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Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 21:44 pm
by Goldfan
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
Owners, POBO’s, GM’s, Managers, Players…..all have their expiration date…..the Cards Budget has been adequate to compete. Stupid decisions failed this org

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 21:47 pm
by Ordinary Man
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:44 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
Owners, POBO’s, GM’s, Managers, Players…..all have their expiration date…..the Cards Budget has been adequate to compete. Stupid decisions failed this org
Exactly. It was never how much they spent. It's how they spent it. Stupid unnecessary extensions to aging players, poor free agent signings and always, ALWAYS saving that dry powder. There must be a warehouse somewhere with that stuff.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 21:48 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
We’re Cardinals fans, not Bill DeWitt/John Mozeliak fans. Consider trying it sometime.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 21:48 pm
by Cranny
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:44 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
Owners, POBO’s, GM’s, Managers, Players…..all have their expiration date…..the Cards Budget has been adequate to compete. Stupid decisions failed this org
Just stupid. In your opinion just stupid. Good grief it’s stupid.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 21:49 pm
by Cranny
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
We’re Cardinals fans, not Bill DeWitt/John Mozeliak fans. Considering trying it sometime.
I’ve been a Cardinal fan, rat, long before you were born.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 21:50 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
We’re Cardinals fans, not Bill DeWitt/John Mozeliak fans. Considering trying it sometime.
I’ve been a Cardinal fan, rat, long before you were born.
You get bonus points for that?

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 21:51 pm
by Cranny
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:50 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
We’re Cardinals fans, not Bill DeWitt/John Mozeliak fans. Considering trying it sometime.
I’ve been a Cardinal fan, rat, long before you were born.
You get bonus points for that?
Just responding to “we’re Cardinals fans.”

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 21:55 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:51 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:50 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
We’re Cardinals fans, not Bill DeWitt/John Mozeliak fans. Considering trying it sometime.
I’ve been a Cardinal fan, rat, long before you were born.
You get bonus points for that?
Just responding to “we’re Cardinals fans.”
Yeah. You can be a Cardinals fan and not like the owner or the GM.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 22:02 pm
by Cranny
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:55 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:51 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:50 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
We’re Cardinals fans, not Bill DeWitt/John Mozeliak fans. Considering trying it sometime.
I’ve been a Cardinal fan, rat, long before you were born.
You get bonus points for that?
Just responding to “we’re Cardinals fans.”
Yeah. You can be a Cardinals fan and not like the owner or the GM.
The owner and POBO have given the Cardinal fans more pleasure than the owners and POBO of most other MLB franchises this century. But you can figure that out yourself.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 22:05 pm
by Goldfan
“The Cardinals are off to a good start this year, but that hasn't stopped fans from sending a message to ownership.

The announced attendance of 21,206 at Busch Stadium III tonight is the smallest crowd in stadium history”

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 22:09 pm
by Cranny
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 22:05 pm “The Cardinals are off to a good start this year, but that hasn't stopped fans from sending a message to ownership.

The announced attendance of 21,206 at Busch Stadium III tonight is the smallest crowd in stadium history”
Get some sleep, Goldfan. Maybe tomorrow will be a happier day for you.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 22:13 pm
by hmoss859
Cranny if you underperformed for last 10 years, you think would still be employed because you have 15 good years before that?

You are stuck in yesteryear dude

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 22:46 pm
by ramfandan
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 22:05 pm “The Cardinals are off to a good start this year, but that hasn't stopped fans from sending a message to ownership.

The announced attendance of 21,206 at Busch Stadium III tonight is the smallest crowd in stadium history”
With the auto tariffs on foreign cars starting April 2nd ,
Many fans are at car dealerships shopping before the prices get jacked by thousands of dollars . Saw them on the news tonight.
:D :D :D

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 22:49 pm
by Melville
There have been many low quality visiting teams visit the stadium since it opened.
But the crowd has never looked like it has the past 2 games.
That is not the fault of the Twins or Angels.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 22:53 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 22:02 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:55 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:51 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:50 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:49 pm
desertrat23 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:48 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:41 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:23 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:18 pm
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:15 pm
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 21:11 pm I’ve been to high school games at Busch with more fans in attendance….
Someone predicted this would be ugly in ‘25…..
Terrible, goldfan. Just awful.
However you want to respond Cranny……this is on BDW. This issue isn’t with just some disgruntled rouge CT posters. A large portion of the Cards fan base who have been there for decades for BDW are staying home.
As I said, goldfan. It’s simply awful. 2 losing seasons this century. Terrible.
It’s a culmination of doing nothing to help the team down the stretch when they had a playoff chances, a last place finish, doing nothing this offseason, and being outwardly arrogant thinking the fan will always be there regardless of all the ineptitude
If it’s so bad, Goldfan, why do you and rat still follow this team? Save yourself the anguish. Move on and come back when they buy a bunch of big time expensive players.
We’re Cardinals fans, not Bill DeWitt/John Mozeliak fans. Considering trying it sometime.
I’ve been a Cardinal fan, rat, long before you were born.
You get bonus points for that?
Just responding to “we’re Cardinals fans.”
Yeah. You can be a Cardinals fan and not like the owner or the GM.
The owner and POBO have given the Cardinal fans more pleasure than the owners and POBO of most other MLB franchises this century. But you can figure that out yourself.
Pro sports is a “what have you done for me lately” business. If you can’t figure that out, maybe it’s not for you.

Re: Attendance

Posted: 31 Mar 2025 23:10 pm
by Targaryen
Futuregm2 wrote: 31 Mar 2025 09:57 am
Cranny wrote: 31 Mar 2025 09:49 am
Goldfan wrote: 31 Mar 2025 09:44 am
OldRed wrote: 31 Mar 2025 07:56 am
Cranny wrote: 30 Mar 2025 22:25 pm
Banner29 wrote: 30 Mar 2025 22:16 pm
icon wrote: 30 Mar 2025 20:52 pm
swatski wrote: 30 Mar 2025 20:16 pm Just watched hilights from game today. Pretty sparse crowd in the outfield all game. I guess it’s what we expected after the last two seasons and the pronouncement from Mo to pretty much accept mediocrity but man it makes me sad to see the lack of interest.
Eh, the boring Twins were the opponent, and the weather was iffy.
Yeah, “the OPPOSING team isn’t interesting enough” and
“what if I get wet?” sounds wayyyyyyy better on the BFIB reputation as opposed to “we’re starting to get sick of the complacency” when explaining why the opening day weekend crowd was unimpressive……..
I guess the forecast thunderstorms had nothing to do with it.
Man, you can come up with more excuses. Advance ticket sales have nothing to do with a weather forecast.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/hi ... 7c70&ei=10
My entire life
Kids have attended School
There’s been weather
Games have started around 7pm
Games have been on Holidays
And when theres been an exciting winning team……..with an ownership that seemed to give 2 chits……Busch Stadium has been mostly full
But now that the team hasn’t been winning or playing exciting baseball with an owner who seems to no longer care to win…..attendance is solely affected by the items listed above :roll:
A contributing factor might be that inflation has lowered the family recreational budget somewhat.
MLB Attendance through the first 2-4 games of the teams that have been at home has been up by 1,114 per game. And that is unjustly affected by TB being in a minor league park vs MLB park (a 10,815 difference per game).

Right now of the 16 teams with a home game, we have the biggest decrease yoy per game (-6,363) outside of TB.

And if that pace kept for us, it would put our attendance at 2.36 million for the season. And if everything else stayed the same that puts us around 17th in the game.

In other words ownership better hope the team keeps playing like they have or they could be looking at a bottom half team in attendance.
What's kind of astonishing is that if attendance throughout MLB were proportional to home market size, NY and LA would be at the top every year (and they are), and St. Louis would be around 25th. The fact that the team finished in the top five (and usually top three) in attendance every season between 2000-2019 is pretty remarkable given that we're in one of the smallest media markets in baseball. But stay mediocre long enough, and the fans will eventually stop showing up. Even in Baseball Heaven.