Bloom on releasing Arenado..”it’s not an option”

[scoutyjones2]

The argument is a moot point. There is not a better glove or position play than arenado. None. He’s the best in baseball. That should be a multiplier. Why is it not?

All the emphasis on arenado is his hitting. It’s gone light. Aside from that you have a good ball player.

The problem really is the money. A lite hitting gold glove caliber 3rd baseman has a price. When we meet that level he’s gone.

N/A is a better glove at 3b than Gorman, currently.
Better than Donovan or Fermin?
Unknown.
But N/A is no more than average defensively and that has been true for the past few years.

LMAO. Nado was 9th in the league in Outs Above Average, for 3b on MLB.

that's better than average

Smellville still wrong, still spewing his bull[shirt]

[rockondlouie]

But N/A is no more than average defensively and that has been true for the past few years.

"average"?

2025:

+6 DRS (8th most DRS in MLB)

+3 OAA (7th highest OAA - tied- in MLB)

"Past few years" = 2024/2025:

+12 DRS (5th most DRS in MLB)

+10 OAA (4th highest total OAA in MLB)

NADO is well above average at 3rd base mel.

[kscardsfan]

Someone is looking for attention.

[scoutyjones2]

Someone is looking for attention.

But it's never about him...till it is

[ICCFIM2]

If I had to guess, Arenado will play out his contract in St. Louis. Looking around the league, the Yankees 3B McMahon was not good after acquired. The Angels need a 3B. The Red Sox need a 3B. The Phillies have shopped Bohm, but is he really worse than Arenado? That is 3 teams of the contenders that need a 3B and the Angels. Bregman will get one of those 4 spots. There are 2 Japanese free agent 3B. If those Japanese 3B are more highly valued by the remaining 2 contenders, that is going to leave the Angels as the only spot for Arenado and that assumes the Phillies punt Bohm. While LA is home, would he rather finish out his career as a Cardinal and retire here or just go home to LA?

We don't here any rumors of teams clamoring for Arenado. There is $39.4M left on the contract of which Colorado is paying $5M. He is probably a $7.5M a year player, so the Cards would have to eat at least $20M and get nothing in return or a bit more to get a meh prospect in return. The Yankees benched Goldschmidt at the end of the year last year after his hot start. The fact they saw an aging star drop off so quick and have no value probably makes them less probable to take on Arenado when they are the team with the highest need and means to acquire him. Hence, I bet he stays.

[Melville]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Statistically Gorman is a zero war player at third base.

NA is well above that and still has a higher ceiling.

JJW is a 2B. And Fermin is not a starter in any reality.

Agree on Gorman. But I don’t agree with your point on Furman. He hasn’t really been given a chance to start, but when he has, he’s looked very good.

He has no glove. He's passable at 2b, but his career fielding % at all levels is .933 at SS and .937 at 3b. That's awful. 20 points worse than Gorman and he's a butcher.

If Gorman and Arenado have one thing in common, it’s that Bloom won’t let either flail for that long.

Largely correct.
Bloom rightfully wants N/A gone immediately.
Gorman likely has about 100 games in 2026 to claim the 3b job.

[Melville]

Arenado represents one of the last vestiges of the disappearing DeWitt Jr insistence on acquiring veterans for prospects to try to make the playoff every year. The other being Contreras.

I'm not surprised we are having trouble finding a team to take Arenado. We would likely have to pay his entire salary and even then a lot of teams wouldn't want him. Contreras should be easier to move. There could be a team willing to take his salary but we might be stuck with Arenado for another season. I haven't done a deep dive into the 3B position around the league but most rebuilding teams want a younger player at the position and I'm not sure there are any contending teams where Arenado would be better than their current 3B.

Perhaps a team will lose their 3B to injury and we can move him prior to July 31 but by then we aren't saving much money.

There is no reason to assume "we are having trouble finding a team to take Arenado".
The post-season movement via the trade channel has barely started.
Bloom may have a deal in place already, dependent upon other developments.
Or maybe not.
Far too soon to jump to conclusions.

[Melville]

Someone is looking for attention.

A few, in fact.

[renostl]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Statistically Gorman is a zero war player at third base.

NA is well above that and still has a higher ceiling.

JJW is a 2B. And Fermin is not a starter in any reality.

Agree on Gorman. But I don’t agree with your point on Furman. He hasn’t really been given a chance to start, but when he has, he’s looked very good.

It is what happens when a higher investment is in front of you
in either money or thoughts. Then they age out quick, as a soon to be 27 y/o
receives a new label, "4A player" "career MiLb".
Pretty common.

Gorman getting dealt will not surprise, especially if Bloom pivots from Donovan deals
he will have a market beyond this off season. Donovan has fans in the dugout and FO.
Gorman may not have any.

Arenado just needs to go. His glove is not enough to overcome what it will mean to stay on the treadmill
of having a player show up that really does not want to be here. He was as motivated to
come to camp in 2025 as he could be. Conditioned, added strength, improved bat speed etc.
We know what resulted along with a 107-game season when he could write himself into the lineup for 162.
His body wouldn't allow it. The only possibility of the age 35 NA getting some kind of bump in production is in a different jersey, He has a chance of being a dispirited player in St. Louis, jmo.

[Cusecards]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

In this respect Melville is eerily similar to Mozeliak - both continue to hope an average-to-bad ML player will suddenly become a good ML player.

And just as Mozeliak was wrong, so will Melville be wrong.

#1- I’m obviously rooting like hell for Gorman but to date he has not lived up to his draft time potential.
#2- He still has time to emerge and no problem giving him at least 2026 considering to team’s situation.
#3- ME-ville cracks me up with his hypocritical bias.

Look...this is an anonymous forum so all opinions are welcome and harmless.
ME-ville clearly has favorites(like Gorman) and at the other end of the spectrum players he rags on no matter what(Noot comes to mind but there are clearly others).

Again....I am hoping that Gorman emerges in 2026 up to the level that ME-ville crows about.
Fingers crossed!

[Melville]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

I don't profess any player to be anything other than what he has shown.
Gorman, despite the strikeouts, has consistently shown himself to be at 80 runs scored / 80 RBI bat per every 600 PA's.
That is not an endorsement.
It is simply the statistical record established by 4 years of data.

Except he sucks so bad he could never amass 600 ABs in a single year cuz he blows chunks.

Let's see how accurate those 80-80 stats are

2022-313 PA 44 Runs per 600= 84 35 RBI per 600= 67
2023-464 PA 59 Runs per 600= 76 76 RBI per 600= 98
2024-402 PA 42 Runs per 600= 62 50 RBI per 600= 74
2025-402 PA 48 Runs per 600= 71 46 RBI per 600= 68

So not once has he ever been an 80-80 guy in both stats and he only broke that barrier twice out of 8 attempts.

For his career, Gorman has averaged 76 runs/RBI (152 combined) per every 600 PA's - despite being constantly shuffled in and out of the lineup and shuffled between 5 different line-ups roles.
Yes, he has proven that he would produce at an 80/80 rate with regular, consistent playing time across 600 PA's - even without improving on his correct career .216 BA and .300 OBP.
That is not an endorsement.
But it is the reality.
Odd that folks allow their emotional bias to deny established data.

[Melville]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Statistically Gorman is a zero war player at third base.

NA is well above that and still has a higher ceiling.

JJW is a 2B. And Fermin is not a starter in any reality.

Agree on Gorman. But I don’t agree with your point on Furman. He hasn’t really been given a chance to start, but when he has, he’s looked very good.

It is what happens when a higher investment is in front of you
in either money or thoughts. Then they age out quick, as a soon to be 27 y/o
receives a new label, "4A player" "career MiLb".
Pretty common.

Gorman getting dealt will not surprise, especially if Bloom pivots from Donovan deals
he will have a market beyond this off season. Donovan has fans in the dugout and FO.
Gorman may not have any.

Arenado just needs to go. His glove is not enough to overcome what it will mean to stay on the treadmill
of having a player show up that really does not want to be here. He was as motivated to
come to camp in 2025 as he could be. Conditioned, added strength, improved bat speed etc.
We know what resulted along with a 107-game season when he could write himself into the lineup for 162.
His body wouldn't allow it. The only possibility of the age 35 NA getting some kind of bump in production is in a different jersey, He has a chance of being a dispirited player in St. Louis, jmo.

If either Donovan or Gorman have "fans in the dugout and FO" (to borrow your phrase), the organization is indeed in a very bad place.
Fans belong in the stands - nowhere else.
Super Slo Mo's 2nd greatest failure was falling in love - and when he fell, he always fell hard and nearly always for the wrong guy.
I have no such shortcoming - and I don't believe Bloom does either.
Bloom with be logical, strategic, and analytical - perhaps nearly as much as I am.
And I believe that will be his sole basis for roster construction decisions (other than DeWitt's various veto decisions concerning payroll).

[ScotchMIrish]

Arenado represents one of the last vestiges of the disappearing DeWitt Jr insistence on acquiring veterans for prospects to try to make the playoff every year. The other being Contreras.

I'm not surprised we are having trouble finding a team to take Arenado. We would likely have to pay his entire salary and even then a lot of teams wouldn't want him. Contreras should be easier to move. There could be a team willing to take his salary but we might be stuck with Arenado for another season. I haven't done a deep dive into the 3B position around the league but most rebuilding teams want a younger player at the position and I'm not sure there are any contending teams where Arenado would be better than their current 3B.

Perhaps a team will lose their 3B to injury and we can move him prior to July 31 but by then we aren't saving much money.

There is no reason to assume "we are having trouble finding a team to take Arenado".
The post-season movement via the trade channel has barely started.
Bloom may have a deal in place already, dependent upon other developments.
Or maybe not.
Far too soon to jump to conclusions.

He had no problem trading Gray because Gray experienced some decline but had a pretty good year. It is reasonable to expect we are having trouble. I think teams want Donovan as part of a deal for Arenado.

If I'm guessing right DeWitt III is now running things and he has a business degree. Would it be unreasonable to think Bloom has been instructed to get rid of Arenado and his salary? If that's the case then sweetening the deal by adding Donovan would be more likely to get a team to take all of Arenado's salary.

[renostl]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Statistically Gorman is a zero war player at third base.

NA is well above that and still has a higher ceiling.

JJW is a 2B. And Fermin is not a starter in any reality.

Agree on Gorman. But I don’t agree with your point on Furman. He hasn’t really been given a chance to start, but when he has, he’s looked very good.

It is what happens when a higher investment is in front of you
in either money or thoughts. Then they age out quick, as a soon to be 27 y/o
receives a new label, "4A player" "career MiLb".
Pretty common.

Gorman getting dealt will not surprise, especially if Bloom pivots from Donovan deals
he will have a market beyond this off season. Donovan has fans in the dugout and FO.
Gorman may not have any.

Arenado just needs to go. His glove is not enough to overcome what it will mean to stay on the treadmill
of having a player show up that really does not want to be here. He was as motivated to
come to camp in 2025 as he could be. Conditioned, added strength, improved bat speed etc.
We know what resulted along with a 107-game season when he could write himself into the lineup for 162.
His body wouldn't allow it. The only possibility of the age 35 NA getting some kind of bump in production is in a different jersey, He has a chance of being a dispirited player in St. Louis, jmo.

If either Donovan or Gorman have "fans in the dugout and FO" (to borrow your phrase), the organization is indeed in a very bad place.
Fans belong in the stands - nowhere else.
Super Slo Mo's 2nd greatest failure was falling in love - and when he fell, he always fell hard and nearly always for the wrong guy.
I have no such shortcoming - and I don't believe Bloom does either.
Bloom with be logical, strategic, and analytical - perhaps nearly as much as I am.
And I believe that will be his sole basis for roster construction decisions (other than DeWitt's various veto decisions concerning payroll).

The word fan is what you want to take exception with?

The short hand versions of why a unbiased assessment can
be mentioned without mentioning each attribute of a player or
employee. In my world that good management and understood
Fair enough a poor choice of words, my apologies.

Donovan
He as support in the dugout due to what he brings to the team.
Leadership, production, performance, work, effort, holding others accountable'
be held in high regard by others and unsolicited receiving public praise.

Reasons that he is desired by other teams.

Gorman has shown a failure to take advantage of opportunities to this point.
He has not been mentioned being a part of 2026 this off season. He has not
been mentioned as working on his game, doing assigned drills, working in Jupiter
mentioned as the 2026 3B or anything really. Silence. Compare other
players who under performed in 2025. VS2, JW.

I could be wrong and missed it and I am willing to be corrected.

To make an observation of the difference from a far with subjectivity,
There appears to be a decrease in how he is regarded in the FO and the dugout.
When that happens future opportunities decrease. He will not improve
in St. Louis if, big if on my part, that is true. Silence is not accidental.

Fans was so much simpler. Hope that helps.

[Melville]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Statistically Gorman is a zero war player at third base.

NA is well above that and still has a higher ceiling.

JJW is a 2B. And Fermin is not a starter in any reality.

Agree on Gorman. But I don’t agree with your point on Furman. He hasn’t really been given a chance to start, but when he has, he’s looked very good.

It is what happens when a higher investment is in front of you
in either money or thoughts. Then they age out quick, as a soon to be 27 y/o
receives a new label, "4A player" "career MiLb".
Pretty common.

Gorman getting dealt will not surprise, especially if Bloom pivots from Donovan deals
he will have a market beyond this off season. Donovan has fans in the dugout and FO.
Gorman may not have any.

Arenado just needs to go. His glove is not enough to overcome what it will mean to stay on the treadmill
of having a player show up that really does not want to be here. He was as motivated to
come to camp in 2025 as he could be. Conditioned, added strength, improved bat speed etc.
We know what resulted along with a 107-game season when he could write himself into the lineup for 162.
His body wouldn't allow it. The only possibility of the age 35 NA getting some kind of bump in production is in a different jersey, He has a chance of being a dispirited player in St. Louis, jmo.

If either Donovan or Gorman have "fans in the dugout and FO" (to borrow your phrase), the organization is indeed in a very bad place.
Fans belong in the stands - nowhere else.
Super Slo Mo's 2nd greatest failure was falling in love - and when he fell, he always fell hard and nearly always for the wrong guy.
I have no such shortcoming - and I don't believe Bloom does either.
Bloom with be logical, strategic, and analytical - perhaps nearly as much as I am.
And I believe that will be his sole basis for roster construction decisions (other than DeWitt's various veto decisions concerning payroll).

The word fan is what you want to take exception with?

The short hand versions of why a unbiased assessment can
be mentioned without mentioning each attribute of a player or
employee. In my world that good management and understood
Fair enough a poor choice of words, my apologies.

Donovan
He as support in the dugout due to what he brings to the team.
Leadership, production, performance, work, effort, holding others accountable'
be held in high regard by others and unsolicited receiving public praise.

Reasons that he is desired by other teams.

Gorman has shown a failure to take advantage of opportunities to this point.
He has not been mentioned being a part of 2026 this off season. He has not
been mentioned as working on his game, doing assigned drills, working in Jupiter
mentioned as the 2026 3B or anything really. Silence. Compare other
players who under performed in 2025. VS2, JW.

I could be wrong and missed it and I am willing to be corrected.

To make an observation of the difference from a far with subjectivity,
There appears to be a decrease in how he is regarded in the FO and the dugout.
When that happens future opportunities decrease. He will not improve
in St. Louis if, big if on my part, that is true. Silence is not accidental.

Fans was so much simpler. Hope that helps.

Allow me to kindly clarify a slight and doubtless fully unintentional misrepresentation in your post above.
I took no exception to the word "fans" as you incorrectly stated - but I did question your actual phrase "fans in the dugout and FO".
Bloom will not be swayed by such a notion - though it was standard practice during Super Slo Mo's tenure.
Bloom will be logical, strategic, and analytical - there will be no sentiment involved - in his decision making.
Whether involving Gorman or any other player.
He won't get everything right - no one can.
But he won't get caught up in any perceived allegiances or endorsements - and he has made that perfectly clear in his behavior thus far.
Now, as for ANY one player having "not been mentioned as working on his game, doing assigned drills", we both know that is a specious take and rather revealing of your own bias.
We both know full well that EVERY PLAYER in MLB works on his game EVERY off-season - whether you or I either one read a snippet about it.
Their lucrative income depends on it.

[renostl]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Statistically Gorman is a zero war player at third base.

NA is well above that and still has a higher ceiling.

JJW is a 2B. And Fermin is not a starter in any reality.

Agree on Gorman. But I don’t agree with your point on Furman. He hasn’t really been given a chance to start, but when he has, he’s looked very good.

It is what happens when a higher investment is in front of you
in either money or thoughts. Then they age out quick, as a soon to be 27 y/o
receives a new label, "4A player" "career MiLb".
Pretty common.

Gorman getting dealt will not surprise, especially if Bloom pivots from Donovan deals
he will have a market beyond this off season. Donovan has fans in the dugout and FO.
Gorman may not have any.

Arenado just needs to go. His glove is not enough to overcome what it will mean to stay on the treadmill
of having a player show up that really does not want to be here. He was as motivated to
come to camp in 2025 as he could be. Conditioned, added strength, improved bat speed etc.
We know what resulted along with a 107-game season when he could write himself into the lineup for 162.
His body wouldn't allow it. The only possibility of the age 35 NA getting some kind of bump in production is in a different jersey, He has a chance of being a dispirited player in St. Louis, jmo.

If either Donovan or Gorman have "fans in the dugout and FO" (to borrow your phrase), the organization is indeed in a very bad place.
Fans belong in the stands - nowhere else.
Super Slo Mo's 2nd greatest failure was falling in love - and when he fell, he always fell hard and nearly always for the wrong guy.
I have no such shortcoming - and I don't believe Bloom does either.
Bloom with be logical, strategic, and analytical - perhaps nearly as much as I am.
And I believe that will be his sole basis for roster construction decisions (other than DeWitt's various veto decisions concerning payroll).

The word fan is what you want to take exception with?

The short hand versions of why a unbiased assessment can
be mentioned without mentioning each attribute of a player or
employee. In my world that good management and understood
Fair enough a poor choice of words, my apologies.

Donovan
He as support in the dugout due to what he brings to the team.
Leadership, production, performance, work, effort, holding others accountable'
be held in high regard by others and unsolicited receiving public praise.

Reasons that he is desired by other teams.

Gorman has shown a failure to take advantage of opportunities to this point.
He has not been mentioned being a part of 2026 this off season. He has not
been mentioned as working on his game, doing assigned drills, working in Jupiter
mentioned as the 2026 3B or anything really. Silence. Compare other
players who under performed in 2025. VS2, JW.

I could be wrong and missed it and I am willing to be corrected.

To make an observation of the difference from a far with subjectivity,
There appears to be a decrease in how he is regarded in the FO and the dugout.
When that happens future opportunities decrease. He will not improve
in St. Louis if, big if on my part, that is true. Silence is not accidental.

Fans was so much simpler. Hope that helps.

Allow me to kindly clarify a slight and doubtless fully unintentional misrepresentation in your post above.
I took no exception to the word "fans" as you incorrectly stated - but I did question your actual phrase "fans in the dugout and FO".
Bloom will not be swayed by such a notion - though it was standard practice during Super Slo Mo's tenure.
Bloom will be logical, strategic, and analytical - there will be no sentiment involved - in his decision making.
Whether involving Gorman or any other player.
He won't get everything right - no one can.
But he won't get caught up in any perceived allegiances or endorsements - and he has made that perfectly clear in his behavior thus far.
Now, as for ANY one player having "not been mentioned as working on his game, doing assigned drills", we both know that is a specious take and rather revealing of your own bias.
We both know full well that EVERY PLAYER in MLB works on his game EVERY off-season - whether you or I either one read a snippet about it.
Their lucrative income depends on it.

Strange you choose to perseverate on this.

When I am a fan of a players work or a employees work is
because of objective observations that include their production.
their interactions with others, their adherence to the culture as expected.
It does not mean a single other thing. We may have zero things in common.

Now if you have never liked somebodies work or been a fan of
a job one may be doing for you fine. Bloom has plenty
of logical objective data to stop giving Gorman opportunities.

There is nothing specious regarding Gorman's numbers of the last two seasons.
BA .203 and .205
OBP .271 and .296
SLG .400 and .370

804 PA have produced
146 H
31 HR
96 RBI
287 SO

along with a combined -15 OAA at both 2B and 3B. In your projected 3B -9 in only 400
innings. I've seen far less data that resulted in far more critic. You as well as any are aware
that I have supported the guy. Bloom if as objective as we want him to be and having
lucrative income depending on it has reason to turn the page on the man.
It is not a reach to think such. A decrease in opportunity will not help Gorman. A portion of your
defense of this player has suggested such. Speculation that Bloom may pivot from
dealing Donovan to dealing Gorman even if unlikely could happen and be considered
objectively as an improvement for the 2026 roster.