Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:24 am
Players apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
What a horrible thing.
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What a horrible thing.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:32 am
Until he throws them under the buss.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:33 am
And that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:35 am
I can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:45 am
Respecting a manager and being "best buds" don't equate. Not even a little.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:48 am
Usually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:35 amI can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:53 am
That’s part of the angst against Oli in the past! Things seemed to be scripted and he doesn’t deviate from that, no matter what.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:48 amUsually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:35 amI can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:54 am
Hey now, there's no room for that type of critical thinking here, boss.ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 10:19 am Dewitts to Bloom:
“We have removed Mo and given you cart Blanche on remaking the minor leagues and the mlb roster, even if that meant trading fan favorites. But the one thing you are not allowed to change is the very-unpopular manager. I’m sorry, but not only does Oli stay, he’s getting an extension. Sorry, buddy.”
Yeah, that’s far fetched…
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:56 am
Right…..you sit before the season and plot all the off days for starters through Sept. Not knowing health, hot streaks, standings……ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:48 amUsually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:35 amI can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
This is why we think he’s not managerial quality. These are humans not some dot on a chart.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 09:58 am
Is that why they refuse to steal base when he gives them the sign? Is that why players, young and old, refuse to take his advice on training, videotape, etc.?ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
"Well, it's up to the players to play and have a good work ethic."
Fine. But then don't say he's "great with young players," or all the "players respect him." I'm sure they say great things about him when asked, in the same way all the kids in 3rd grade love the substitute teacher who lets them color all day and cleans up after them.
I'm telling you...this youth movement is going to suffer without anyone in the ML clubhouse able to act as disciplinarian. It's going to be a big lovefest until they start to lose, and Marmol gets to his usual tricks with the lineup.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 10:06 am
TLR had scheduled days off.Hoosier59 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:53 amThat’s part of the angst against Oli in the past! Things seemed to be scripted and he doesn’t deviate from that, no matter what.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:48 amUsually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:35 amI can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 10:08 am
I get it. You say Oli smile one time in the dugout, so that means it’s a frat house in the clubhouse.Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:58 amIs that why they refuse to steal base when he gives them the sign? Is that why players, young and old, refuse to take his advice on training, videotape, etc.?ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
"Well, it's up to the players to play and have a good work ethic."
Fine. But then don't say he's "great with young players," or all the "players respect him." I'm sure they say great things about him when asked, in the same way all the kids in 3rd grade love the substitute teacher who lets them color all day and cleans up after them.
I'm telling you...this youth movement is going to suffer without anyone in the ML clubhouse able to act as disciplinarian. It's going to be a big lovefest until they start to lose, and Marmol gets to his usual tricks with the lineup.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 10:11 am
I believe his were if the player wanted it, as Molina and Pujols never wanted a day off. Usually, a good manager can see if a player needs a day off and not usually after a good day. I do remember Herzog seeing a player needing a day off and often told them to not take infield or hitting before the game.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 10:06 amTLR had scheduled days off.Hoosier59 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:53 amThat’s part of the angst against Oli in the past! Things seemed to be scripted and he doesn’t deviate from that, no matter what.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:48 amUsually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:35 amI can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 10:19 am
No, TLR scheduled days off.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 10:11 amI believe his were if the player wanted it, as Molina and Pujols never wanted a day off. Usually, a good manager can see if a player needs a day off and not usually after a good day. I do remember Herzog seeing a player needing a day off and often told them to not take infield or hitting before the game.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 10:06 amTLR had scheduled days off.Hoosier59 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:53 amThat’s part of the angst against Oli in the past! Things seemed to be scripted and he doesn’t deviate from that, no matter what.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:48 amUsually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:35 amI can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
Scheduling a day off takes the 'reward/punishment' out of it.
"Hey JJ, in this 3 game series, I'm going to start you the first two games, then give Fermin the start in the 3rd game. That is...unless you have a good game in the 2nd game..."
"Hey JJ, I know you are only 1 for your last 21, so I'm going to give you an off day tomorrow."
Short term rewards/punishment based on production are not a good way to handle a player's psychology over 162 game season...
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 10:22 am
I don’t feel too strongly one way or the other about Marmol’s extension, other than I would have waited until late May or June to make the decision.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:48 amUsually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:35 amI can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
But your last statement is simply not true. Marmol has even stated that he sits guys after a good game “so they feel good about themselves”.
He, to this point anyway, has absolutely zero concept of riding a hot hand.
Re: Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol
Posted: 02 Mar 2026 10:25 am
92 players played 140 or more games in 2025 . . . . NOT ONE was a Cardinal.Bomber1 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 10:22 amI don’t feel too strongly one way or the other about Marmol’s extension, other than I would have waited until late May or June to make the decision.ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:48 amUsually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.OldRed wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:35 amI can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:33 amAnd that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..ecleme22 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 09:24 amPlayers apparently like and respect Oli.
What a horrible thing.
But your last statement is simply not true. Marmol has even stated that he sits guys after a good game “so they feel good about themselves”.
He, to this point anyway, has absolutely zero concept of riding a hot hand.