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ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 18:59 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 18:09 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:27 pm

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:20 pm Good signing. Probably need a veteran reliever or 2. I am guessing they are done signing SPs unless they think they are getting a deal.

1. Liberatore
2. May
3. McGreevy
4. Fitts
5. Leahy/Pallante

They then have a bunch of guys at Memphis, Mathews, Henderson, Mautz, etc that can be the next man up.

Any reliever they bring in should be capable of multiple innings/spot starts. That rotation is at HIGH risk of not being able to pile up innings. The bullpen could be toast by July if they don’t properly prepare for that.

I like the May signing and the high reward/low risk behind it, I’d just like to see them add another guy that could pile on some innings

Totally agree with this. Need mid inning relievers who can go 2+ innings. I wouldn't mind seeing this team us openers to get through the first 3 batters before deploying the starter in the hopes of getting another inning out of them.

They will get more pitching. My point in the post and some others have pointed it out, May and Fitts have more upside than Mikolas and Fedde. The risk is they cannot cover innings. They do need a veteran middle innings reliever that can pitch 60-80 innings. They will also likely add more via trade at the AAA level that is part of the next man up group. Unlike in 2025 when all the pitching depth was at AA in Springfield, all those guys will now be in Memphis. We also have our old friend Zack Thompson around who if he can return from injury, had good ML stuff.

Whatashame wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 19:11 pm

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 18:59 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 18:09 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:27 pm

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:20 pm Good signing. Probably need a veteran reliever or 2. I am guessing they are done signing SPs unless they think they are getting a deal.

1. Liberatore
2. May
3. McGreevy
4. Fitts
5. Leahy/Pallante

They then have a bunch of guys at Memphis, Mathews, Henderson, Mautz, etc that can be the next man up.

Any reliever they bring in should be capable of multiple innings/spot starts. That rotation is at HIGH risk of not being able to pile up innings. The bullpen could be toast by July if they don’t properly prepare for that.

I like the May signing and the high reward/low risk behind it, I’d just like to see them add another guy that could pile on some innings

Totally agree with this. Need mid inning relievers who can go 2+ innings. I wouldn't mind seeing this team us openers to get through the first 3 batters before deploying the starter in the hopes of getting another inning out of them.

They will get more pitching. My point in the post and some others have pointed it out, May and Fitts have more upside than Mikolas and Fedde. The risk is they cannot cover innings. They do need a veteran middle innings reliever that can pitch 60-80 innings. They will also likely add more via trade at the AAA level that is part of the next man up group. Unlike in 2025 when all the pitching depth was at AA in Springfield, all those guys will now be in Memphis. We also have our old friend Zack Thompson around who if he can return from injury, had good ML stuff.

They actually have that in Leahy. A guy who could come in and actually throw multiple innings effectively. It’s one of the reasons why I hope they will add another starter, either through trade or FA. Maybe Leahy will be fine starting but he had found a very solid niche in our bullpen. He could give you some effective late innings or could come in and give you effective multiple innings when needed.

CCard wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 19:54 pm Ugh! His stats are worse than Miles Mikolas except he has a little more strikeout potential. Tell me the Cards can't do better than this. This is embarrassing.

greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:21 pm $10 million for a 28 yr old with mlb experience and good stuff when healthy --- he gets $5 million more if he meets agreed upon thresholds. Cards have a $20 million option for an extra year if he does the unthinkable. In my business i wouldn't sign anyone to this contract but in MLB its a no brainer to me. Potential outstanding upside with very little risk with where the cards are currently financially positioned.

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:32 pm

greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:21 pm $10 million for a 28 yr old with mlb experience and good stuff when healthy --- he gets $5 million more if he meets agreed upon thresholds. Cards have a $20 million option for an extra year if he does the unthinkable. In my business i wouldn't sign anyone to this contract but in MLB its a no brainer to me. Potential outstanding upside with very little risk with where the cards are currently financially positioned.

Everyone on here should think of the May contract as a positive. First, if he fails, it is a 1 year contract and it costs the team $10M. If he succeeds, it shows the team is serious about trying to contend in 2027 because they effectively committed $35M, towards doing so. If they didn't think they had a chance in 2027, I doubt they commit $20M to an option.

A lot of people on this board wanted him as the primary target. At the time, I thought they could get him for $7-10M. I also wanted the option year and thought it would be $15-20M. Prices are going up because it hit the ceiling on all of those plus another $5M of incentives. Its a big bet by the Cards on the upside in the short term with no long term consequences. But, I don't see them doing this unless they are serious about 2027.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 19:14 pm

Web7 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:07 pmYou conveniently left out the part where if he pitched well at the end of last year, you could sign into an extension….thats what we expect from you …

That's true. I did leave out the part where he pitches well through the end of the year and the Cardinals sign a huge injury risk to a huge extension, since that is what it would take to get him agree to one.

Still an incredibly stupid idea.

greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:21 pm $10 million for a 28 yr old with mlb experience and good stuff when healthy --- he gets $5 million more if he meets agreed upon thresholds. Cards have a $20 million option for an extra year if he does the unthinkable. In my business i wouldn't sign anyone to this contract but in MLB its a no brainer to me. Potential outstanding upside with very little risk with where the cards are currently financially positioned.

greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:21 pm $10 million for a 28 yr old with mlb experience and good stuff when healthy --- he gets $5 million more if he meets agreed upon thresholds. Cards have a $20 million option for an extra year if he does the unthinkable. In my business i wouldn't sign anyone to this contract but in MLB its a no brainer to me. Potential outstanding upside with very little risk with where the cards are currently financially positioned.

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:32 pm

greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:21 pm $10 million for a 28 yr old with mlb experience and good stuff when healthy --- he gets $5 million more if he meets agreed upon thresholds. Cards have a $20 million option for an extra year if he does the unthinkable. In my business i wouldn't sign anyone to this contract but in MLB its a no brainer to me. Potential outstanding upside with very little risk with where the cards are currently financially positioned.

Everyone on here should think of the May contract as a positive. First, if he fails, it is a 1 year contract and it costs the team $10M. If he succeeds, it shows the team is serious about trying to contend in 2027 because they effectively committed $35M, towards doing so. If they didn't think they had a chance in 2027, I doubt they commit $20M to an option.

A lot of people on this board wanted him as the primary target. At the time, I thought they could get him for $7-10M. I also wanted the option year and thought it would be $15-20M. Prices are going up because it hit the ceiling on all of those plus another $5M of incentives. Its a big bet by the Cards on the upside in the short term with no long term consequences. But, I don't see them doing this unless they are serious about 2027.

brock118 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:47 pm

greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 20:21 pm $10 million for a 28 yr old with mlb experience and good stuff when healthy --- he gets $5 million more if he meets agreed upon thresholds. Cards have a $20 million option for an extra year if he does the unthinkable. In my business i wouldn't sign anyone to this contract but in MLB its a no brainer to me. Potential outstanding upside with very little risk with where the cards are currently financially positioned.

I don't think these are the numbers, this is just what one poster thought they would be. I haven't seen anything anywhere saying what the money was. If someone has that please provide a link.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 17:05 pm

RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:35 pm They have to have a remotely competitive team. People know it wont be winning baseball, but nobody wants to pay to see a White Sox, Colorado level disaster, either.

It’s not exactly like that.

They simply need arms. And they wanna find guys with high up sides that they could trade at the deadline.

No, they didn’t sign Dustin May because they’re trying to win 80 games and increase their attendance…

Melville wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:01 pm Dustin May is one of the arms a few of us here have previously stated that Bloom should sign.
Appears Bloom is doing precisely as I advised: add short erm talent to give the team a chance to compete for a W/C in 2026 while adding quality high ceiling prospect talent for the long haul.
Bloom has done that on the pitching side of the equation.
Now time for him to do as I advise on the position player side of the roster.

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:20 pm

Web7 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:14 pm I wanted him at last years trade deadline….0f course the usual simpleton’s on here ridiculed me for it

So you wanted the Cardinals, in a going nowhere season, to give up players for him at the deadline? Interesting.