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I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
How about Starling Marte, Dawg?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:09 amThose are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.
We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.
He’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:33 amHow about Starling Marte, Dawg?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:09 amThose are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.
We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.
Right now we have -sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:42 amHe’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:33 amHow about Starling Marte, Dawg?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:09 amThose are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.
We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.
On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 20:43 pmExactly. BDW had to step in to close that trade. It was too much for Mo to do by himself. He would've pooped in his Fruit of the Looms.rockondlouie wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 10:43 amSo was Goldy.Cranny wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 10:40 amArenado’s was a steal.Goldfan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 10:08 amGoldy and NA were big money contractsCranny wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 09:28 amTotally agree that we will need some players from outside.Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Sep 2025 21:19 pmPoint is the Cards have never had winning teams without external Vets in key positions. This notion of building the entire MLB team without a couple top tier FA or trades is fantasyCranny wrote: ↑21 Sep 2025 20:35 pmThe Mets have a $341 million salary cost, and they’re 4 games over .500. Whoop-Dee-Do.Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Sep 2025 14:36 pmThis homegrown fantasy is just thatBanner29 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2025 14:27 pmCranny wrote: ↑21 Sep 2025 13:30 pmSerious question, Rock. Would you rather “buy” a World Championship or earn it through a strong developmental system with your own payers?rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Sep 2025 13:05 pm One Day
If I had E. Musk or L. Ellison's money and BDWJr would sell.
Cleveland and Tampa Bay can’t do it despite their success with “their own players”
In order to win you also have to buy, this has been proven. It doesn’t go away or make it any less true by ignoring it every single time it’s brought up to you.
2004 first WS in YEARs
Either signed or through trade
Starters
Matheny
Rolen
Renteria
Womack
Sanders
Edmonds
Walker
SP
Carp
Williams
Suppan
Marquis
Just don’t see big name FAs being signed to huge long term contracts. Maybe signings like Beltran/Berkman or trades like the Goldy/Arenado trades.
And BDWJr did a masterful job as he was the one who negotiated that $55M gift from the Rockies.
Cranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:48 amRight now we have -sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:42 amHe’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:33 amHow about Starling Marte, Dawg?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:09 amThose are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.
We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.
On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.
LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker
A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.
Getting Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray proves that BDW is not a “miser”. But he won’t tie up a large % of payroll in one player. Who may go down with injury for an extended time.Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:04 amCranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:48 amRight now we have -sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:42 amHe’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:33 amHow about Starling Marte, Dawg?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:09 amThose are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.
We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.
On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.
LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker
A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.
I agree Bill WASN'T a "miser" but there's no denying he's now going CHEAP and it's costed him 1M in attendance this season as I said it would all last Winter.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 14:31 pmGetting Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray proves that BDW is not a “miser”. But he won’t tie up a large % of payroll in one player. Who may go down with injury for an extended time.Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:04 amCranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:48 amRight now we have -sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:42 amHe’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:33 amHow about Starling Marte, Dawg?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:09 amThose are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.
We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.
On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.
LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker
A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.
You’ve stated several times that going forward BDW isn’t going to pay FA $$$ and the team will almost exclusively need to develop from within. So which is it? Signing a 35+yr old end of career starter isn’t going to move the needle. You pen Berkman often. That team had Pujols, Holliday, Molina, Carpenter……so again your strategy doesn’t hold water. If this team were to attempt to compete next season they would require 2 top hitters and 2 top SP…..there will never be a season where at LEAST that percentage of starters wont’t need to come from Prime Vet talent.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 14:31 pmGetting Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray proves that BDW is not a “miser”. But he won’t tie up a large % of payroll in one player. Who may go down with injury for an extended time.Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:04 amCranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:48 amRight now we have -sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:42 amHe’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:33 amHow about Starling Marte, Dawg?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:09 amThose are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:19 amCards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:12 am What I’d do.
Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.
Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.
Herrera left Scott center.
Tucker right field.
Walker to minors.
Staff
Gray Libby McG Pallante
Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.
May cost Walker plus, so be it.
Results- plus .500 team.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.
We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.
On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.
LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker
A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.
Well said....apparently some DeTwit supporters believe 'hoping' will work everything out...that's not a plan...and the fans are responding!Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 14:57 pmYou’ve stated several times that going forward BDW isn’t going to pay FA $$$ and the team will almost exclusively need to develop from within. So which is it? Signing a 35+yr old end of career starter isn’t going to move the needle. You pen Berkman often. That team had Pujols, Holliday, Molina, Carpenter……so again your strategy doesn’t hold water. If this team were to attempt to compete next season they would require 2 top hitters and 2 top SP…..there will never be a season where at LEAST that percentage of starters wont’t need to come from Prime Vet talent.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 14:31 pmGetting Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray proves that BDW is not a “miser”. But he won’t tie up a large % of payroll in one player. Who may go down with injury for an extended time.Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 09:04 amCranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:48 amRight now we have -sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:42 amHe’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:33 amHow about Starling Marte, Dawg?sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:09 amThose are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 07:04 amLet’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:42 amYou are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:34 amCould be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 06:26 amI’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.
Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.
Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.
We are in a texas size mud hole right now.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.
Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.
We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.
On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.
LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker
A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.