extending him to play on the 3rd line.

Bolduc has done almost all of his NHL damage in March '25 15gp 8g 3 11 +7


Outside of March of '25:

137 NHL games played 26 goals +2 (15.5 goals per 82 NHL games)

Not really worth hemming and hawing over

Id do the same trade, today, 100% with all this known.

[Lefley 25]

The Blues wanted a young RHD prospect back, who else was available? i doubt the Blues were getting much more than what they did for Bolduc.

On the left side Neighbours, Holloway, Buch and Stenberg are better. On the right side the Blues have Snuggerud and Kyrou. The correct move was to trade Bolduc vs extending him to play on the 3rd line.

Bolduc has done almost all of his NHL damage in March '25 15gp 8g 3 11 +7


Outside of March of '25:

137 NHL games played 26 goals +2 (15.5 goals per 82 NHL games)

Not really worth hemming and hawing over

Id do the same trade, today, 100% with all this known.

Going to end up a good trade for the Blues
Army selling high on Bolduc was good gamble, it is what it takes in today’s NHL to acquire a young RHD with a high ceiling!
I see LM playing very conservative offensive game while learning to limit defensive mistakes which I am seeing much improvement!
Once the reins are loosened on him next year we will see the offensive side of bust out
The kid can skate and shoot the puck when reins are lowered
He is doing right by defense and positioning first.

[dhsux]

I posted the thread because I feel the player of 48 games has improved and progressed in his games of January to the point of acceptable, which is a long long way from his prior 35 games played but that was not the point.

The real point actually is 3 of the Blues six D men were minus's for those 13 games...2 of them long time veterans... ..Fowler -1,...CP -2, and Mailloux at -3.

I thought it significant. No problem with opposing views on this.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

[seattleblue]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

It's pitiful when people react to integrity this way, but you are pitiful which we already know

[Jeff Goldblum]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

It's pitiful when people react to integrity this way, but you are pitiful which we already know

You have the personality of a serial killer.

[seattleblue]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

It's pitiful when people react to integrity this way, but you are pitiful which we already know

You have the personality of a serial killer.

you cant even say who you were here before Dec 5 and come back to attack people. you are an embarrassing human, you're a fart with legs

[Jeff Goldblum]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

It's pitiful when people react to integrity this way, but you are pitiful which we already know

You have the personality of a serial killer.

you cant even say who you were here before Dec 5 and come back to attack people. you are an embarrassing human, you're a fart with legs

You just attacked someone earlier on this very page, oh holy one.

[seattleblue]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

It's pitiful when people react to integrity this way, but you are pitiful which we already know

You have the personality of a serial killer.

you cant even say who you were here before Dec 5 and come back to attack people. you are an embarrassing human, you're a fart with legs

You just attacked someone earlier on this very page, oh holy one.

you created a new attack account from your previous account on Dec 5 to attack people you effing simpleton.

you gutlessly hide the context of who you were previously, because bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk

of course we were always going to have conflict. I'm a decent human being and you're a coward. I'm allergic to chicken sh*ts.

[steve li]

Why do I think this thread has outlived its usefulness?

[Frank Underwood]

Why do I think this thread has outlived its usefulness?

My Lord yes……about 5 pages ago!

[Jeff Goldblum]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

It's pitiful when people react to integrity this way, but you are pitiful which we already know

You have the personality of a serial killer.

you cant even say who you were here before Dec 5 and come back to attack people. you are an embarrassing human, you're a fart with legs

You just attacked someone earlier on this very page, oh holy one.

you created a new attack account from your previous account on Dec 5 to attack people you effing simpleton.

you gutlessly hide the context of who you were previously, because bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk

of course we were always going to have conflict. I'm a decent human being and you're a coward. I'm allergic to chicken sh*ts.

I'm old enough to remember when you lost your [shirt] because someone accused you of being a sock. I feel sorry for any victims in your vicinity. Thoughts and prayers.

[seattleblue]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

It's pitiful when people react to integrity this way, but you are pitiful which we already know

You have the personality of a serial killer.

you cant even say who you were here before Dec 5 and come back to attack people. you are an embarrassing human, you're a fart with legs

You just attacked someone earlier on this very page, oh holy one.

you created a new attack account from your previous account on Dec 5 to attack people you effing simpleton.

you gutlessly hide the context of who you were previously, because bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk

of course we were always going to have conflict. I'm a decent human being and you're a coward. I'm allergic to chicken sh*ts.

I'm old enough to remember when you lost your [shirt] because someone accused you of being a sock. I feel sorry for any victims in your vicinity. Thoughts and prayers.

you're genuinely at least serial killer adjacent

me on the other hand, my dad's mom helped decode the Enigma to defeat Hitler and my mom's brother made a landmark discovery that became the foundation for developmental biology, which in turn is how scientists work on things like birth defects. I am a deeply thoughtful person, elegant writer, brave traveler, and deep humanist. I'm experienced with an entire array of grief through joy, both alone and with others. Also a 50 year Blues fan.

you receive me as a serial killer because people often project. I hide none of my identity, I am riddled with flaws and still proud of the person I make myself into daily, but you hidey hide ... like a serial killer. and at minimum a fool

[Jeff Goldblum]

Hard to tell if Seattle and Miami are attracted to each other or themselves. Holy moley.

It's pitiful when people react to integrity this way, but you are pitiful which we already know

You have the personality of a serial killer.

you cant even say who you were here before Dec 5 and come back to attack people. you are an embarrassing human, you're a fart with legs

You just attacked someone earlier on this very page, oh holy one.

you created a new attack account from your previous account on Dec 5 to attack people you effing simpleton.

you gutlessly hide the context of who you were previously, because bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk

of course we were always going to have conflict. I'm a decent human being and you're a coward. I'm allergic to chicken sh*ts.

I'm old enough to remember when you lost your [shirt] because someone accused you of being a sock. I feel sorry for any victims in your vicinity. Thoughts and prayers.

you're genuinely at least serial killer adjacent

me on the other hand, my dad's mom helped decode the Enigma to defeat Hitler and my mom's brother made a landmark discovery that became the foundation for developmental biology, which in turn is how scientists work on things like birth defects. I am a deeply thoughtful person, elegant writer, brave traveler, and deep humanist. I'm experienced with an entire array of grief through joy, both alone and with others. Also a 50 year Blues fan.

you receive me as a serial killer because people often project. I hide none of my identity, I am riddled with flaws and still proud of the person I make myself into daily, but you hidey hide ... like a serial killer. and at minimum a fool

Whatever you say, Jeffrey...

[skilles]

I am a deeply thoughtful person, elegant writer, brave traveler, and deep humanist.

you're a fart with legs

lol indeed