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Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 16 Oct 2025 20:54 pm
by Cranny
Goldfan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 19:21 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 19:13 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 19:08 pm
Let’s take this back to the beginning…..which adds to the confusion.
Schildty worked in the Cards org for close to 20yrs??? If he was such a loose cannon temper threat don’t you think his butt would’ve been canned WAY before in lesser positions? BDW/MO and those below knew this guy for decades and not only didn’t warn of this behavior they MADE HIM CARDINALS MANAGER. How is this possible……Mr. Hyde didn’t show his face until he wore a ML managers cap?
You think maybe the stress of managing a major league team might be a little higher than coaching and managing minor leagues? Just a theory.
If you’re a lunatic with an out of control temper someone is going to see it in 20yrs in minors…..
Maybe it doesn’t show up until you’re the field boss at the highest level. Power can corrupt.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 16 Oct 2025 21:48 pm
by NYCardsFan
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
It wasn’t so much the swear words, as it was the
hair trigger violent anger he displayed.
For which your evidence is he yelled at and argued with umpires . . .
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 16 Oct 2025 21:57 pm
by Cranny
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
It wasn’t so much the swear words, as it was the
hair trigger violent anger he displayed.
For which your evidence is he yelled at and argued with umpires . . .
Yes, and so angry at times when he was ejected that he was almost out of control. It's really too bad.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 16 Oct 2025 22:08 pm
by JohnnyMO
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 16 Oct 2025 22:27 pm
by NYCardsFan
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:57 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
It wasn’t so much the swear words, as it was the
hair trigger violent anger he displayed.
For which your evidence is he yelled at and argued with umpires . . .
Yes, and so angry at times when he was ejected that he was almost out of control. It's really too bad.
Shildt had 19 ejections in 775 total games managed. That’s slightly less than 4 per season, hardly an outlier number. And relatively placid compared with Marmol’s 21 ejections in 648 games (5.3 per season). Care to give us your clinical evaluation of Marmol while you’re at it? I guess Bobby Cox (5.8 per season) and Aaron Boone (6.2 per season) should be committed.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 16 Oct 2025 22:43 pm
by freed5179
from the San Diego paper:
"His .561 winning percentage is seventh-best among men whose managerial careers extended past 1951. His teams went to the playoffs in all five of the full seasons he managed.
When his 2019 team advanced to the National League Championship Series, it ended the Cardinals’ three-year postseason drought. The Cardinals made the postseason the year after his departure, but have missed the playoffs each of the past three seasons."
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 16 Oct 2025 22:54 pm
by JuanAgosto
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:27 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:57 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
It wasn’t so much the swear words, as it was the
hair trigger violent anger he displayed.
For which your evidence is he yelled at and argued with umpires . . .
Yes, and so angry at times when he was ejected that he was almost out of control. It's really too bad.
Shildt had 19 ejections in 775 total games managed. That’s slightly less than 4 per season, hardly an outlier number. And relatively placid compared with Marmol’s 21 ejections in 648 games (5.3 per season). Care to give us your clinical evaluation of Marmol while you’re at it? I guess Bobby Cox (5.8 per season) and Aaron Boone (6.2 per season) should be committed.
Marmol's ejections often benefit the Cardinals chances. Shildt's elections were entertaining because he'd get so (upset). Chicken arms flailing, cheeks puffed out and red. You know that guy was spitting his tobacco all over the ump!
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 07:39 am
by Cranny
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:54 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:27 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:57 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
It wasn’t so much the swear words, as it was the
hair trigger violent anger he displayed.
For which your evidence is he yelled at and argued with umpires . . .
Yes, and so angry at times when he was ejected that he was almost out of control. It's really too bad.
Shildt had 19 ejections in 775 total games managed. That’s slightly less than 4 per season, hardly an outlier number. And relatively placid compared with Marmol’s 21 ejections in 648 games (5.3 per season). Care to give us your clinical evaluation of Marmol while you’re at it? I guess Bobby Cox (5.8 per season) and Aaron Boone (6.2 per season) should be committed.
Marmol's ejections often benefit the Cardinals chances. Shildt's elections were entertaining because he'd get so (upset) off. Chicken arms flailing, cheeks puffed out and red. You know that guy was spitting his tobacco all over the ump!
Exactly.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 08:59 am
by icon
Cranny wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 07:39 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:54 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:27 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:57 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
It wasn’t so much the swear words, as it was the
hair trigger violent anger he displayed.
For which your evidence is he yelled at and argued with umpires . . .
Yes, and so angry at times when he was ejected that he was almost out of control. It's really too bad.
Shildt had 19 ejections in 775 total games managed. That’s slightly less than 4 per season, hardly an outlier number. And relatively placid compared with Marmol’s 21 ejections in 648 games (5.3 per season). Care to give us your clinical evaluation of Marmol while you’re at it? I guess Bobby Cox (5.8 per season) and Aaron Boone (6.2 per season) should be committed.
Marmol's ejections often benefit the Cardinals chances. Shildt's elections were entertaining because he'd get so (upset) off. Chicken arms flailing, cheeks puffed out and red. You know that guy was spitting his tobacco all over the ump!
Exactly.
I don't think you got his point about Oli's being ejected.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 09:08 am
by Melville
icon wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 08:59 am
Cranny wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 07:39 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:54 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:27 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:57 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
It wasn’t so much the swear words, as it was the
hair trigger violent anger he displayed.
For which your evidence is he yelled at and argued with umpires . . .
Yes, and so angry at times when he was ejected that he was almost out of control. It's really too bad.
Shildt had 19 ejections in 775 total games managed. That’s slightly less than 4 per season, hardly an outlier number. And relatively placid compared with Marmol’s 21 ejections in 648 games (5.3 per season). Care to give us your clinical evaluation of Marmol while you’re at it? I guess Bobby Cox (5.8 per season) and Aaron Boone (6.2 per season) should be committed.
Marmol's ejections often benefit the Cardinals chances. Shildt's elections were entertaining because he'd get so (upset) off. Chicken arms flailing, cheeks puffed out and red. You know that guy was spitting his tobacco all over the ump!
Exactly.
I don't think you got his point about Oli's being ejected.
The Marmot gets ejected for performance theatre.
There is nothing genuine when he gets tossed.
He does it for the camera - nothing else.
No umpire takes him seriously, as is obvious to anyone who watches the games.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 09:10 am
by Melville
freed5179 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:43 pm
from the San Diego paper:
"His .561 winning percentage is seventh-best among men whose managerial careers extended past 1951. His teams went to the playoffs in all five of the full seasons he managed.
When his 2019 team advanced to the National League Championship Series, it ended the Cardinals’ three-year postseason drought. The Cardinals made the postseason the year after his departure, but have missed the playoffs each of the past three seasons."
There is that one detail.
The guy does win.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 10:35 am
by Cranny
icon wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 08:59 am
Cranny wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 07:39 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:54 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:27 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:57 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
It wasn’t so much the swear words, as it was the
hair trigger violent anger he displayed.
For which your evidence is he yelled at and argued with umpires . . .
Yes, and so angry at times when he was ejected that he was almost out of control. It's really too bad.
Shildt had 19 ejections in 775 total games managed. That’s slightly less than 4 per season, hardly an outlier number. And relatively placid compared with Marmol’s 21 ejections in 648 games (5.3 per season). Care to give us your clinical evaluation of Marmol while you’re at it? I guess Bobby Cox (5.8 per season) and Aaron Boone (6.2 per season) should be committed.
Marmol's ejections often benefit the Cardinals chances. Shildt's elections were entertaining because he'd get so (upset) off. Chicken arms flailing, cheeks puffed out and red. You know that guy was spitting his tobacco all over the ump!
Exactly.
I don't think you got his point about Oli's being ejected.
Sure I did. And it didn’t matter how many time Shildt got ejected vs. others, it was the rage and fury of his anger.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 15:01 pm
by The Nard
WLTFE wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 18:31 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
...+1...hard to believe anyone could be that naive.
I heard that Earl Weaver is now teaching coaching etiquette.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 16:26 pm
by WLTFE
The Nard wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 15:01 pm
WLTFE wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 18:31 pm
Banner29 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:41 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:37 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:27 pm
11WSChamps wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 17:03 pm
Thread is just a runaway train full of assumptions.
Two facts. When he got mad at umpires and got on their face
shrieking F bombs, it wasn’t good. Had a hair trigger for anger. And the clubhouse video that was leaked showed a whole different side of him.
My thoughts exactly. He actually believes it’s uncommon(and possibly even demonic) for pro athletes/coaches(aka a group of dudes) to use swear words.
...+1...hard to believe anyone could be that naive.
I heard that Earl Weaver is now teaching coaching etiquette.
There are always a few grannies who get shocked whenever they find out athletes talk like real people...
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 17:42 pm
by Cranny
That’s ridiculous. Challenging the umpire to a fight?
I’m surprised he wasn’t fined and suspended for several games.
Re: So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt
Posted: 17 Oct 2025 17:46 pm
by dugoutrex
Melville wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 09:10 am
freed5179 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:43 pm
from the San Diego paper:
"His .561 winning percentage is seventh-best among men whose managerial careers extended past 1951. His teams went to the playoffs in all five of the full seasons he managed.
When his 2019 team advanced to the National League Championship Series, it ended the Cardinals’ three-year postseason drought. The Cardinals made the postseason the year after his departure, but have missed the playoffs each of the past three seasons."
There is that one detail.
The guy does win.
what's his playoff record ?
...+1...hard to believe anyone could be that naive.