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Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 16:22 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
ClassicO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 16:16 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:10 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:06 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 14:38 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 14:24 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 21:35 pm
From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.
Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.
Agree with looking more often at Herrera in LF, giving Church more opps, and seeing Torres at a number of positions. I am hopeful about Baez, but don't want to have any MLB expectations of him next season. If he makes it, fine. I would like to see Baiez and Chase Davis go to Memphis and really kick the door down to the point that you just know you have to give them a look. I wouldn't bring either one of them up on a hope.
I watched a lot of MiLB games last year thanks to the archive element of that subscription, and Davis was a major disappointment offensively (and surprisingly good defensively). His pitch recognition and huge swing are a major problems, as he misses pitches by big margins.
From the outside looking in at the boxscores, it seems like his results got quite a bit better from July (or so) on. Is that accurate, or do you think that was a fluke?
You're right that he finished strong in a short September, but he was all over the place, as the screenshot below shows. He can't hit LHP. Not much power (10 HRs) for a guy who seems to swing for the fences every AB. He's fallen to the #26 prospect for STL and that says volumes for the former #1 pick. Last - note his troubles with older pitchers, which he'd see at the big league level.
Chase Davis 2025 stats.png
Wow! 4 hits and a .386 OPS for the whole month of June! That's as a bad a month as I've seen for a professional hitter. That will ruin your whole year's line, no matter how well you could do otherwise.
Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 16:36 pm
by ecleme22
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 16:06 pm
ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:43 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:22 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 14:50 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:29 pm
I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.
Agree.
Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.
Thanks. Some try to flame me over this opinion, but Bader would be a perfect 4th OF Zfor this LH heavy team
Read the room.
Bader is coming off his best season in years and is a FA approaching 33 years old.
There’s no doubt he’s positioning for his last ‘big’ contract, which could be over 30mil for 2-3 years.
Read the room? Coming from the guy blowing the Nick Castellsnos and T Pham trumpet?
You are laughable.
Most reports have him anywhere from 2/16 yo 3/36.
I'd go 2/16 in a heartbeat. Another tradeable piece at the deadline.
Good luck dealing Castellanos at the deadline.
You really don’t understand how this rebuild thing works. Especially with a lockout on the horizon
Bring up rational RH suggestions.
1) you said “Bader would be the perfect 4th OFer.” You want to sign a 4th OFer to a multi year deal for minimum 10 per year?
2. You said “he can be flipped at the deadline.” Okay, Bader at the TDL w a .675 ops and owed at least 12mil can easily be flipped? Okay…
Read the room w Bader. He wants max money, a multi year deal, and doesn’t want to go anywhere where he’s a RH platoon.
If the team trades NC for NA, they 1) save money 2) get a RHer w a higher offensive floor than Bader and 3) inherit only a 1 year contact….a lot easier to flip..
Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 16:46 pm
by Basil Shabazz
Once again ecleme, you are the king of moving goalposts to attempt to support your flawed narrative. I or no one ever said $10m or $12m per season for Bader.
Yet you did.
I said 2 years at $8m per year is something I’d be willing to do.
Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 17:02 pm
by ecleme22
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 16:46 pm
Once again ecleme, you are the king of moving goalposts to attempt to support your flawed narrative. I or no one ever said $10m or $12m per season for Bader.
Yet you did.
I said 2 years at $8m per year is something I’d be willing to do.
Okay, please provide proof that he is looking for 2/16 mil.
Or is this your made up number?
Either way, my points still stand.
Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 17:13 pm
by renostl
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 16:06 pm
ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:43 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:22 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 14:50 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:29 pm
I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.
Agree.
Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.
Thanks. Some try to flame me over this opinion, but Bader would be a perfect 4th OF Zfor this LH heavy team
Read the room.
Bader is coming off his best season in years and is a FA approaching 33 years old.
There’s no doubt he’s positioning for his last ‘big’ contract, which could be over 30mil for 2-3 years.
Read the room? Coming from the guy blowing the Nick Castellsnos and T Pham trumpet?
You are laughable.
Most reports have him anywhere from 2/16 yo 3/36.
I'd go 2/16 in a heartbeat. Another tradeable piece at the deadline.
Good luck dealing Castellanos at the deadline.
You really don’t understand how this rebuild thing works. Especially with a lockout on the horizon
Nick will only need to be on a 20HR pace at the deadline for some
team to want a RH bat. He will be owed under $7 million at that time
chump change. So as a deadline piece if that's the goal, I think Nick
is better.
A important piece is the Arenado one. Imagine getting rid of his contract for
a total of $14 million. Half is $20 and they'd get a low-level piece back on NA.
Nick if bad only cost $20. You only miss out on the low-level prospect. If good he fills
a need plus whatever return. There's rationale to it even if you do not agree.
Bader has a place. He serves a purpose. I believe he signs for over $30 million total.
That's fine but be prepared to pay it in full.
Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 17:15 pm
by Carp4Cy
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 15:22 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 14:50 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:29 pm
I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.
Agree.
Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.
Thanks. Some try to flame me over this opinion, but Bader would be a perfect 4th OF Zfor this LH heavy team
He posted four war in 450 at bats last year. Even at half that production he’d be our best outfielder. Make him a starter.
Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 17:43 pm
by Cardinals1964
ClassicO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 14:24 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 21:35 pm
From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.
Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.
I have wondered if Herrera could play 3rd? Many catchers have made that switch. Is his arm too weak? I don’t know.
Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 20:03 pm
by ecleme22
ClassicO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 14:24 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 21:35 pm
From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.
Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.
If you sign one of those dudes, the kids still play.
Re: Cards Looking for RHH OF
Posted: 24 Dec 2025 20:34 pm
by redbirdfan51
Bader would be a good 4th OF. One of a couple FA's they could sign and fill a hole. Baez may be close, Walker needs to hit. I could see Herrera in LF.
