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Posted: **05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm**

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:16 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:53 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:43 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:58 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:32 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:24 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:52 am In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.
Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.
Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?
Who was GM and who was the Manager?
The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.
Again, it’s weird how a long, long time Cardinal fan like Red keeps ripping his own team. And tries to make fun of fans who still are positive and cheer for them.
YAY, I love how this team has no Star Players, a no name manager, hasn’t won a playoff game in who knows how long….CHEER……won’t be in playoffs 3rd yr running…..has no real plan to get back to being competitive any time soon, YAY GO TEAM……..owner won’t spend on talent, doesn’t appear engaged with plight of team or fans…..HOORAY, just sold off for 3rd trade deadline in a row, YUTES who were supposed to shine this season are duds
YAY……GIVE ME SOME MORE……I CAN’T TAKE ALL THIS WINNING!!!!! CHEER
That's about as ignorant a post as I've seen on CT. We are still trying to unwind from a humongous contract with Arenado. in 2022 we had the #1 and #3 MVP in the NL. They were still with us last year but their contracts hung over our heads like a couple albatrosses.

We are paying Sonny Gray $35M this year to pitch.

I get DeWitt wondering how we got into the '23 mess and how to avoid it going forward. The biggest shame of having a couple downyears is having to put up with malcontents who can't manage disappointment. I see the light in the tunnel. By the time you do, you should change your CT name.
One way to avoid another mess might have been to not allow a farewell tour by the guy who created the mess in the first place.
Mo has been muted this year. Shirley you see that. DeWitt is in his 80's and handles disappointment differently than he has in the past. If he still likes Mo and wants to let him down gently, so be it. The change is evident.
Glad he valued "letting him down gently" over his customers -- and his pocketbook.
DeWitt's pocketbook is, I'm sure, doing just fine.

Chaim has been offered a generous look at the organization with Mo on the hook and will no doubt come out firing next year. If you can't already see his impact, you aren't paying much attention.

I've suffered the down years throughout my life and always remained a Cardinal fan. Can't speak for others.

Me too huge. Some don’t have the same perspective because they aren’t old enough to have been fans through the 50s, 70s, or 90s. Boy were those frustrating and dreary decades.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 14:28 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:16 pm

DeWitt's pocketbook is, I'm sure, doing just fine.

Chaim has been offered a generous look at the organization with Mo on the hook and will no doubt come out firing next year. If you can't already see his impact, you aren't paying much attention.

I've suffered the down years throughout my life and always remained a Cardinal fan. Can't speak for others.
Me too huge. Some don’t have the same perspective because they aren’t old enough to have been fans through the 50s, 70s, or 90s. Boy were those frustrating and dreary decades.

I was a baby Cardinal fan in the 50's. I only knew what my daddy told me. Stan Musial was one of the all time greats and Vinegar Ben Mizell was a family friend who supplied box seat tickets when we went to games.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 14:34 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:16 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:53 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:43 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:58 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:32 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:24 am

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.
Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?
Who was GM and who was the Manager?
The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.
Again, it’s weird how a long, long time Cardinal fan like Red keeps ripping his own team. And tries to make fun of fans who still are positive and cheer for them.
YAY, I love how this team has no Star Players, a no name manager, hasn’t won a playoff game in who knows how long….CHEER……won’t be in playoffs 3rd yr running…..has no real plan to get back to being competitive any time soon, YAY GO TEAM……..owner won’t spend on talent, doesn’t appear engaged with plight of team or fans…..HOORAY, just sold off for 3rd trade deadline in a row, YUTES who were supposed to shine this season are duds
YAY……GIVE ME SOME MORE……I CAN’T TAKE ALL THIS WINNING!!!!! CHEER
That's about as ignorant a post as I've seen on CT. We are still trying to unwind from a humongous contract with Arenado. in 2022 we had the #1 and #3 MVP in the NL. They were still with us last year but their contracts hung over our heads like a couple albatrosses.

We are paying Sonny Gray $35M this year to pitch.

I get DeWitt wondering how we got into the '23 mess and how to avoid it going forward. The biggest shame of having a couple downyears is having to put up with malcontents who can't manage disappointment. I see the light in the tunnel. By the time you do, you should change your CT name.
One way to avoid another mess might have been to not allow a farewell tour by the guy who created the mess in the first place.
Mo has been muted this year. Shirley you see that. DeWitt is in his 80's and handles disappointment differently than he has in the past. If he still likes Mo and wants to let him down gently, so be it. The change is evident.
Glad he valued "letting him down gently" over his customers -- and his pocketbook.
DeWitt's pocketbook is, I'm sure, doing just fine.

Chaim has been offered a generous look at the organization with Mo on the hook and will no doubt come out firing next year. If you can't already see his impact, you aren't paying much attention.

I've suffered the down years throughout my life and always remained a Cardinal fan. Can't speak for others.
Me too huge. Some don’t have the same perspective because they aren’t old enough to have been fans through the 50s, 70s, or 90s. Boy were those frustrating and dreary decades.

You just can’t help but patronize, can you?

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 14:40 pm**

desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:34 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:16 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:53 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:43 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:58 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:32 am

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?
Who was GM and who was the Manager?
The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.
Again, it’s weird how a long, long time Cardinal fan like Red keeps ripping his own team. And tries to make fun of fans who still are positive and cheer for them.
YAY, I love how this team has no Star Players, a no name manager, hasn’t won a playoff game in who knows how long….CHEER……won’t be in playoffs 3rd yr running…..has no real plan to get back to being competitive any time soon, YAY GO TEAM……..owner won’t spend on talent, doesn’t appear engaged with plight of team or fans…..HOORAY, just sold off for 3rd trade deadline in a row, YUTES who were supposed to shine this season are duds
YAY……GIVE ME SOME MORE……I CAN’T TAKE ALL THIS WINNING!!!!! CHEER
That's about as ignorant a post as I've seen on CT. We are still trying to unwind from a humongous contract with Arenado. in 2022 we had the #1 and #3 MVP in the NL. They were still with us last year but their contracts hung over our heads like a couple albatrosses.

We are paying Sonny Gray $35M this year to pitch.

I get DeWitt wondering how we got into the '23 mess and how to avoid it going forward. The biggest shame of having a couple downyears is having to put up with malcontents who can't manage disappointment. I see the light in the tunnel. By the time you do, you should change your CT name.
One way to avoid another mess might have been to not allow a farewell tour by the guy who created the mess in the first place.
Mo has been muted this year. Shirley you see that. DeWitt is in his 80's and handles disappointment differently than he has in the past. If he still likes Mo and wants to let him down gently, so be it. The change is evident.
Glad he valued "letting him down gently" over his customers -- and his pocketbook.
DeWitt's pocketbook is, I'm sure, doing just fine.

Chaim has been offered a generous look at the organization with Mo on the hook and will no doubt come out firing next year. If you can't already see his impact, you aren't paying much attention.

I've suffered the down years throughout my life and always remained a Cardinal fan. Can't speak for others.
Me too huge. Some don’t have the same perspective because they aren’t old enough to have been fans through the 50s, 70s, or 90s. Boy were those frustrating and dreary decades.
You just can’t help but patronize, can you?

No patronizing at all, rat. Just stating a fact. By the way, how long have you been a Cardinal fan?

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 14:49 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:40 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:34 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:16 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:53 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:43 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:58 am

Who was GM and who was the Manager?
The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.
Again, it’s weird how a long, long time Cardinal fan like Red keeps ripping his own team. And tries to make fun of fans who still are positive and cheer for them.
YAY, I love how this team has no Star Players, a no name manager, hasn’t won a playoff game in who knows how long….CHEER……won’t be in playoffs 3rd yr running…..has no real plan to get back to being competitive any time soon, YAY GO TEAM……..owner won’t spend on talent, doesn’t appear engaged with plight of team or fans…..HOORAY, just sold off for 3rd trade deadline in a row, YUTES who were supposed to shine this season are duds
YAY……GIVE ME SOME MORE……I CAN’T TAKE ALL THIS WINNING!!!!! CHEER
That's about as ignorant a post as I've seen on CT. We are still trying to unwind from a humongous contract with Arenado. in 2022 we had the #1 and #3 MVP in the NL. They were still with us last year but their contracts hung over our heads like a couple albatrosses.

We are paying Sonny Gray $35M this year to pitch.

I get DeWitt wondering how we got into the '23 mess and how to avoid it going forward. The biggest shame of having a couple downyears is having to put up with malcontents who can't manage disappointment. I see the light in the tunnel. By the time you do, you should change your CT name.
One way to avoid another mess might have been to not allow a farewell tour by the guy who created the mess in the first place.
Mo has been muted this year. Shirley you see that. DeWitt is in his 80's and handles disappointment differently than he has in the past. If he still likes Mo and wants to let him down gently, so be it. The change is evident.
Glad he valued "letting him down gently" over his customers -- and his pocketbook.
DeWitt's pocketbook is, I'm sure, doing just fine.

Chaim has been offered a generous look at the organization with Mo on the hook and will no doubt come out firing next year. If you can't already see his impact, you aren't paying much attention.

I've suffered the down years throughout my life and always remained a Cardinal fan. Can't speak for others.
Me too huge. Some don’t have the same perspective because they aren’t old enough to have been fans through the 50s, 70s, or 90s. Boy were those frustrating and dreary decades.
You just can’t help but patronize, can you?
No patronizing at all, rat. Just stating a fact. By the way, how long have you been a Cardinal fan?

None of your business.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 14:49 pm**

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:58 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:32 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:24 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:52 am In 2021, the Cubs got rid of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Pederson, Kimbrel and Chafin. That, you could argue was a AAA team post deadline. FIVE STARTING PLAYERS.

The 2025 Cards gave up three relievers. LOL.
Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.
Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?
Who was GM and who was the Manager?
The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.
Again, it’s weird how a long, long time Cardinal fan like Red keeps ripping his own team. And tries to make fun of fans who still are positive and cheer for them.
YAY, I love how this team has no Star Players, a no name manager, hasn’t won a playoff game in who knows how long….CHEER……won’t be in playoffs 3rd yr running…..has no real plan to get back to being competitive any time soon, YAY GO TEAM……..owner won’t spend on talent, doesn’t appear engaged with plight of team or fans…..HOORAY, just sold off for 3rd trade deadline in a row, YUTES who were supposed to shine this season are duds
YAY……GIVE ME SOME MORE……I CAN’T TAKE ALL THIS WINNING!!!!! CHEER
That's about as ignorant a post as I've seen on CT. We are still trying to unwind from a humongous contract with Arenado. in 2022 we had the #1 and #3 MVP in the NL. They were still with us last year but their contracts hung over our heads like a couple albatrosses.

We are paying Sonny Gray $35M this year to pitch.

I get DeWitt wondering how we got into the '23 mess and how to avoid it going forward. The biggest shame of having a couple downyears is having to put up with malcontents who can't manage disappointment. I see the light in the tunnel. By the time you do, you should change your CT name.

That was for Cranny…..he wanted some cheering for the team….
Is there something positive to cheer about??
I’ve made some JJ posts…..go read those for happy cheerfulness….about the only real talent we’ll see in awhile. Need 6-7 more of him

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 15:11 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:16 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:53 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:43 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:58 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:32 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:24 am

Yes, but the Cardinals are in the middle and not committing either way. Wishy washy. So they say. LOL.
Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?
Who was GM and who was the Manager?
The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.
Again, it’s weird how a long, long time Cardinal fan like Red keeps ripping his own team. And tries to make fun of fans who still are positive and cheer for them.
YAY, I love how this team has no Star Players, a no name manager, hasn’t won a playoff game in who knows how long….CHEER……won’t be in playoffs 3rd yr running…..has no real plan to get back to being competitive any time soon, YAY GO TEAM……..owner won’t spend on talent, doesn’t appear engaged with plight of team or fans…..HOORAY, just sold off for 3rd trade deadline in a row, YUTES who were supposed to shine this season are duds
YAY……GIVE ME SOME MORE……I CAN’T TAKE ALL THIS WINNING!!!!! CHEER
That's about as ignorant a post as I've seen on CT. We are still trying to unwind from a humongous contract with Arenado. in 2022 we had the #1 and #3 MVP in the NL. They were still with us last year but their contracts hung over our heads like a couple albatrosses.

We are paying Sonny Gray $35M this year to pitch.

I get DeWitt wondering how we got into the '23 mess and how to avoid it going forward. The biggest shame of having a couple downyears is having to put up with malcontents who can't manage disappointment. I see the light in the tunnel. By the time you do, you should change your CT name.
One way to avoid another mess might have been to not allow a farewell tour by the guy who created the mess in the first place.
Mo has been muted this year. Shirley you see that. DeWitt is in his 80's and handles disappointment differently than he has in the past. If he still likes Mo and wants to let him down gently, so be it. The change is evident.
Glad he valued "letting him down gently" over his customers -- and his pocketbook.
DeWitt's pocketbook is, I'm sure, doing just fine.

Chaim has been offered a generous look at the organization with Mo on the hook and will no doubt come out firing next year. If you can't already see his impact, you aren't paying much attention.

I've suffered the down years throughout my life and always remained a Cardinal fan. Can't speak for others.
Me too huge. Some don’t have the same perspective because they aren’t old enough to have been fans through the 50s, 70s, or 90s. Boy were those frustrating and dreary decades.

Save your bogus got to have perspective because you saw some bad cardinals times youve seen how many world championships? You've seen how many of some of the greatest players to ever play not just for the cardinals but to ever play the game you've been spoiled by so much success that's not some wise great and wise perspective. My oldest son was six when the cardinals last won the world series he remembers being excited but none of the details my youngest son wasnt even born with most of what they have seen is the cardinals being one and done when they do make it to post season or dont even make it at all even in an age where its easy to make the post season with all of the wild cards. My youngest sons favorite players are Gray and Donovan who while solid players arent anything compared to Musial and Gibson and Brock who you saw and even me growing up watching Ozzie and Pujols and carpenter. Ive seen some lean times in the late 80s and early 90s but there were always players to be excited about

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 15:33 pm**

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:11 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:16 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:53 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:43 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:12 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:06 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:58 am
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:32 am

Of course, it's perhaps that the Cardinals want to give Bloom as much flexibility as possible moving forward.

But seriously, for OldRed's sake, the home town team needs to find more 13th round draft picks who go on to become one of the greatest players in MLB history. And 4th round picks who become one of the greatest catchers of all time. And bring in a broken down 27 year old pitcher who had a 5.28 ERA for the Blue Jays, who became one of the greatest Cardinal pitchers in their storied history. Let's go find those type of guys. Right Red?
Who was GM and who was the Manager?
The asst GM, head of scouting and head of selection committee was Mo. He was also the one who negotiated with Pujols until he signed; not for the 10,000 they originally offered him but the 60,000 Mo negotiated with him. Not everything about Mo was terrible. Your fantasy threads notwithstanding.
Again, it’s weird how a long, long time Cardinal fan like Red keeps ripping his own team. And tries to make fun of fans who still are positive and cheer for them.
YAY, I love how this team has no Star Players, a no name manager, hasn’t won a playoff game in who knows how long….CHEER……won’t be in playoffs 3rd yr running…..has no real plan to get back to being competitive any time soon, YAY GO TEAM……..owner won’t spend on talent, doesn’t appear engaged with plight of team or fans…..HOORAY, just sold off for 3rd trade deadline in a row, YUTES who were supposed to shine this season are duds
YAY……GIVE ME SOME MORE……I CAN’T TAKE ALL THIS WINNING!!!!! CHEER
That's about as ignorant a post as I've seen on CT. We are still trying to unwind from a humongous contract with Arenado. in 2022 we had the #1 and #3 MVP in the NL. They were still with us last year but their contracts hung over our heads like a couple albatrosses.

We are paying Sonny Gray $35M this year to pitch.

I get DeWitt wondering how we got into the '23 mess and how to avoid it going forward. The biggest shame of having a couple downyears is having to put up with malcontents who can't manage disappointment. I see the light in the tunnel. By the time you do, you should change your CT name.
One way to avoid another mess might have been to not allow a farewell tour by the guy who created the mess in the first place.
Mo has been muted this year. Shirley you see that. DeWitt is in his 80's and handles disappointment differently than he has in the past. If he still likes Mo and wants to let him down gently, so be it. The change is evident.
Glad he valued "letting him down gently" over his customers -- and his pocketbook.
DeWitt's pocketbook is, I'm sure, doing just fine.

Chaim has been offered a generous look at the organization with Mo on the hook and will no doubt come out firing next year. If you can't already see his impact, you aren't paying much attention.

I've suffered the down years throughout my life and always remained a Cardinal fan. Can't speak for others.
Me too huge. Some don’t have the same perspective because they aren’t old enough to have been fans through the 50s, 70s, or 90s. Boy were those frustrating and dreary decades.
Save your bogus got to have perspective because you saw some bad cardinals times youve seen how many world championships? You've seen how many of some of the greatest players to ever play not just for the cardinals but to ever play the game you've been spoiled by so much success that's not some wise great and wise perspective. My oldest son was six when the cardinals last won the world series he remembers being excited but none of the details my youngest son wasnt even born with most of what they have seen is the cardinals being one and done when they do make it to post season or dont even make it at all even in an age where its easy to make the post season with all of the wild cards. My youngest sons favorite players are Gray and Donovan who while solid players arent anything compared to Musial and Gibson and Brock who you saw and even me growing up watching Ozzie and Pujols and carpenter. Ive seen some lean times in the late 80s and early 90s but there were always players to be excited about

You're right. We've ALL seen lean times; Cranny and a few others seem to think that being old gives them a monopoly on wisdom and perspective. There aren't ANY "kids" here -- we've all seen the 50s, or the 70s, or the 90s. We know what losing is like. We just think it's a lot more avoidable than it's been lately. This is a self-inflicted downturn.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 15:50 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Nice clown comment Cranny - reaching back 40 and 60 years to make your “point”.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 15:53 pm**

desertrat23 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:54 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
Waxing poetic about things that happened decades ago is what this board does best.

Not this board, just Cranny.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 15:55 pm**

desertrat23 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:18 am
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
When you’ve only won a single playoff series in a decade and are staring down the barrel of a second losing season in three years and tens of thousands of empty seats, EVERYONE should be pushing the “I want it now” button.

And let me save you some time with your response. Just pick a letter:

A: “It’s so horrible, rat.”
B. “90 wins in three of the last five seasons.”
C. “We’ve seen plenty of World Series.”
D. “Just enjoy watching young players develop, like (INSERT LIST OF HALF THE ROSTER, INCLUDING GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG LEAGUERS FOR HALF A DECADE).”
E. “(INSERT IRRELEVANT MINOR LEAGUE STAT)”

Great response!

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 16:04 pm**

Bomber1 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:50 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Nice clown comment Cranny - reaching back 40 and 60 years to make your “point”.

I dunno. You gotta get a little excited about our top 15 prospect list from the Cardinal Nation:

Prospect Tm Position June Draft (round) (6) July position
JJ Wetherholt Spr SS 1 1
Liam Doyle (1) 2 Doyle 2
Quinn Mathews Mem LHS 2 3
Michael McGreevy Mem RHS 3 4
Jimmy Crooks Mem C 4 5
Leonardo Bernal Spr C 5 6
Tink Hence Spr RHS 6 7
Tekoah Roby Mem RHS 7 8
Thomas Saggese StL 2B 8 9
Rainiel Rodriguez PB C 9 10
Andre Granillo StL RHR 10 11
Ixan Henderson Spr LHS 11 12
Cooper Hjerpe Spr IL LHS 12 13
Joshua Baez Spr OF 13 14
Ryan Mitchell (CBB) 15

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 16:13 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 21:20 pm
Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 20:20 pm Amazing how things have changed, as remember back when a previous cardinal manager said something like ....
"MLB is not for development"
Unfortunately, it is now with the skyrocketing salaries. Salary inflation has forced the small market teams to bring up guys from AAA perhaps a little too soon.

But the fact remains, that a number of posters on this thread won’t acknowledge that the majority of guys who are promoted to the majors don’t come up with both guns blazing and produce at a top level right away. And calling them a AAA player during that adjustment period is naive.

Is there any end to the (bleep) you spew to protect DeWitt & Friends?

No, I can see there isn’t any end to it as evidenced by the tripe you’ve typed in this thread alone.

“Small market….forced to bring up….too soon”.

Here are some facts Cranny:

1. It’s not a “small market”problem - it is an organizational problem that’s gone on for years and has zero to do with market size.
2. Good players don’t take 4-5 years to blossom. Yet this organization has given 4 and 5-years tryouts to many players,
Including many who are either out of baseball or are currently sucking for whatever team is unfortunate enough to have them under contract.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 16:57 pm**

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 16:04 pm
Bomber1 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:50 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Nice clown comment Cranny - reaching back 40 and 60 years to make your “point”.
I dunno. You gotta get a little excited about our top 15 prospect list from the Cardinal Nation:

Prospect Tm Position June Draft (round) (6) July position
JJ Wetherholt Spr SS 1 1
Liam Doyle (1) 2 Doyle 2
Quinn Mathews Mem LHS 2 3
Michael McGreevy Mem RHS 3 4
Jimmy Crooks Mem C 4 5
Leonardo Bernal Spr C 5 6
Tink Hence Spr RHS 6 7
Tekoah Roby Mem RHS 7 8
Thomas Saggese StL 2B 8 9
Rainiel Rodriguez PB C 9 10
Andre Granillo StL RHR 10 11
Ixan Henderson Spr LHS 11 12
Cooper Hjerpe Spr IL LHS 12 13
Joshua Baez Spr OF 13 14
Ryan Mitchell (CBB) 15

The Cardinals have had Top 15 prospects for many years.
Cranny reminds us of them every year.
In truth I’m fairly excited about some of these guys; let’s hope they turn out better than the Top 15 guys from 5,6,7,10 years ago.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 17:23 pm**

Maybe, just maybe, ownership should have reinvested the dollars from multiple years of 3 million tickets into the team and the minor leagues, rather than perhaps pocketing the gains? The team is privately-held, so we as fans will never really know.

Posted: **05 Aug 2025 17:24 pm**

As mentioned by another poster the rapid decline has been self-induced.

The idiocy in not signing a generational player like Harper when there wasn't one in the pipeline is where it started.

The OF has been a plague on this offense ever since.

How many years has this team resorted to moving infielder to the OF in an effort to boost production and now a catcher is being moved there.

It's not some yoda type of any "perspective" it's simply blatant incompetence and misplaced priorities such as BPV.

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