Doyle MLB ready?

[Goldfan]

I wonder if the cardinals drafted this kid with the intention of throwing him in the bullpen this year?

A few analysts on ESPN said this is the one kid who could be MLB ready immediately

I'm really interested to see if the new C. Bloom/R. Cerfolio team brings up players like JJW & now Doyle at a much faster pace than Mo.

Doyle is already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby.

Let's hope he's dynamite in STing and forces his way onto the OD roster.

At worse he's only at Memphis a short while, kicks a z z and is here before Memorial Day.

I'm interested in seeing how aggressive they are, as well. That said, I do not see a world where this kid breaks opening camp with the 2026 club. Chase burns, who was equally as dynamite and much more polished didn't break camp

You never know tlr

He's a 21 year old with two years of SEC (the best) ball under his belt.

If he kicks a z z this spring, then I see no reason he can't break camp.

If that is the hope, all the more reason to give him 4 starts or so at Springfield in August. He might realistically make it to the majors next year, but breaking camp seems wildly optimistic. He does need some work on his secondary pitches. 3 weeks in Jupiter working with coaches, a few starts at Springfield and then 7-8 starts in Memphis might be enough. But pitchers tend to need some time working on not tipping pitches, working on motion consistency between pitches and really having 3 good pitches to be a major league starter. Getting all that worked out in 10-15 minor league starts seems optimistic. I really think the Cards window should open in 2027. Wetherholdt, Mathews, McGreevy, Crooks and maybe Roby should all have one years experience in the majors to start 2027. Then if Doyle, Bernal and Baez make the team in 2027, the Cards should have graduated the guys who could be stars to the roster in 2027.

Even Misioroski spent 3.5 years in the Brewers minor league system before making his debut this year. He was a year younger when drafted. BTW, how did the Cards miss on him, with him being a MO boy...

Sounds great to me ICC

I'm NOT predicting he'll break camp and be on the OD roster.

Just said if he kicks a z z and they feel he's got the secondary stuff (we know he's got the gas) to get ML hitters out, then he's got a chance to break camp.

IMO he's already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby and McGreevy.

Even if McGreevy is in the 2026 SR, there's still going to be an open slot (Gray, Libby, Pallante, McG, ????).

Is Q. Mathews healthy and ready? Maybe

But w/a great STing you'd have to think twice about Doyle.

Many are saying this kid has the best stuff in this years draft, this isn't something we're use to seeing in a Cardinals pitcher draft pick!

Like JJW, he's TOP SHELF again something we're not use to from our draft picks given how low the Cards have usually drafted the past 25 years.

I think we see a totally different approach from C. Bloom than we saw from Mo, perhaps a bit more willing to push the envelop than the extra cautious Mo?

Can't wait to see what happens next spring w/JJW and Doyle.

Is this not playing youngsters until its too late really warranted? Cardinals played Jordan Walker at a young age. One big bash is rushing Rosenthal and Hicks to one pitch closers instead of letting them develop secondary pitchers as starters. Has there been a pitcher with multi pitches almost dominating the minors the cards refused to call up? I think the answer might not be "too conservative" but just "not that good"?

Walker wasn't ready, a massive failure by Mo and his staff not to put him in the OF much sooner while down below. Then they started messing w/his swing to get more lift and well.............we both know what happened.

But Walker doesn't possess JJW's hitting skills, JJ is miles ahead of him.

Same w/Rosey (21st round pick) and Hicks (3rd round high school pick), they're not on the same prospect level as Doyle nor did they have his SEC college experience.

As for your question, "... Has there been a pitcher with multi pitches almost dominating the minors the cards refused to call up"?

Yes, this year: Michael McGreevy (1st round pick).

Frank Thomas was on the WSox postgame with Ozzie Guillen and he was very strongly saying that whoever is telling all these young hitters to hit the ball in the air are idiots. The best and fasted way to hitting .220 he said. Will Clark says the same thing. The clip is on X

[rockondlouie]

I wonder if the cardinals drafted this kid with the intention of throwing him in the bullpen this year?

A few analysts on ESPN said this is the one kid who could be MLB ready immediately

I'm really interested to see if the new C. Bloom/R. Cerfolio team brings up players like JJW & now Doyle at a much faster pace than Mo.

Doyle is already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby.

Let's hope he's dynamite in STing and forces his way onto the OD roster.

At worse he's only at Memphis a short while, kicks a z z and is here before Memorial Day.

I'm interested in seeing how aggressive they are, as well. That said, I do not see a world where this kid breaks opening camp with the 2026 club. Chase burns, who was equally as dynamite and much more polished didn't break camp

You never know tlr

He's a 21 year old with two years of SEC (the best) ball under his belt.

If he kicks a z z this spring, then I see no reason he can't break camp.

If that is the hope, all the more reason to give him 4 starts or so at Springfield in August. He might realistically make it to the majors next year, but breaking camp seems wildly optimistic. He does need some work on his secondary pitches. 3 weeks in Jupiter working with coaches, a few starts at Springfield and then 7-8 starts in Memphis might be enough. But pitchers tend to need some time working on not tipping pitches, working on motion consistency between pitches and really having 3 good pitches to be a major league starter. Getting all that worked out in 10-15 minor league starts seems optimistic. I really think the Cards window should open in 2027. Wetherholdt, Mathews, McGreevy, Crooks and maybe Roby should all have one years experience in the majors to start 2027. Then if Doyle, Bernal and Baez make the team in 2027, the Cards should have graduated the guys who could be stars to the roster in 2027.

Even Misioroski spent 3.5 years in the Brewers minor league system before making his debut this year. He was a year younger when drafted. BTW, how did the Cards miss on him, with him being a MO boy...

Sounds great to me ICC

I'm NOT predicting he'll break camp and be on the OD roster.

Just said if he kicks a z z and they feel he's got the secondary stuff (we know he's got the gas) to get ML hitters out, then he's got a chance to break camp.

IMO he's already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby and McGreevy.

Even if McGreevy is in the 2026 SR, there's still going to be an open slot (Gray, Libby, Pallante, McG, ????).

Is Q. Mathews healthy and ready? Maybe

But w/a great STing you'd have to think twice about Doyle.

Many are saying this kid has the best stuff in this years draft, this isn't something we're use to seeing in a Cardinals pitcher draft pick!

Like JJW, he's TOP SHELF again something we're not use to from our draft picks given how low the Cards have usually drafted the past 25 years.

I think we see a totally different approach from C. Bloom than we saw from Mo, perhaps a bit more willing to push the envelop than the extra cautious Mo?

Can't wait to see what happens next spring w/JJW and Doyle.

Is this not playing youngsters until its too late really warranted? Cardinals played Jordan Walker at a young age. One big bash is rushing Rosenthal and Hicks to one pitch closers instead of letting them develop secondary pitchers as starters. Has there been a pitcher with multi pitches almost dominating the minors the cards refused to call up? I think the answer might not be "too conservative" but just "not that good"?

Walker wasn't ready, a massive failure by Mo and his staff not to put him in the OF much sooner while down below. Then they started messing w/his swing to get more lift and well.............we both know what happened.

But Walker doesn't possess JJW's hitting skills, JJ is miles ahead of him.

Same w/Rosey (21st round pick) and Hicks (3rd round high school pick), they're not on the same prospect level as Doyle nor did they have his SEC college experience.

As for your question, "... Has there been a pitcher with multi pitches almost dominating the minors the cards refused to call up"?

Yes, this year: Michael McGreevy (1st round pick).

Frank Thomas was on the WSox postgame with Ozzie Guillen and he was very strongly saying that whoever is telling all these young hitters to hit the ball in the air are idiots. The best and fasted way to hitting .220 he said. Will Clark says the same thing. The clip is on X

[ICCFIM2]

I wonder if the cardinals drafted this kid with the intention of throwing him in the bullpen this year?

A few analysts on ESPN said this is the one kid who could be MLB ready immediately

I'm really interested to see if the new C. Bloom/R. Cerfolio team brings up players like JJW & now Doyle at a much faster pace than Mo.

Doyle is already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby.

Let's hope he's dynamite in STing and forces his way onto the OD roster.

At worse he's only at Memphis a short while, kicks a z z and is here before Memorial Day.

I'm interested in seeing how aggressive they are, as well. That said, I do not see a world where this kid breaks opening camp with the 2026 club. Chase burns, who was equally as dynamite and much more polished didn't break camp

You never know tlr

He's a 21 year old with two years of SEC (the best) ball under his belt.

If he kicks a z z this spring, then I see no reason he can't break camp.

If that is the hope, all the more reason to give him 4 starts or so at Springfield in August. He might realistically make it to the majors next year, but breaking camp seems wildly optimistic. He does need some work on his secondary pitches. 3 weeks in Jupiter working with coaches, a few starts at Springfield and then 7-8 starts in Memphis might be enough. But pitchers tend to need some time working on not tipping pitches, working on motion consistency between pitches and really having 3 good pitches to be a major league starter. Getting all that worked out in 10-15 minor league starts seems optimistic. I really think the Cards window should open in 2027. Wetherholdt, Mathews, McGreevy, Crooks and maybe Roby should all have one years experience in the majors to start 2027. Then if Doyle, Bernal and Baez make the team in 2027, the Cards should have graduated the guys who could be stars to the roster in 2027.

Even Misioroski spent 3.5 years in the Brewers minor league system before making his debut this year. He was a year younger when drafted. BTW, how did the Cards miss on him, with him being a MO boy...

Sounds great to me ICC

I'm NOT predicting he'll break camp and be on the OD roster.

Just said if he kicks a z z and they feel he's got the secondary stuff (we know he's got the gas) to get ML hitters out, then he's got a chance to break camp.

IMO he's already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby and McGreevy.

Even if McGreevy is in the 2026 SR, there's still going to be an open slot (Gray, Libby, Pallante, McG, ????).

Is Q. Mathews healthy and ready? Maybe

But w/a great STing you'd have to think twice about Doyle.

Many are saying this kid has the best stuff in this years draft, this isn't something we're use to seeing in a Cardinals pitcher draft pick!

Like JJW, he's TOP SHELF again something we're not use to from our draft picks given how low the Cards have usually drafted the past 25 years.

I think we see a totally different approach from C. Bloom than we saw from Mo, perhaps a bit more willing to push the envelop than the extra cautious Mo?

Can't wait to see what happens next spring w/JJW and Doyle.

I am super excited about the pick as well. We finally have a guy who might be the TOR pitcher we have needed since AW was no longer that. I just don't see any need to rush him since I don't think the team can legitimately contend next year. I do want them to legitimately contend in 2027.

I am assuming either Mathews or Roby will win the fifth spot next year with the loser of that competition being the next man up.

I am really hoping the Cards are able to trade Arenado. I would like to see an infield next year or even this year of Wetherholdt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras. I don't care which of Donovan or Wetherholdt play 3B. I am also fine with them trading Contreras as well and parking Burleson at 1B. Contreras has shown decline this year as well. It is a bit too LH heavy, especially if Gorman is the utility guy. But, at least it is a young group with upside potential. They do need a RH OF...

We really do in Doyle.

I haven't been this jacked about a pitcher since they drafted R. Ankiel who I thought was going to be a sure fire FOTR starter.

"Q" could indeed be that guy, Roby too but they have to stay healthy before I ink them in.

JJ's headed to 2nd base (IMO), Donny probably to LF unless Bloom acquires an OFer.

Willy's not going anywhere, NTC and he loves it here and I'm a big fan as well.

I like both Arenado and Contreras. I just understand that the window for the Cards to win with either of them on the roster is closing/closed. I would like both Contreras and in particular Arenado to get a chance at the WS in the next 2 years. I think moving them is good for both sides.

In terms of 3B, I don't think we have another 3B in the system, hence I indicated what I did. Perhaps Gorman will surprise us and fulfill his talent. He is quietly having a decent June/July. My big thing is collecting 800+ OPS hitters, hence my desire to have both Donovan and Wetherholdt.

[imetsatchelpaige]

All right, my friends, answer this question: how many major league players have made the jump from high school or college directly to the majors? Second question: how many of them were pitchers?
Go ahead-I’m listening.

G. Crochett
R. Johnson (Angels , Not the Big Unit)

Also
M. Leake
J. Abbott
D. Dreifort
M. Morgan
T. Conroy

I don't think S. Koufax played minor league ball, neither did D. Winfield, B. Horner, P. Incavelia or J. Olerud.

And who can forget D. Clyde!

OK-interesting.
Just for fun, I pulled 4 of those names at random and looked at lifetime stats.
Ready??

Johnson: 2025 rookie stats: 1-1 7.36 ERA
Dreifort: 48-60 4.36 ERA (10 seasons)
Conroy: 18-32 -2.6 WAR
Morgan: 141-186 4.32 ERA

Any more questions on the wisdom of rookie pitchers skipping A/AA/AAA?

[riff raff]

All right, my friends, answer this question: how many major league players have made the jump from high school or college directly to the majors? Second question: how many of them were pitchers?
Go ahead-I’m listening.

G. Crochett
R. Johnson (Angels , Not the Big Unit)

Also
M. Leake
J. Abbott
D. Dreifort
M. Morgan
T. Conroy

I don't think S. Koufax played minor league ball, neither did D. Winfield, B. Horner, P. Incavelia or J. Olerud.

And who can forget D. Clyde!

OK-interesting.
Just for fun, I pulled 4 of those names at random and looked at lifetime stats.
Ready??

Johnson: 2025 rookie stats: 1-1 7.36 ERA
Dreifort: 48-60 4.36 ERA (10 seasons)
Conroy: 18-32 -2.6 WAR
Morgan: 141-186 4.32 ERA

Any more questions on the wisdom of rookie pitchers skipping A/AA/AAA?

yikes

[ScotchMIrish]

I wonder if the cardinals drafted this kid with the intention of throwing him in the bullpen this year?

A few analysts on ESPN said this is the one kid who could be MLB ready immediately

I'm really interested to see if the new C. Bloom/R. Cerfolio team brings up players like JJW & now Doyle at a much faster pace than Mo.

Doyle is already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby.

Let's hope he's dynamite in STing and forces his way onto the OD roster.

At worse he's only at Memphis a short while, kicks a z z and is here before Memorial Day.

I'm interested in seeing how aggressive they are, as well. That said, I do not see a world where this kid breaks opening camp with the 2026 club. Chase burns, who was equally as dynamite and much more polished didn't break camp

You never know tlr

He's a 21 year old with two years of SEC (the best) ball under his belt.

If he kicks a z z this spring, then I see no reason he can't break camp.

If that is the hope, all the more reason to give him 4 starts or so at Springfield in August. He might realistically make it to the majors next year, but breaking camp seems wildly optimistic. He does need some work on his secondary pitches. 3 weeks in Jupiter working with coaches, a few starts at Springfield and then 7-8 starts in Memphis might be enough. But pitchers tend to need some time working on not tipping pitches, working on motion consistency between pitches and really having 3 good pitches to be a major league starter. Getting all that worked out in 10-15 minor league starts seems optimistic. I really think the Cards window should open in 2027. Wetherholdt, Mathews, McGreevy, Crooks and maybe Roby should all have one years experience in the majors to start 2027. Then if Doyle, Bernal and Baez make the team in 2027, the Cards should have graduated the guys who could be stars to the roster in 2027.

Even Misioroski spent 3.5 years in the Brewers minor league system before making his debut this year. He was a year younger when drafted. BTW, how did the Cards miss on him, with him being a MO boy...

Sounds great to me ICC

I'm NOT predicting he'll break camp and be on the OD roster.

Just said if he kicks a z z and they feel he's got the secondary stuff (we know he's got the gas) to get ML hitters out, then he's got a chance to break camp.

IMO he's already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby and McGreevy.

Even if McGreevy is in the 2026 SR, there's still going to be an open slot (Gray, Libby, Pallante, McG, ????).

Is Q. Mathews healthy and ready? Maybe

But w/a great STing you'd have to think twice about Doyle.

Many are saying this kid has the best stuff in this years draft, this isn't something we're use to seeing in a Cardinals pitcher draft pick!

Like JJW, he's TOP SHELF again something we're not use to from our draft picks given how low the Cards have usually drafted the past 25 years.

I think we see a totally different approach from C. Bloom than we saw from Mo, perhaps a bit more willing to push the envelop than the extra cautious Mo?

Can't wait to see what happens next spring w/JJW and Doyle.

Is this not playing youngsters until its too late really warranted? Cardinals played Jordan Walker at a young age. One big bash is rushing Rosenthal and Hicks to one pitch closers instead of letting them develop secondary pitchers as starters. Has there been a pitcher with multi pitches almost dominating the minors the cards refused to call up? I think the answer might not be "too conservative" but just "not that good"?

Walker wasn't ready, a massive failure by Mo and his staff not to put him in the OF much sooner while down below. Then they started messing w/his swing to get more lift and well.............we both know what happened.

But Walker doesn't possess JJW's hitting skills, JJ is miles ahead of him.

Same w/Rosey (21st round pick) and Hicks (3rd round high school pick), they're not on the same prospect level as Doyle nor did they have his SEC college experience.

As for your question, "... Has there been a pitcher with multi pitches almost dominating the minors the cards refused to call up"?

Yes, this year: Michael McGreevy (1st round pick).Walker is struggling to lay off pitches outside of the zone and hit the ball in the air. Gorman is struggling to make consistent contact.

Frank Thomas was on the WSox postgame with Ozzie Guillen and he was very strongly saying that whoever is telling all these young hitters to hit the ball in the air are idiots. The best and fasted way to hitting .220 he said. Will Clark says the same thing. The clip is on X

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/634142 ... on-season/

"Walker is struggling to lay off pitches outside of the zone and hit the ball in the air. Gorman is struggling to make consistent contact."

.....

Is that why they sent him down during his rookie season when he was hitting? If so then Bloom needs to step in or hire someone who will. Get back to baseball and away from the computer analytics.

[RunSup]

I wonder if the cardinals drafted this kid with the intention of throwing him in the bullpen this year?

A few analysts on ESPN said this is the one kid who could be MLB ready immediately

So who will be better him or Hernandez? No one cares when they are “ready” we need highest upside

In the cardinals case- I think it was more on who is cheaper than who has more upside

How are they saving money? Every year, they spend the entire draft budget.

Plus they consistently go over by the allowed 5% without penalty. No complaints on how much they spend on the draft. The question over the years is who they are drafting.

Wetherholt was a HR last year. I like Doyle, Mitchell, and Franklin this year. Time will tell.

[rockondlouie]

All right, my friends, answer this question: how many major league players have made the jump from high school or college directly to the majors? Second question: how many of them were pitchers?
Go ahead-I’m listening.

G. Crochett
R. Johnson (Angels , Not the Big Unit)

Also
M. Leake
J. Abbott
D. Dreifort
M. Morgan
T. Conroy

I don't think S. Koufax played minor league ball, neither did D. Winfield, B. Horner, P. Incavelia or J. Olerud.

And who can forget D. Clyde!

OK-interesting.
Just for fun, I pulled 4 of those names at random and looked at lifetime stats.
Ready??

Johnson: 2025 rookie stats: 1-1 7.36 ERA
Dreifort: 48-60 4.36 ERA (10 seasons)
Conroy: 18-32 -2.6 WAR
Morgan: 141-186 4.32 ERA

Any more questions on the wisdom of rookie pitchers skipping A/AA/AAA?

Cherry picking satch, nothing "random" about your picks.

Just for fun........

-Koufax
Career 397 G/314 GS
2.76 ERA
Hall of Fame

-Crochett
Career 124G/52 GS
2.89 ERA

-Abbott
First 211 GS
3.77 ERA

-Leake
First 177 G/172 GS
3.88 ERA

Any more questions on why a standout pitcher can skip A/AA/AAA?

BTW

-Driefort got hurt and missed his entire second year, never the same after the injury.

-Morgan had a 3.87 ERA his from 1978 debut - 1992 (Age 32 season)

[rockondlouie]

I wonder if the cardinals drafted this kid with the intention of throwing him in the bullpen this year?

A few analysts on ESPN said this is the one kid who could be MLB ready immediately

I'm really interested to see if the new C. Bloom/R. Cerfolio team brings up players like JJW & now Doyle at a much faster pace than Mo.

Doyle is already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby.

Let's hope he's dynamite in STing and forces his way onto the OD roster.

At worse he's only at Memphis a short while, kicks a z z and is here before Memorial Day.

I'm interested in seeing how aggressive they are, as well. That said, I do not see a world where this kid breaks opening camp with the 2026 club. Chase burns, who was equally as dynamite and much more polished didn't break camp

You never know tlr

He's a 21 year old with two years of SEC (the best) ball under his belt.

If he kicks a z z this spring, then I see no reason he can't break camp.

If that is the hope, all the more reason to give him 4 starts or so at Springfield in August. He might realistically make it to the majors next year, but breaking camp seems wildly optimistic. He does need some work on his secondary pitches. 3 weeks in Jupiter working with coaches, a few starts at Springfield and then 7-8 starts in Memphis might be enough. But pitchers tend to need some time working on not tipping pitches, working on motion consistency between pitches and really having 3 good pitches to be a major league starter. Getting all that worked out in 10-15 minor league starts seems optimistic. I really think the Cards window should open in 2027. Wetherholdt, Mathews, McGreevy, Crooks and maybe Roby should all have one years experience in the majors to start 2027. Then if Doyle, Bernal and Baez make the team in 2027, the Cards should have graduated the guys who could be stars to the roster in 2027.

Even Misioroski spent 3.5 years in the Brewers minor league system before making his debut this year. He was a year younger when drafted. BTW, how did the Cards miss on him, with him being a MO boy...

Sounds great to me ICC

I'm NOT predicting he'll break camp and be on the OD roster.

Just said if he kicks a z z and they feel he's got the secondary stuff (we know he's got the gas) to get ML hitters out, then he's got a chance to break camp.

IMO he's already better than A. Pallante, perhaps even Libby and McGreevy.

Even if McGreevy is in the 2026 SR, there's still going to be an open slot (Gray, Libby, Pallante, McG, ????).

Is Q. Mathews healthy and ready? Maybe

But w/a great STing you'd have to think twice about Doyle.

Many are saying this kid has the best stuff in this years draft, this isn't something we're use to seeing in a Cardinals pitcher draft pick!

Like JJW, he's TOP SHELF again something we're not use to from our draft picks given how low the Cards have usually drafted the past 25 years.

I think we see a totally different approach from C. Bloom than we saw from Mo, perhaps a bit more willing to push the envelop than the extra cautious Mo?

Can't wait to see what happens next spring w/JJW and Doyle.

I am super excited about the pick as well. We finally have a guy who might be the TOR pitcher we have needed since AW was no longer that. I just don't see any need to rush him since I don't think the team can legitimately contend next year. I do want them to legitimately contend in 2027.

I am assuming either Mathews or Roby will win the fifth spot next year with the loser of that competition being the next man up.

I am really hoping the Cards are able to trade Arenado. I would like to see an infield next year or even this year of Wetherholdt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras. I don't care which of Donovan or Wetherholdt play 3B. I am also fine with them trading Contreras as well and parking Burleson at 1B. Contreras has shown decline this year as well. It is a bit too LH heavy, especially if Gorman is the utility guy. But, at least it is a young group with upside potential. They do need a RH OF...

We really do in Doyle.

I haven't been this jacked about a pitcher since they drafted R. Ankiel who I thought was going to be a sure fire FOTR starter.

"Q" could indeed be that guy, Roby too but they have to stay healthy before I ink them in.

JJ's headed to 2nd base (IMO), Donny probably to LF unless Bloom acquires an OFer.

Willy's not going anywhere, NTC and he loves it here and I'm a big fan as well.

I like both Arenado and Contreras. I just understand that the window for the Cards to win with either of them on the roster is closing/closed. I would like both Contreras and in particular Arenado to get a chance at the WS in the next 2 years. I think moving them is good for both sides.

In terms of 3B, I don't think we have another 3B in the system, hence I indicated what I did. Perhaps Gorman will surprise us and fulfill his talent. He is quietly having a decent June/July. My big thing is collecting 800+ OPS hitters, hence my desire to have both Donovan and Wetherholdt.

But both have NTC's and we already know Willy's not going anywhere per his own words.

And I don't see NADO opting out either unless the Dodgers come calling (and contrary to what some in here say he really loves playing here).

The only 3rd basemen we have who fits the profile (power bat) is N. Gorman.

JJW is ticketed for 2nd base (some are even floating SS w/Winn dangled for pitching), I'd give Donny an extension this offseason and plant him in the OF (especially if Bloom moves on from Noot).