Is this rebuild essentially complete?

[Bully4you]

With the dump of Gray and signing of his replacement?
Sure, Arenado needs to be dealt with, but nothing of significance coming back there.
Don't necessarily need to trade Donovan, as he could be part of rebuild.
So, if this is nearly all that will be done, it was a short and sweet rebuild.
At this juncture, does anyone call this a "Major Change"?
Even if they trade Donovan, it really isn't all that major.

This rebuild was never major, compared to other teams’ rebuilds.

Only some CTers acted like it was major and the end of the world…

Well, some think this is a multi year rebuild, so I guess over the course of a few years
it could turn out to be major.

After BD, NA, SG, WC and maybe JoJo are traded, that will be most of the tradeoff we will see.

We could see another year before we start really adding multi-year FAs. But the tradeoff will be done soon.

What people don't understand is we've been in a quasi-rebuild for 2.5 years now. Since TDL 2023, we haven't traded off any prospects, only accumulated them. And aside from Gray, haven't given out any big deals.

Good point.
We have been in a rebuild even though they wouldn't admit to it.
If they trade all those you mention this off season, that will be MAJOR!!!

Yes. If they trade those five, and SG is gone, that would be major. I’d agree.

For sure that would be major.
You asked if May was the stud pitcher they acquired...I think he could be, BUT...
He has to prove it, and he hasn't proven anything yet in his young career.
Too injury prone thus far.

Let’s play optimistic here. Let’s say May goes injury free- 32 starts. A decent bull pen. Whats his record?

Optimistic would be he gets 25 starts.
I think they will go with a 6-man rotation, so he'll be limited and probably should be limited.
If he is on his game and logs 140-160 innings, I'd say he could project between 3.2-3.6 ERA.
I'm worried about our D though with potential trades.
All of our positional players will be below average Defense except SS and CF.
Frustration can take over really quick on the mound if the D is poor.
Maybe he can get 11 to 12 wins.

Very fine response. I agree with your numbers. As to our D. If JJ is at second, then up the middle to Scott is second to none. If JJ is at third, a touch less D from the arenado days, but a better stick. Then who at second.

I think JJ is for sure the 2nd baseman if they move Donovan.
Gorman at 3rd.
Remember we have either Contreras at 1st or Burly there.
The corners will be our Achilles heel.
That includes the corner outfield as well.
Catcher isn't anything to brag about either.
Up the middle should be fine.

If- Walker hits? Right is covered. Anything more than what we got from Walker makes this a better team instantly.

Herrera left. You heard it here. Catching will zap his power and promote injury. Could be a 20 he left fielder.

Willy at first. If not traded. If so- Gorman or Burleson.

Third- never Gorman. Anybody but. Even if Nado. But this is the one position that might need external touch up.

These are maybes.

Yes, but all the positions you mentioned filling with those players will yield horrible defense.
Walker may be the worst player in baseball.
Herrera can't play LF. He just can't.
We haven't identified a truly good catcher.
Burleson and Contreras ain't Goldy on D.

[sikeston bulldog2]

This rebuild was never major, compared to other teams’ rebuilds.

Only some CTers acted like it was major and the end of the world…

Well, some think this is a multi year rebuild, so I guess over the course of a few years
it could turn out to be major.

After BD, NA, SG, WC and maybe JoJo are traded, that will be most of the tradeoff we will see.

We could see another year before we start really adding multi-year FAs. But the tradeoff will be done soon.

What people don't understand is we've been in a quasi-rebuild for 2.5 years now. Since TDL 2023, we haven't traded off any prospects, only accumulated them. And aside from Gray, haven't given out any big deals.

Good point.
We have been in a rebuild even though they wouldn't admit to it.
If they trade all those you mention this off season, that will be MAJOR!!!

Yes. If they trade those five, and SG is gone, that would be major. I’d agree.

For sure that would be major.
You asked if May was the stud pitcher they acquired...I think he could be, BUT...
He has to prove it, and he hasn't proven anything yet in his young career.
Too injury prone thus far.

Let’s play optimistic here. Let’s say May goes injury free- 32 starts. A decent bull pen. Whats his record?

Optimistic would be he gets 25 starts.
I think they will go with a 6-man rotation, so he'll be limited and probably should be limited.
If he is on his game and logs 140-160 innings, I'd say he could project between 3.2-3.6 ERA.
I'm worried about our D though with potential trades.
All of our positional players will be below average Defense except SS and CF.
Frustration can take over really quick on the mound if the D is poor.
Maybe he can get 11 to 12 wins.

Very fine response. I agree with your numbers. As to our D. If JJ is at second, then up the middle to Scott is second to none. If JJ is at third, a touch less D from the arenado days, but a better stick. Then who at second.

I think JJ is for sure the 2nd baseman if they move Donovan.
Gorman at 3rd.
Remember we have either Contreras at 1st or Burly there.
The corners will be our Achilles heel.
That includes the corner outfield as well.
Catcher isn't anything to brag about either.
Up the middle should be fine.

If- Walker hits? Right is covered. Anything more than what we got from Walker makes this a better team instantly.

Herrera left. You heard it here. Catching will zap his power and promote injury. Could be a 20 he left fielder.

Willy at first. If not traded. If so- Gorman or Burleson.

Third- never Gorman. Anybody but. Even if Nado. But this is the one position that might need external touch up.

These are maybes.

Yes, but all the positions you mentioned filling with those players will yield horrible defense.
Walker may be the worst player in baseball.
Herrera can't play LF. He just can't.
We haven't identified a truly good catcher.
Burleson and Contreras ain't Goldy on D.

Nor will JJ be Nado at third. Herrera in left with his arm, could be serviceable. Could?

Burleson ain’t Goldie. But he too is serviceable. Walker. Yes. It’s not pretty. But anything more than he has shown will work. He certainly can’t get any worse.

Your concerns are valid.

[Bully4you]

Not even close......

-Donny deal coming

-JoJo deal coming

-NADO deal likely coming?

-Possible WillyC deal coming?

-Noot, Burleson, ????? could be had sometime this season or in the offseason?

-Likely a FA RP or two added?

-More wheeling & dealing next winter?

So, he will turn us into the Colorado Rockies his first year as POBO?
Don't see it happening.
Just don't.

Not hardly bully, Rockies? Get real.

The 2026 team will be better than the 2025 team and after the new CBA is settled Dewitt will likely open up the wallet.

If they trade everyone you mention, I don't think they'll be better than last year.
Obviously, they'll be better than the Rockies were last year, but I was being sarcastic.

[rockondlouie]

Not even close......

-Donny deal coming

-JoJo deal coming

-NADO deal likely coming?

-Possible WillyC deal coming?

-Noot, Burleson, ????? could be had sometime this season or in the offseason?

-Likely a FA RP or two added?

-More wheeling & dealing next winter?

So, he will turn us into the Colorado Rockies his first year as POBO?
Don't see it happening.
Just don't.

Not hardly bully, Rockies? Get real.

The 2026 team will be better than the 2025 team and after the new CBA is settled Dewitt will likely open up the wallet.

If they trade everyone you mention, I don't think they'll be better than last year.
Obviously, they'll be better than the Rockies were last year, but I was being sarcastic.

Sure they could be bully:

-M. Mikolas, E. Fredde are gone----that's an upgrade already!

-A. Pallante is headed back to the pen', another rotation upgrade

(It would be hard for any starter to be worse than those three were in 2025)

-JJW replaces Donny, could be an even better offensive player

-NADO's glove will be missed but N. Gorman should provide more offense

-WillyC would be the BIG MISS, but a full season of I. Hererra could easily replace his offense

And that doesn't even count the players who come back via the trades who may be MLB ready!

Plus C. Bloom could still add via FA too.

I'll stick to my original thought I've had for some time bully, I think the 2026 team will be 4 - 10 games better than the 78-84 2025 version.

Hang in there.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Not even close......

-Donny deal coming

-JoJo deal coming

-NADO deal likely coming?

-Possible WillyC deal coming?

-Noot, Burleson, ????? could be had sometime this season or in the offseason?

-Likely a FA RP or two added?

-More wheeling & dealing next winter?

So, he will turn us into the Colorado Rockies his first year as POBO?
Don't see it happening.
Just don't.

Not hardly bully, Rockies? Get real.

The 2026 team will be better than the 2025 team and after the new CBA is settled Dewitt will likely open up the wallet.

If they trade everyone you mention, I don't think they'll be better than last year.
Obviously, they'll be better than the Rockies were last year, but I was being sarcastic.

Sure they could be bully:

-M. Mikolas, E. Fredde are gone----that's an upgrade already!

-A. Pallante is headed back to the pen', another rotation upgrade

(It would be hard for any starter to be worse than those three were in 2025)

-JJW replaces Donny, could be an even better offensive player

-NADO's glove will be missed but N. Gorman should provide more offense

-WillyC would be the BIG MISS, but a full season of I. Hererra could easily replace his offense

And that doesn't even count the players who come back via the trades who may be MLB ready!

Plus C. Bloom could still add via FA too.

I'll stick to my original thought I've had for some time bully, I think the 2026 team will be 4 - 10 games better than the 78-84 2025 version.

Hang in there.

I know ur bullish but I don’t see Gorman sticking at third. As a pitcher, I’d take an no hitting Arenado any day to a sometime hitting Gorman.

[rockondlouie]

Not even close......

-Donny deal coming

-JoJo deal coming

-NADO deal likely coming?

-Possible WillyC deal coming?

-Noot, Burleson, ????? could be had sometime this season or in the offseason?

-Likely a FA RP or two added?

-More wheeling & dealing next winter?

So, he will turn us into the Colorado Rockies his first year as POBO?
Don't see it happening.
Just don't.

Not hardly bully, Rockies? Get real.

The 2026 team will be better than the 2025 team and after the new CBA is settled Dewitt will likely open up the wallet.

If they trade everyone you mention, I don't think they'll be better than last year.
Obviously, they'll be better than the Rockies were last year, but I was being sarcastic.

Sure they could be bully:

-M. Mikolas, E. Fredde are gone----that's an upgrade already!

-A. Pallante is headed back to the pen', another rotation upgrade

(It would be hard for any starter to be worse than those three were in 2025)

-JJW replaces Donny, could be an even better offensive player

-NADO's glove will be missed but N. Gorman should provide more offense

-WillyC would be the BIG MISS, but a full season of I. Hererra could easily replace his offense

And that doesn't even count the players who come back via the trades who may be MLB ready!

Plus C. Bloom could still add via FA too.

I'll stick to my original thought I've had for some time bully, I think the 2026 team will be 4 - 10 games better than the 78-84 2025 version.

Hang in there.

I know ur bullish but I don’t see Gorman sticking at third. As a pitcher, I’d take an no hitting Arenado any day to a sometime hitting Gorman.

If/When NADP is dealt, then he's going to be at 3rd base until he plays himself off there BDog.

Let's hope Bloom has had his people working w/Gorman and he's taking a couple hundred ground balls a day this winter!

To be fair, he was much better the final few weeks of the season at 3rd base after he settled in.

He'll never be an above average fielder but I'd take him there if he hits 25-30+ HR's and is no worse than a -5 DRS/OAA.

Remember, every error or misplay doesn't lead to a run.

We just remember it more when they do.

I'd like to see a stat that shows me when a players error actually led to runs vs just the raw error total.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Not even close......

-Donny deal coming

-JoJo deal coming

-NADO deal likely coming?

-Possible WillyC deal coming?

-Noot, Burleson, ????? could be had sometime this season or in the offseason?

-Likely a FA RP or two added?

-More wheeling & dealing next winter?

So, he will turn us into the Colorado Rockies his first year as POBO?
Don't see it happening.
Just don't.

Not hardly bully, Rockies? Get real.

The 2026 team will be better than the 2025 team and after the new CBA is settled Dewitt will likely open up the wallet.

If they trade everyone you mention, I don't think they'll be better than last year.
Obviously, they'll be better than the Rockies were last year, but I was being sarcastic.

Sure they could be bully:

-M. Mikolas, E. Fredde are gone----that's an upgrade already!

-A. Pallante is headed back to the pen', another rotation upgrade

(It would be hard for any starter to be worse than those three were in 2025)

-JJW replaces Donny, could be an even better offensive player

-NADO's glove will be missed but N. Gorman should provide more offense

-WillyC would be the BIG MISS, but a full season of I. Hererra could easily replace his offense

And that doesn't even count the players who come back via the trades who may be MLB ready!

Plus C. Bloom could still add via FA too.

I'll stick to my original thought I've had for some time bully, I think the 2026 team will be 4 - 10 games better than the 78-84 2025 version.

Hang in there.

I know ur bullish but I don’t see Gorman sticking at third. As a pitcher, I’d take an no hitting Arenado any day to a sometime hitting Gorman.

If/When NADP is dealt, then he's going to be at 3rd base until he plays himself off there BDog.

Let's hope Bloom has had his people working w/Gorman and he's taking a couple hundred ground balls a day this winter!

To be fair, he was much better the final few weeks of the season at 3rd base after he settled in.

He'll never be an above average fielder but I'd take him there if he hits 25-30+ HR's and is no worse than a -5 DRS/OAA.

Remember, every error or misplay doesn't lead to a run.

We just remember it more when they do.

I'd like to see a stat that shows me when a players error actually led to runs vs just the raw error total.

That error leads to another hitter. A runner to now hold on both pitcher and catcher. Even larger in a tie game, there’s your winning run. Higher pitch counts. An error might be the difference in a starters innings pitched.

He kills our pitching like Billy Williams used to.

[rockondlouie]

Not even close......

-Donny deal coming

-JoJo deal coming

-NADO deal likely coming?

-Possible WillyC deal coming?

-Noot, Burleson, ????? could be had sometime this season or in the offseason?

-Likely a FA RP or two added?

-More wheeling & dealing next winter?

So, he will turn us into the Colorado Rockies his first year as POBO?
Don't see it happening.
Just don't.

Not hardly bully, Rockies? Get real.

The 2026 team will be better than the 2025 team and after the new CBA is settled Dewitt will likely open up the wallet.

If they trade everyone you mention, I don't think they'll be better than last year.
Obviously, they'll be better than the Rockies were last year, but I was being sarcastic.

Sure they could be bully:

-M. Mikolas, E. Fredde are gone----that's an upgrade already!

-A. Pallante is headed back to the pen', another rotation upgrade

(It would be hard for any starter to be worse than those three were in 2025)

-JJW replaces Donny, could be an even better offensive player

-NADO's glove will be missed but N. Gorman should provide more offense

-WillyC would be the BIG MISS, but a full season of I. Hererra could easily replace his offense

And that doesn't even count the players who come back via the trades who may be MLB ready!

Plus C. Bloom could still add via FA too.

I'll stick to my original thought I've had for some time bully, I think the 2026 team will be 4 - 10 games better than the 78-84 2025 version.

Hang in there.

I know ur bullish but I don’t see Gorman sticking at third. As a pitcher, I’d take an no hitting Arenado any day to a sometime hitting Gorman.

If/When NADP is dealt, then he's going to be at 3rd base until he plays himself off there BDog.

Let's hope Bloom has had his people working w/Gorman and he's taking a couple hundred ground balls a day this winter!

To be fair, he was much better the final few weeks of the season at 3rd base after he settled in.

He'll never be an above average fielder but I'd take him there if he hits 25-30+ HR's and is no worse than a -5 DRS/OAA.

Remember, every error or misplay doesn't lead to a run.

We just remember it more when they do.

I'd like to see a stat that shows me when a players error actually led to runs vs just the raw error total.

That error leads to another hitter. A runner to now hold on both pitcher and catcher. Even larger in a tie game, there’s your winning run. Higher pitch counts. An error might be the difference in a starters innings pitched.

He kills our pitching like Billy Williams used to.

And in the majority of cases an error doesn't lead to a run.

I'm willing to see how he does if NADO is dealt and he's there for a full season (if he stays healthy) in 2026.

This coming season is for finding out about players like Gorman once and for all.

Under Bloom, who I've been saying forever has no skin in the game when it comes to Gorman (or Walker), the leash will be short.

If Gorman (and Walker) flounder, then their failure is on Mo's resume and not Blooms.

[JDW]

I do not think the rebuild is over. Quite a ways to go would be my opinion.
Also, wasn't Contreras a better defensive 1B than Goldy in 2025? I think the metrics say so w/o checking first.