Is Bloom holding out for a slugger-type in a Donovan deal?

[ecleme22]

Okay, so all we have to go by so far is Gray, a trade where they ate 20mil in order to get a better return: two pitchers.

We also have the May signing: a deal which COST them 12 million.

So, Hoosier, where is the salary dump?

Also, there are talks about signing ANOTHER starting pitcher to a one year deal, probably at least an 8-12 mil contract.

With knowing ALL of this, they stand to dump NO money on the Gray deal, but rather instead trading a contract with one year remaining and gaining 1) a prospect 2) a young pitcher w control in Fritts, and 3) two vets to hold down the rotation and maybe flip at the deadline.

So where is the salary dump?

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

So you’re going with the “KEEP Fedde and Miles” because they’ll pitch so well up to deadline that teams will be beating down doors to acquire them??
Sure….you and Cuse keep teaching me…this is fun
They Paid May 12mil so he won’t suck as bad as he did last season and someone will give a worthy prospect???
Please don’t’ the bell ring teacher….

Almost 100% of all vet starting pitchers signed to a 1 year deal have some level of uncertainty.

May has uncertainty. I can give you dozens of other examples too, with a good pct having bouncebacks.

Keep learning, bud.

[Ozziesfan41]

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Yes because every other team that could’ve just signed May…..will forfeit top prospects when he is dominant for Cards this season…..on his 1yr contract
I’m mean…..you 2 should open a MLB executive management school

Yes because any reasonably intelligent person would understand may isn’t the type of guy a contending team is going to go after because they don’t want to take the risk but if he’s pitching well at the deadline or even decently you bet teams will be wanting to trade for him that need a starter and are in contention. This stuff isn’t hard to figure out if you look at it rationally. Will they give up their top prospects? No but will they trade prospects? Yea

[ecleme22]

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Yes because every other team that could’ve just signed May…..will forfeit top prospects when he is dominant for Cards this season…..on his 1yr contract
I’m mean…..you 2 should open a MLB executive management school

Quintana was signed by the Pirates for nothing. 6 months later, pirates got a young Oviedo.

There are other examples….

This is too easy…

[Cusecards]

Gray was owed 35mil in ‘26 with club option for 30mil and 5mil buyout in ‘27. So that’s 40mil 40-20=20mil saved
So you want to throw in May at 12…..thats 8mil. Donny is 6mi…..14mil saved
14 mil here and there….you’re dumping salary

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

[Ozziesfan41]

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

[Goldfan]

1) Has Donovan been traded yet??
2) And if he is traded you ALREADY KNOW that the players they receive will make far less than $6M???
3) Are you saying they should have held onto Gray for this season and next at a cost of $65M at his age????

Just when I thought you couldn’t whine any more and get any dumber!!!!

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Coming from the guy who resorts to teenage name calling instead of posing a legitimate defense of his position. The comedy continues
Cuse, I’ve been calling this Cards downfall for 7yrs now and all along the way you and others like you defended this org and called me a troll or whatever….so this is nothing new. I’ve been vindicated. You followed along with the Org stupidity, JUST LIKE NOW, and have Been proven wrong up until this last seasons end. I suppose if you and EC have ONLY positive outcomes for all players going forward ALL will be fine. Never mind the facts and history presented to you

[Cusecards]

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

Hey Oz....I took the GF Baton yesterday from you and a few others.
Looks like ecleme and others have had it passed to them today?
You have to admit...he is consistent!
Thank God we only have to deal with him on an anonymous forum and not in real life
Yikes!

[Goldfan]

So Donny won’t be traded now??
What I’m saying is that the Cards payroll has been going down and will continue to go down as these vet contracts fall off.
But this isn’t a salary dump to genius’s like you…..you see the math…..what do you want to call it???
Donny isn’t going to return the next Skenes, he’s returning a younger Donny who makes no money.
So what does that do for the future talent base…..its not improved…..BDW will have his low payroll….and the future team will not be improved.
I challenged EC…..what has the team returned so far that jump starts this “rebuild”? Perhaps this lefty from Boston has a future…..is it a lock??

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

It’s not so much BLOOM it’s BDW. He’s obviously going cheap…..under this “rebuild, but we’ll compete” banner and you guys eat it up.

[Goldfan]

I guess we’ll ignore the 18mil form MIles too…..
Guess we forgot about that in the little equation up top
18 Miles+20 Gray but we add 12mil because we don’t have any SP…….38mil gone from starting staff but we added 12mil and Fitts(820,00)
38MIlLION offloaded from starting rotation and 13mil ADDED….I say dumping salary….Cuse says I’m stupid
Cuse you got a calculator???

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

Hey Oz....I took the GF Baton yesterday from you and a few others.
Looks like ecleme and others have had it passed to them today?
You have to admit...he is consistent!
Thank God we only have to deal with him on an anonymous forum and not in real life
Yikes!

Thank GOD!!!
It would be hard dealing with someone in real life who was right about the past 7 years and you were wrong and called him a dummy
And he gives an alternate view of how things could happen and you still call him a dummy
That would kind of make YOU the dummy…….No?

[Ozziesfan41]

Rebuilding teams spend less.

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

Hey Oz....I took the GF Baton yesterday from you and a few others.
Looks like ecleme and others have had it passed to them today?
You have to admit...he is consistent!
Thank God we only have to deal with him on an anonymous forum and not in real life
Yikes!

Thank GOD!!!
It would be hard dealing with someone in real life who was right about the past 7 years and you were wrong and called him a dummy
And he gives an alternate view of how things could happen and you still call him a dummy
That would kind of make YOU the dummy…….No?

Considering you are incapable of grasp the simple concepts of how a rebuild works I would say you are a dummy

[Cusecards]

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

Hey Oz....I took the GF Baton yesterday from you and a few others.
Looks like ecleme and others have had it passed to them today?
You have to admit...he is consistent!
Thank God we only have to deal with him on an anonymous forum and not in real life
Yikes!

Thank GOD!!!
It would be hard dealing with someone in real life who was right about the past 7 years and you were wrong and called him a dummy
And he gives an alternate view of how things could happen and you still call him a dummy
That would kind of make YOU the dummy…….No?

Considering you are incapable of grasp the simple concepts of how a rebuild works I would say you are a dummy

Keep a good grip on the GF Baton Oz!!!
I have the utmost confidence in you and ecleme!
I’m still laughing over the poster who called him a Pubescent Girl a few days ago.
Don’t recall who that was?? LOL

[Goldfan]

I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to grasp the concept of how a rebuild works

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

Hey Oz....I took the GF Baton yesterday from you and a few others.
Looks like ecleme and others have had it passed to them today?
You have to admit...he is consistent!
Thank God we only have to deal with him on an anonymous forum and not in real life
Yikes!

Thank GOD!!!
It would be hard dealing with someone in real life who was right about the past 7 years and you were wrong and called him a dummy
And he gives an alternate view of how things could happen and you still call him a dummy
That would kind of make YOU the dummy…….No?

Considering you are incapable of grasp the simple concepts of how a rebuild works I would say you are a dummy

Sure….teams with ownership who don’t want to spend money have glorious “rebuilds”. Pitts, Cincy, Marlins, TB
And this process of “Rebuild” are all rubber stamped guarantees….just follow the process YOU, EC, Cuse have the blueprint for and its WS in 5-6yrs
Every MLB team should do this

[Ozziesfan41]

I’ll type really slow for you fellas….
When Gray was signed I said it was stupid to spend that much money on a 5’10 180 mid 30s fella who had an odd tract record of leaving games early. Turns out the man has an issue with grip in the summer heat.
When they signed WC I said it was stupid because they had Defensive catchers and they needed to spend $$ on OF and pitching. Well WC didn’t really work out at catcher did he?? If you want to go with the story he’s a great offensive weapon have at it….
If you think replacing May(7-11, 5ERA, 1.421Whip) and Fitts(2-4, 5ERA, 1.311Whip) 13mil TOTAL is “rebuilding” good for you
But to the Keen eye BDW dumped 25mil off his starting rotation…..if you want to include Fedde and Matz that’s another 20mil
But But But that minor league LH SP from Boston……..MIGHT be something in the future….

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

Hey Oz....I took the GF Baton yesterday from you and a few others.
Looks like ecleme and others have had it passed to them today?
You have to admit...he is consistent!
Thank God we only have to deal with him on an anonymous forum and not in real life
Yikes!

Thank GOD!!!
It would be hard dealing with someone in real life who was right about the past 7 years and you were wrong and called him a dummy
And he gives an alternate view of how things could happen and you still call him a dummy
That would kind of make YOU the dummy…….No?

Considering you are incapable of grasp the simple concepts of how a rebuild works I would say you are a dummy

Sure….teams with ownership who don’t want to spend money have glorious “rebuilds”. Pitts, Cincy, Marlins, TB
And this process of “Rebuild” are all rubber stamped guarantees….just follow the process YOU, EC, Cuse have the blueprint for and its WS in 5-6yrs
Every MLB team should do this

They will spend money again but again you don’t understand the simple concepts of a rebuild. When you rebuild you don’t spend a lot of money you accumulate a lot of talent develop your core then spend money and make trades for the pieces that you need. And the pirates reds and marlins aren’t good examples of that because they don’t have the money to sign their best players or spend to bring good players in the cardinals do. But again you’re apparently not capable of understanding the simple concept of how a rebuild it’s obviously too confusing for you to grasp

[Goldfan]

Sonny Gray gets you:
1) Red Sox #5 prospect, who throws 99mph.
2) Fitts, who was just recently the Sox #11 prospect
3) Dustin May (FA pitcher, hopefully rebounds), if he rebounds, he’s traded at the deadline for prospects.
4) FA pitcher (1 year 8-12mil), if he does well, traded at the deadline.


So Gray trade/contract scored at least 2 good prospects, at possibly as much as 4 or 5.

That’s rebuilding.

Welcome to the conversation…

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

Hey Oz....I took the GF Baton yesterday from you and a few others.
Looks like ecleme and others have had it passed to them today?
You have to admit...he is consistent!
Thank God we only have to deal with him on an anonymous forum and not in real life
Yikes!

Thank GOD!!!
It would be hard dealing with someone in real life who was right about the past 7 years and you were wrong and called him a dummy
And he gives an alternate view of how things could happen and you still call him a dummy
That would kind of make YOU the dummy…….No?

Considering you are incapable of grasp the simple concepts of how a rebuild works I would say you are a dummy

Sure….teams with ownership who don’t want to spend money have glorious “rebuilds”. Pitts, Cincy, Marlins, TB
And this process of “Rebuild” are all rubber stamped guarantees….just follow the process YOU, EC, Cuse have the blueprint for and its WS in 5-6yrs
Every MLB team should do this

They will spend money again but again you don’t understand the simple concepts of a rebuild. When you rebuild you don’t spend a lot of money you accumulate a lot of talent develop your core then spend money and make trades for the pieces that you need. And the pirates reds and marlins aren’t good examples of that because they don’t have the money to sign their best players or spend to bring good players in the cardinals do.

I see….you know BDW will spend money again….
You think top prospects are being brought in that will soon eclipse the talent that has been here
Does anyone know what happened to all those prospects brought by from Flaherty, Monty, Hicks, etc…….
I thought they would be breaking through by now??
Again, I don’t think trading the fellas who are being dangled……are going to bring back what you hope to get. If you’re overjoyed with Filler then great. Top talent is hard to develop and teams aren’t giving it up for Gray, WC, Donny so get back equal to lesser talent which is younger and cheaper

[ecleme22]

So May and Fitts are part of this rebuild? Losing records and 5.00ERA…..OK
Who is this #4 on your list?

May is part of the rebuild in the sense that he’s potentially flippable.

Fitts is still young. Also, Shane Baz had a 4.87 era but was just traded for four prospects. Sometimes one seasons era doesn’t tell the whole story.

Keep learning, bud.

Ecleme.....I have to commend you. You have taken the baton TODAY from myself and NUMEROUS other posters.
I wish you luck and applaud you in your efforts!
Hopefully someone else takes the GF Baton from you tomorrow??

Thanks brother.

I’m really surprised by the lack of understanding from some CTers.

I really like what Bloom appears to be doing, but it’s also something we’ve seen before in various ways from various organizations.

The whole “I don’t know what bloom is doing or what I’m seeing” faction on CardsTalk is odd.

Agree
Part of it is a “lack of understanding”(aka basic intelligence) but it also involves major weak mindedness on their part.
Most here realize that passionately following sports can lead to frustration.
Most here vent(as I do) but there is a difference between healthy venting and being a whining entitled crybaby.
My advice would be....if you don’t have the stomach for sports....take up stamp collecting, knitting, or some other hobby that you can have control over!

Yea he complained about Mo for years then mo left he gave bloom less than a month before he turned on him and started crying and whining about him lol

Hey Oz....I took the GF Baton yesterday from you and a few others.
Looks like ecleme and others have had it passed to them today?
You have to admit...he is consistent!
Thank God we only have to deal with him on an anonymous forum and not in real life
Yikes!

Thank GOD!!!
It would be hard dealing with someone in real life who was right about the past 7 years and you were wrong and called him a dummy
And he gives an alternate view of how things could happen and you still call him a dummy
That would kind of make YOU the dummy…….No?

Considering you are incapable of grasp the simple concepts of how a rebuild works I would say you are a dummy

Sure….teams with ownership who don’t want to spend money have glorious “rebuilds”. Pitts, Cincy, Marlins, TB
And this process of “Rebuild” are all rubber stamped guarantees….just follow the process YOU, EC, Cuse have the blueprint for and its WS in 5-6yrs
Every MLB team should do this

They will spend money again but again you don’t understand the simple concepts of a rebuild. When you rebuild you don’t spend a lot of money you accumulate a lot of talent develop your core then spend money and make trades for the pieces that you need. And the pirates reds and marlins aren’t good examples of that because they don’t have the money to sign their best players or spend to bring good players in the cardinals do.

I see….you know BDW will spend money again….
You think top prospects are being brought in that will soon eclipse the talent that has been here
Does anyone know what happened to all those prospects brought by from Flaherty, Monty, Hicks, etc…….
I thought they would be breaking through by now??
Again, I don’t think trading the fellas who are being dangled……are going to bring back what you hope to get. If you’re overjoyed with Filler then great. Top talent is hard to develop and teams aren’t giving it up for Gray, WC, Donny so get back equal to lesser talent which is younger and cheaper

2023 trade deadline: that was on Mo’s watch. I don’t blame you for being annoyed by the return, but good front offices deliver a better result…

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Donny will return a younger cheaper version of himself or lesser talent player. If you haven’t noticed the real mission is to drop payroll and HOPE some of these returning players don’t embarrass BDW/Bloom too much

Donovan isn't being rumored due to his salary.

Ok, what’s he being moved for? He’s still young, he’s a proven performer, great teammate, perfect STL type player. So what’s the calculus here?
Forfeiting WINNING and Salary Today for HOPE of non proven, MUCH cheaper players in return who no one has any clue whether they’ll ever become Donovan much less better.
BDW is going cheap a few years(rebuilding) hoping to return players who will be better than what today’s roster presents.
This thought that Bloom can’t draft, build minors, and have a contending MLB team now is ridiculous.
So far two 5.00ERA SP have been brought in and a minor league lefty with injury issues…..(Rebuilding)
I don’t think you get anything better than Donovan in return for him….so you have a younger CHEAPER player….you haven’t improved quality
This is an exercise for BDW is go cheap for 2,3,4 yrs promising glory from a homegrown system producing Allstars. When has that happened in modern Cards history??

IF he is being moved for $4 million bucks in MLB dollars, then the other side of the debate, the one that
says the Cardinals can spend enough to compete is not as accurate as we think it is.

You should also acknowledge that I have agreed that there is a path that is less binary. That both building and
improving the 2026 team can be done. The team just shouldn't reach IMO, not as much because of Bill's money
but because of wasting prime years on whoever is brought in while waiting for a more complete team.
Donovan, IF dealt, is maximizing a resource. IF trading from depth 2B/C/DH/1B to an area of weakness, SP, OF, maybe SLG. That's all. Take the names out of it and they are capital. Donnie is silver while the others are bronze at best.
There's been threads pointing toward the number of 2B on the team for years, Donovan is the latest
edition of that.

Sonny needed to be traded. He was a 1yr/$40M guy. Essentially a rental on a team that shouldn't be buying $40M rentals.
Your number seems to be era. Gray's was 4.28. At 36 y/o is he more likely to get back to his career number of 3.58
or the 2 added guys get to their career numbers of 3.86 and 3.97? Who'd you put $10K on? Me, none of them.

I don't see May as a replacement for him. That's either Fitts or more likely, whoever the next guy brought in is. May is too
much of a wildcard, his IP are low. IF traded at the deadline he just as likely to be a BP piece where he goes.
He'll be owed under $5M at the deadline. IMO he's more of a replacement in the Matz, Fedde type.