What will it take to fill the stands?

[12xu]

What gets them back school is over and Detroit in town. I bet there’s a crowd.

IF it weren't for the stormy and rainy weather predicted for today and tomorrow, I believe you are correct.

[sikeston bulldog2]

What gets them back school is over and Detroit in town. I bet there’s a crowd.

IF it weren't for the stormy and rainy weather predicted for today and tomorrow, I believe you are correct.

Yea I was watching radar. I bet with recent tornado, there’s more caution when a storm gets neat or predicted.

[CorneliusWolfe]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

Well Marshall...I'd say three key ingredients here...

1. A return to winning baseball.
2. Better weather.
3. Summer vacation (kids out of school).

Shady-Guy, is that you? Just be yourself buddy. You’re an odd duck but we don’t hate you. Except maybe Scouty.

Cardinal fans not BFIB. Maybe best fans “of” baseball. No one appreciates hard-nosed and fundamentally sound play and recognizes when it’s not than STL fans.

BFIB? Hate to say it but probably Cub fans. No matter how bad they are they pack the house. You don’t earn the name “Loveable Losers” for nothing.

Myth.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/cubsatte.shtml

With a max capacity around 41K, the chart seems to support my take as they often exceed 80 and even 90% over last 20 years. I didn’t specify timeframes though so maybe I’m guilty of moving the goalposts on you. Either way, thanks for supporting link. Keeps me honest!

[12xu]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

Well Marshall...I'd say three key ingredients here...

1. A return to winning baseball.
2. Better weather.
3. Summer vacation (kids out of school).

Shady-Guy, is that you? Just be yourself buddy. You’re an odd duck but we don’t hate you. Except maybe Scouty.

Cardinal fans not BFIB. Maybe best fans “of” baseball. No one appreciates hard-nosed and fundamentally sound play and recognizes when it’s not than STL fans.

BFIB? Hate to say it but probably Cub fans. No matter how bad they are they pack the house. You don’t earn the name “Loveable Losers” for nothing.

Myth.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/cubsatte.shtml

With a max capacity around 41K, the chart seems to support my take as they often exceed 80 and even 90% over last 20 years. I didn’t specify timeframes though so maybe I’m guilty of moving the goalposts on you. Either way, thanks for supporting link. Keeps me honest!

Last 20 years they have had excellent crowds at Wrigley, since they have had winning records for the most part. When they were losing consistently in the many seasons prior, they did not draw very well.

[Bob39]

School is getting out, the team's positive play appears to be more than a hot streak, if the weather will cooperate the crowds will pick up soon.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Playoff baseball?

[Pura Vida]

This organization basically dared the fans to stop showing up. Then Mo spent months saying the only thing he could think of to improve the club was to give away an all-star player--and then he failed to do that.

I dunno...maybe some people aren't willing to buy in already in May.

Mo isn't making any sudden moves until the trade deadline. Why should we?

Good points...sure seemed like they threw in the towel before the first game. It was clearly a cash dump. And yes, it is early. If they are playing well in July, it could get interesting.

[Bushiro]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

A different downtown and an economy not plaguing consumers with a high cost of goods and services might help as well.

Your second point may be one to watch as Wal Mart announced on national news that by end of month they will be raising prices due to the tariffs .
Possibly some of that increase would have gone to buying tix for a Cardinal game ? Who knows

Total scam...most have been removed...Walmart greed

[Baseball Savant]

not on a Monday night

[hmoss859]

It will take a good while to get back the weekday crowds. Tone-deaf organization finally got an earful and eyeful.

[Dazepster]

This organization basically dared the fans to stop showing up. Then Mo spent months saying the only thing he could think of to improve the club was to give away an all-star player--and then he failed to do that.

I dunno...maybe some people aren't willing to buy in already in May.

Mo isn't making any sudden moves until the trade deadline. Why should we?

Good points...sure seemed like they threw in the towel before the first game. It was clearly a cash dump. And yes, it is early. If they are playing well in July, it could get interesting.

Have No Confidence In Ownership!!!

Will get my Cardinal Fix via Free Avenues and VIA CT.

Will not spend a Plum Nickel otherwise. Though I do need a new cap and a coupla shirts. Blows.

DollaBill, sadly, is as checked out as you know who was for the last 4 years, if not longer. The farly flung from the tree apple could give 2 craps about the Team or it's fanbase, and that means us.

Will wait em out, as I had to do Post Gussie, for a bit.

I Thank Bill for a Great Run and a Return to Relevance. It was a Glorious Run all Things Considered. Sure, could have stepped up or out a bit more in the Post TLR Days but hard to complain Net Net.

But similar to the Sun and the English Empire, The Sun has set on DeWitts Fine Stewardship of our Heirloom franchise.

And the lesser, much lesser DeWitt, has turned us into a McMahon/Feld Production. And the Crowds, or should I say lack of crowds, are responding in kind.

Time for New Ownership.

[WLTFE]

This organization basically dared the fans to stop showing up. Then Mo spent months saying the only thing he could think of to improve the club was to give away an all-star player--and then he failed to do that.

I dunno...maybe some people aren't willing to buy in already in May.

Mo isn't making any sudden moves until the trade deadline. Why should we?

Good points...sure seemed like they threw in the towel before the first game. It was clearly a cash dump. And yes, it is early. If they are playing well in July, it could get interesting.

Have No Confidence In Ownership!!!

Will get my Cardinal Fix via Free Avenues and VIA CT.

Will not spend a Plum Nickel otherwise. Though I do need a new cap and a coupla shirts. Blows.

DollaBill, sadly, is as checked out as you know who was for the last 4 years, if not longer. The farly flung from the tree apple could give 2 craps about the Team or it's fanbase, and that means us.

Will wait em out, as I had to do Post Gussie, for a bit.

I Thank Bill for a Great Run and a Return to Relevance. It was a Glorious Run all Things Considered. Sure, could have stepped up or out a bit more in the Post TLR Days but hard to complain Net Net.

But similar to the Sun and the English Empire, The Sun has set on DeWitts Fine Stewardship of our Heirloom franchise.

And the lesser, much lesser DeWitt, has turned us into a McMahon/Feld Production. And the Crowds, or should I say lack of crowds, are responding in kind.

Time for New Ownership.

Oh my...the front office (donkey) kissers will be here to defend DeTwit and Mo-ran!

[Dazepster]

This organization basically dared the fans to stop showing up. Then Mo spent months saying the only thing he could think of to improve the club was to give away an all-star player--and then he failed to do that.

I dunno...maybe some people aren't willing to buy in already in May.

Mo isn't making any sudden moves until the trade deadline. Why should we?

Good points...sure seemed like they threw in the towel before the first game. It was clearly a cash dump. And yes, it is early. If they are playing well in July, it could get interesting.

Have No Confidence In Ownership!!!

Will get my Cardinal Fix via Free Avenues and VIA CT.

Will not spend a Plum Nickel otherwise. Though I do need a new cap and a coupla shirts. Blows.

DollaBill, sadly, is as checked out as you know who was for the last 4 years, if not longer. The farly flung from the tree apple could give 2 craps about the Team or it's fanbase, and that means us.

Will wait em out, as I had to do Post Gussie, for a bit.

I Thank Bill for a Great Run and a Return to Relevance. It was a Glorious Run all Things Considered. Sure, could have stepped up or out a bit more in the Post TLR Days but hard to complain Net Net.

But similar to the Sun and the English Empire, The Sun has set on DeWitts Fine Stewardship of our Heirloom franchise.

And the lesser, much lesser DeWitt, has turned us into a McMahon/Feld Production. And the Crowds, or should I say lack of crowds, are responding in kind.

Time for New Ownership.

Oh my...the front office (donkey) kissers will be here to defend DeTwit and Mo-ran!

It is what it is.

Reality
As the Dad checked out and the son checked in our fortunes increasingly diminished.

And the attitude was basically G[od] F[orgives] Y[ou].

At least the Dad would schmooze you as he picked your pockets.

The Much Lesser DeTwitt could give eff all about baseball, it's fans, his own team, his own fan base, outside of ways to monetize it further without having to actually improve the team in the process.

Do you see it any different???

[Midrange Jay]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.

Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.

My apologies, shot and paralyzed, because that is much better

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other ... inals-game

No, it’s tragic. But is a tragic story like that limited to St. Louis? That could happen in any city in America. Are fans in other cities afraid to go downtown because of a five-year-old incident? And again, walking through the Arch grounds. At night. In a group of two. Does that sound like smart situational awareness to anyone? Of course not. Does it excuse or justify a tragic event? Not at all. But we all have a responsibility to minimize risk and be smart when in any city. Walking through a dark park after a game to save a few bucks on parking is not what I would call smart.

And mysteriously it did not affect attendance for the next 4 years. It took multiple bad teams and the ownership cutting 20% of the payroll with no free agent additions. It wasn’t about suburban panty waste.

oh my gosh those suburban [kittycats] right?

No, that was only the event, and yes many people did still attend.

The downtown as a whole however has multiple businesses leave, money not come back, development slowed, and of course the continued top 5 ranking of most dangerous city in the country (yes I know a lot of it has to do with the median count)

Now if I gave you the option of living in North St. Louis or just North County, would you be a panty waste for choosing North County or just making a safer more logical choice?

We aren’t talking about moving to North City or North County, though. We are talking about attending baseball games downtown, which was never a problem, despite crime statistics and the incident you described. The problem started when management stopped investing in the team.

[acousticglue]

1. shootout in daylight near Market Street 2. people hit by bullets sitting in seats at stadium 3. robberies have occurred outside sporting venues in STL.

Having stated this the area still is not as bad as hyped at times but STL needs more federal marshal cleaning. I think Spencer will address more as time goes but she has hands full from decades of idiots running STL and the tornado. I despised Gardner and Tissue being in charge. I've seen first hand East STl govt at work and not sure why feds haven't done something about that.

It all begins w leadership who are not out to only line pockets. Too may US people are just that. No thoughts to the greater good

[thetank2]

What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.

Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.

My apologies, shot and paralyzed, because that is much better

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other ... inals-game

No, it’s tragic. But is a tragic story like that limited to St. Louis? That could happen in any city in America. Are fans in other cities afraid to go downtown because of a five-year-old incident? And again, walking through the Arch grounds. At night. In a group of two. Does that sound like smart situational awareness to anyone? Of course not. Does it excuse or justify a tragic event? Not at all. But we all have a responsibility to minimize risk and be smart when in any city. Walking through a dark park after a game to save a few bucks on parking is not what I would call smart.

And mysteriously it did not affect attendance for the next 4 years. It took multiple bad teams and the ownership cutting 20% of the payroll with no free agent additions. It wasn’t about suburban panty waste.

oh my gosh those suburban [kittycats] right?

No, that was only the event, and yes many people did still attend.

The downtown as a whole however has multiple businesses leave, money not come back, development slowed, and of course the continued top 5 ranking of most dangerous city in the country (yes I know a lot of it has to do with the median count)

Now if I gave you the option of living in North St. Louis or just North County, would you be a panty waste for choosing North County or just making a safer more logical choice?

We aren’t talking about moving to North City or North County, though. We are talking about attending baseball games downtown, which was never a problem, despite crime statistics and the incident you described. The problem started when management stopped investing in the team.

I never read so much nonsense in my life.