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Re: Dodgers' Luxury Tax

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Poojols wrote: 25 Dec 2025 17:19 pm
makesnosense wrote: 22 Dec 2025 07:10 am
cardstatman wrote: 21 Dec 2025 23:28 pm
Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
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makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am
Poojols wrote: 25 Dec 2025 17:19 pm
makesnosense wrote: 22 Dec 2025 07:10 am
cardstatman wrote: 21 Dec 2025 23:28 pm
Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
That's exactly what the delusional Dodgers fans say on X. "Your team is just cheap. Anyone can do this".

No, not every team can do this due to local TV money. The convo ends there.
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bretto12 wrote: 20 Dec 2025 08:39 am The difference is not star power, it is population base. The Dodgers make more in local TV money than the Card's do from all sources. The team had a bad year and the "Cardinal Fans" stopped going to the games. The best fans in baseball deserted their team. At least 20 of the MLB teams can not spend like the Dodgers. What the players need to realize is that if they allow a payroll cap and floor, they will still get their money. It just won't be in NY or LA.
They may get their 25 million a year in KC or Minnesota, but they will still get it and the competition created by balanced salaries will lead to more teams competing and that means more TV money and packed stadiums which will generate even more money for salaries.
Would you vote to cap your salary? A salary cap offers nothing to the players. Are the owners capping their profits? Are the owners going to keep prices where they are and not raise them on things? Nope. So why would you expect the players to do that? Fans don't goe to the games to see the owners and they don't go to support the owners. Revenue sharing is the answer. But rich owners don't want to share the wealth. So here we are. Destined for another lock out.
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Poojols wrote: 26 Dec 2025 13:26 pm
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am
Poojols wrote: 25 Dec 2025 17:19 pm
makesnosense wrote: 22 Dec 2025 07:10 am
cardstatman wrote: 21 Dec 2025 23:28 pm
Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
That's exactly what the delusional Dodgers fans say on X. "Your team is just cheap. Anyone can do this".

No, not every team can do this due to local TV money. The convo ends there.
Many can so I guess the convo starts there.
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Re: Dodgers' Luxury Tax

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makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 14:11 pm
Poojols wrote: 26 Dec 2025 13:26 pm
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am
Poojols wrote: 25 Dec 2025 17:19 pm
makesnosense wrote: 22 Dec 2025 07:10 am
cardstatman wrote: 21 Dec 2025 23:28 pm
Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
That's exactly what the delusional Dodgers fans say on X. "Your team is just cheap. Anyone can do this".

No, not every team can do this due to local TV money. The convo ends there.
Many can so I guess the convo starts there.
Well in one quick post we've already got you to go from "any team can do what the Dodgers do" to "many can". You're starting to get it!
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Ike Hammett wrote: 25 Dec 2025 15:58 pm
60 year Cardinal fan wrote: 25 Dec 2025 15:33 pm
Ike Hammett wrote: 25 Dec 2025 13:46 pm
60 year Cardinal fan wrote: 25 Dec 2025 08:43 am
Ike Hammett wrote: 20 Dec 2025 10:12 am
Poojols wrote: 19 Dec 2025 22:31 pm Yes, baseball is broken. The only people who refuse that fact are either fans of those few large markets or complete idiots.
No, it's the opposite! Dodgers fans showed up 4 million strong, root like crazy ( in a fun and happy way) people love their players and management, love baseball and pay big bucks to see it.

The system isn't really that broken, you "best fans in baseball" are. Yeah, Cards could definitely use a TV deal like that.
I’ve read your junk patiently without responding for a while now, but enough is enough. I have been a Cardinal fan since the late 1940’s because my dad and grandpa were fans. I don’t need some wise a—s Johnny come lately to lecture me on being a good fan. Dewitt dumped this team long before the 3 million per year fans started leaving. I am still a fan of Cardinal baseball, I’m just not a fan of the DeWitts.
I don't mean to insult you old timer, but when you all want to destroy my city and my team we might have a problem. What kind of "fan" are you really when you press to boycott, press to bash the city and not support it in anyway. That 60 year "fan" nonsense is worthless if you don't show up or even root for the club.

More like a 60+ fair weather "fan" if you feel like it, right!? Yo dude, "real fans" stick with it through the good and bad, which happens in everything.
I live 200 miles from the ballpark and I’m past 80. I will listen and watch on TV, but I’m doubt I’ll be making the effort to travel to the stadium when it is obvious that the owner only wants to pocket the dollars we spend. I made that drive many times in the 70’s and 90’s, when the team wasn’t exactly flourishing, so take your fair weather fan junk and place it where the sun never shines.
Cool. And i live less than a mile from the ballpark, will show up to any game and do. I also will watch any game on TV even in ballpark village, love your passion old timer. But that energy isn't going to beat LA. Yup, the 80+ old guy Dodgers fans wants it more than you. So don't give me your nostalgic [nonsense]. They want it more than you, right?
What kind of deduction is that? It has nothing to do with how much I want it vs how much an 80 year old Dodger fan does. It has to do with the decisions made by the Cardinal owners and top brass.
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Poojols wrote: 26 Dec 2025 14:20 pm
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 14:11 pm
Poojols wrote: 26 Dec 2025 13:26 pm
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am
Poojols wrote: 25 Dec 2025 17:19 pm
makesnosense wrote: 22 Dec 2025 07:10 am
cardstatman wrote: 21 Dec 2025 23:28 pm
Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
That's exactly what the delusional Dodgers fans say on X. "Your team is just cheap. Anyone can do this".

No, not every team can do this due to local TV money. The convo ends there.
Many can so I guess the convo starts there.
Well in one quick post we've already got you to go from "any team can do what the Dodgers do" to "many can". You're starting to get it!
But his point is valid regarding the Cardinals. One of the wealthiest ownership groups in baseball and a team with a phenomenal increase in value since its purchase. If they put a better product on the field that value (and profit) will increase. Simple business concept = “You must invest something to create value—money, time, skill, or risk.”
I'm not advocating MLB free agents now, as they need to build their core; but they need to spend much more on international FAs (not happening well) and player development (this is happening).
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ClassicO wrote: 26 Dec 2025 17:10 pm
Poojols wrote: 26 Dec 2025 14:20 pm
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 14:11 pm
Poojols wrote: 26 Dec 2025 13:26 pm
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am
Poojols wrote: 25 Dec 2025 17:19 pm
makesnosense wrote: 22 Dec 2025 07:10 am
cardstatman wrote: 21 Dec 2025 23:28 pm
Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
That's exactly what the delusional Dodgers fans say on X. "Your team is just cheap. Anyone can do this".

No, not every team can do this due to local TV money. The convo ends there.
Many can so I guess the convo starts there.
Well in one quick post we've already got you to go from "any team can do what the Dodgers do" to "many can". You're starting to get it!
But his point is valid regarding the Cardinals. One of the wealthiest ownership groups in baseball and a team with a phenomenal increase in value since its purchase. If they put a better product on the field that value (and profit) will increase. Simple business concept = “You must invest something to create value—money, time, skill, or risk.”
I'm not advocating MLB free agents now, as they need to build their core; but they need to spend much more on international FAs (not happening well) and player development (this is happening).
Correct, there are two glaring issues in baseball. The super rich have a completely unfair advantage, and a bunch of teams couldn't give a [shirt] about fielding a competitive team as long as they get to pocket the profits.

But that wasn't his point at all. His point initially was, "any team can do what the Dodgers do".
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How about this. 10 times luxury tax. For every dollar over the tax threshold $10 assessed. If $10 million over is reached you forfeit your first round pick. Absolutely no deferred money. Payroll assessed annually. That might get the attention of the Dodgers and Mets of the world. Something with a little teeth in it.
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CCard wrote: 27 Dec 2025 08:36 am How about this. 10 times luxury tax. For every dollar over the tax threshold $10 assessed. If $10 million over is reached you forfeit your first round pick. Absolutely no deferred money. Payroll assessed annually. That might get the attention of the Dodgers and Mets of the world. Something with a little teeth in it.
I have a better option. Shared TV/streaming revenue. Average out the per game income from TV & streaming and whatever other media is in use, home team gets 60% of their revenue, visitors 40%. Reverse the percentages for the visiting team. Continue the fines for blowing up the "soft cap" while requiring each team to use an averaged salary for those with receiving yearly deferred payments larger than their average salary.

Problem solved, NO! But it is at least a step in the right direction.
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DwaininAztec wrote: 27 Dec 2025 13:41 pm
CCard wrote: 27 Dec 2025 08:36 am How about this. 10 times luxury tax. For every dollar over the tax threshold $10 assessed. If $10 million over is reached you forfeit your first round pick. Absolutely no deferred money. Payroll assessed annually. That might get the attention of the Dodgers and Mets of the world. Something with a little teeth in it.
I have a better option. Shared TV/streaming revenue. Average out the per game income from TV & streaming and whatever other media is in use, home team gets 60% of their revenue, visitors 40%. Reverse the percentages for the visiting team. Continue the fines for blowing up the "soft cap" while requiring each team to use an averaged salary for those with receiving yearly deferred payments larger than their average salary.

Problem solved, NO! But it is at least a step in the right direction.
Not sure you'll ever get the owners to open their books. I'm fine with the revenue sharing, with the caveat that teams must spend a certain amount on payroll. No cheap owners sucking at the teat of the richest owners without that.
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CCard wrote: 26 Dec 2025 13:26 pm
bretto12 wrote: 20 Dec 2025 08:39 am The difference is not star power, it is population base. The Dodgers make more in local TV money than the Card's do from all sources. The team had a bad year and the "Cardinal Fans" stopped going to the games. The best fans in baseball deserted their team. At least 20 of the MLB teams can not spend like the Dodgers. What the players need to realize is that if they allow a payroll cap and floor, they will still get their money. It just won't be in NY or LA.
They may get their 25 million a year in KC or Minnesota, but they will still get it and the competition created by balanced salaries will lead to more teams competing and that means more TV money and packed stadiums which will generate even more money for salaries.
Would you vote to cap your salary? A salary cap offers nothing to the players. Are the owners capping their profits? Are the owners going to keep prices where they are and not raise them on things? Nope. So why would you expect the players to do that? Fans don't goe to the games to see the owners and they don't go to support the owners. Revenue sharing is the answer. But rich owners don't want to share the wealth. So here we are. Destined for another lock out.
No that's false. It's been proven that the salary cap actually increases salaries due to the salary floor. With a salary floor the teams like the marlins can't spend only 30 million, they'd need to spend (let's just say for arguments sake the floor is 110) they'd be overpaying a lot of average and below average players which would increase the money for the top guys.

What it does is forces the older players into retirement a lot earlier than 38.
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makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 14:11 pm
Poojols wrote: 26 Dec 2025 13:26 pm
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am
Poojols wrote: 25 Dec 2025 17:19 pm
makesnosense wrote: 22 Dec 2025 07:10 am
cardstatman wrote: 21 Dec 2025 23:28 pm
Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
That's exactly what the delusional Dodgers fans say on X. "Your team is just cheap. Anyone can do this".

No, not every team can do this due to local TV money. The convo ends there.
Many can so I guess the convo starts there.
Many teams can defer almost a billion in contract money? No I don't think that's accurate at all.

Many teams can have almost a 400 million dollar payroll? No I'm pretty sure they can't

Many teams can pay a 169 million luxury tax on top of the payroll? Again I'm pretty sure that's not correct.

No many teams can't do what the Dodgers are doing. There's maybe 2-3 other teams and that's pretty much it.
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CCard wrote: 27 Dec 2025 20:51 pm
DwaininAztec wrote: 27 Dec 2025 13:41 pm
CCard wrote: 27 Dec 2025 08:36 am How about this. 10 times luxury tax. For every dollar over the tax threshold $10 assessed. If $10 million over is reached you forfeit your first round pick. Absolutely no deferred money. Payroll assessed annually. That might get the attention of the Dodgers and Mets of the world. Something with a little teeth in it.
I have a better option. Shared TV/streaming revenue. Average out the per game income from TV & streaming and whatever other media is in use, home team gets 60% of their revenue, visitors 40%. Reverse the percentages for the visiting team. Continue the fines for blowing up the "soft cap" while requiring each team to use an averaged salary for those with receiving yearly deferred payments larger than their average salary.

Problem solved, NO! But it is at least a step in the right direction.
Not sure you'll ever get the owners to open their books. I'm fine with the revenue sharing, with the caveat that teams must spend a certain amount on payroll. No cheap owners sucking at the teat of the richest owners without that.
That would lead to teams having to pay more for players that aren’t worth it.
Have a cheapskate tax. Any money under a certain limit goes to the players association and they could divide it amongst their members.
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TheJackBurton wrote: 28 Dec 2025 01:25 am
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 14:11 pm
Poojols wrote: 26 Dec 2025 13:26 pm
makesnosense wrote: 26 Dec 2025 10:47 am
Poojols wrote: 25 Dec 2025 17:19 pm
makesnosense wrote: 22 Dec 2025 07:10 am
cardstatman wrote: 21 Dec 2025 23:28 pm
Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
That's exactly what the delusional Dodgers fans say on X. "Your team is just cheap. Anyone can do this".

No, not every team can do this due to local TV money. The convo ends there.
Many can so I guess the convo starts there.
Many teams can defer almost a billion in contract money? No I don't think that's accurate at all.

Many teams can have almost a 400 million dollar payroll? No I'm pretty sure they can't

Many teams can pay a 169 million luxury tax on top of the payroll? Again I'm pretty sure that's not correct.

No many teams can't do what the Dodgers are doing. There's maybe 2-3 other teams and that's pretty much it.
They all can do it. Baseball teams aren't owned by the local diner. They are owned by billionaires who have and make a lot of money. It comes down to how much money they want want to clear owning a team. Most owners don't care about winning as much as they like making money.
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Re: Dodgers' Luxury Tax

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makesnosense wrote: 28 Dec 2025 06:20 am
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Hofikebrucee wrote: 21 Dec 2025 22:46 pm lA has been a huge market since forever. When Fox and later when McCourt owned the team they sucked.

It took smart owners with deep pockets to develop the revenue that had been sitting there untapped.

The argument about the market is a bit odd given they’ve been good for about 8-10 years but LA has been a huge market far longer. The key to the dodgers is not money alone and I would go so far as to say their brain trust is far more valuable than their checkbook.

Baseball is broke. But not likely to be fixed. Strike or no strike. Lockout or no lockout. The brewers are in a horrible market and still can compete. If that’s possible why can’t the cardinals?
With Dodger/Yankee money, the owner has to be stupid not to win.

Yeah, the Dodgers stopped their stupid and are actually using their unfair advantage. Congrats to them.

The system needs to be fixed we can't rely on all the largest markets being stupid in order to give the poorest 15 teams a fighting chance.

St Louis and Kansas City are the only metro areas smaller than 4.5M to win a World Series in the past 28 years (since MLB expanded to 30 teams).
Toronto and the New York Mets are the only metro areas larger than 4.5M not to win a World Series in the past 28 years.
I always love the " Dodgers use their unfair advantage" They do not have an unfair advantage, but are the best run organization in baseball , if not of all sports.
Huh? Lol.

The only people I've seen say this the past few years are Dodgers fans and a few liars who for whatever reason, can't admit the rules are broken. Which one are you?
Well you should read more. I never said the rules are good or bad. I just state the fact that it it is not an unfair advantage. Any team can do what the Dodgers do. Harder for most for sure, but possible. Are do you mean the unfair advantage of playing in a destination city that offers numerous opportunities to better your individual brand?
That's exactly what the delusional Dodgers fans say on X. "Your team is just cheap. Anyone can do this".

No, not every team can do this due to local TV money. The convo ends there.
Many can so I guess the convo starts there.
Many teams can defer almost a billion in contract money? No I don't think that's accurate at all.

Many teams can have almost a 400 million dollar payroll? No I'm pretty sure they can't

Many teams can pay a 169 million luxury tax on top of the payroll? Again I'm pretty sure that's not correct.

No many teams can't do what the Dodgers are doing. There's maybe 2-3 other teams and that's pretty much it.
They all can do it. Baseball teams aren't owned by the local diner. They are owned by billionaires who have and make a lot of money. It comes down to how much money they want want to clear owning a team. Most owners don't care about winning as much as they like making money.
(bleep) you were making progress before, but now went back to "they all can do it". What happened to "many can"?

"They are owned by billionaires who have and make a lot money". Are all billionaires the same? Markets, local TV revenue, etc?
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