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[WLTFE]

Apparently the front office (donkey) kisser who complains about posters 'living on CT?' is actively challenging anybody who criticizes Mo-ran and DeTwit on every [fork]ing thread...it is kinda sad but they are harmless.

[sikeston bulldog2]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

[Cranny]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

[sikeston bulldog2]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

[Cranny]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

[MrPostman01]

5 minutes.

at winter meetings mass hypnotize all other teams to give us their best but also pay for them.

[sikeston bulldog2]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

[Cranny]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

How about Starling Marte, Dawg?

[sikeston bulldog2]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

How about Starling Marte, Dawg?

He’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.

On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.

[Cranny]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

How about Starling Marte, Dawg?

He’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.

On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.

Right now we have -

LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker

A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.

[rockondlouie]

One Day

If I had E. Musk or L. Ellison's money and BDWJr would sell.

Serious question, Rock. Would you rather “buy” a World Championship or earn it through a strong developmental system with your own payers?

Cleveland and Tampa Bay can’t do it despite their success with “their own players”

In order to win you also have to buy, this has been proven. It doesn’t go away or make it any less true by ignoring it every single time it’s brought up to you.

This homegrown fantasy is just that
2004 first WS in YEARs
Either signed or through trade
Starters
Matheny
Rolen
Renteria
Womack
Sanders
Edmonds
Walker
SP
Carp
Williams
Suppan
Marquis

The Mets have a $341 million salary cost, and they’re 4 games over .500. Whoop-Dee-Do.

Point is the Cards have never had winning teams without external Vets in key positions. This notion of building the entire MLB team without a couple top tier FA or trades is fantasy

Totally agree that we will need some players from outside.
Just don’t see big name FAs being signed to huge long term contracts. Maybe signings like Beltran/Berkman or trades like the Goldy/Arenado trades.

Goldy and NA were big money contracts

Arenado’s was a steal.

So was Goldy.

And BDWJr did a masterful job as he was the one who negotiated that $55M gift from the Rockies.

Exactly. BDW had to step in to close that trade. It was too much for Mo to do by himself. He would've pooped in his Fruit of the Looms.

Mo did not make that trade happen.

[Goldfan]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

How about Starling Marte, Dawg?

He’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.

On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.

Right now we have -

LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker

A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.

Cranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.

[Cranny]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

How about Starling Marte, Dawg?

He’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.

On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.

Right now we have -

LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker

A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.

Cranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.

Getting Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray proves that BDW is not a “miser”. But he won’t tie up a large % of payroll in one player. Who may go down with injury for an extended time.

[rockondlouie]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

How about Starling Marte, Dawg?

He’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.

On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.

Right now we have -

LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker

A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.

Cranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.

Getting Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray proves that BDW is not a “miser”. But he won’t tie up a large % of payroll in one player. Who may go down with injury for an extended time.

I agree Bill WASN'T a "miser" but there's no denying he's now going CHEAP and it's costed him 1M in attendance this season as I said it would all last Winter.

Next season he'll be lucky to draw 2M and sub 2M is realistic.

And he did have an idiot wasting multi-millions of his payroll dollars and he "okayed" those moves.

[Goldfan]

What I’d do.

Trade- noot. Willy, waive NTC, Nado.

Keep- Gorman, first base. Donovan second. Winn SS, JJ third.

Herrera left Scott center.

Tucker right field.

Walker to minors.

Staff

Gray Libby McG Pallante


Add - tucker. Add I stud pitcher by trade.

May cost Walker plus, so be it.

Results- plus .500 team.

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

How about Starling Marte, Dawg?

He’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.

On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.

Right now we have -

LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker

A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.

Cranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.

Getting Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray proves that BDW is not a “miser”. But he won’t tie up a large % of payroll in one player. Who may go down with injury for an extended time.

You’ve stated several times that going forward BDW isn’t going to pay FA $$$ and the team will almost exclusively need to develop from within. So which is it? Signing a 35+yr old end of career starter isn’t going to move the needle. You pen Berkman often. That team had Pujols, Holliday, Molina, Carpenter……so again your strategy doesn’t hold water. If this team were to attempt to compete next season they would require 2 top hitters and 2 top SP…..there will never be a season where at LEAST that percentage of starters wont’t need to come from Prime Vet talent.

[WLTFE]

Cards won’t compete in open market competition for top FAs. Ergo, no Tucker.

I’m aware. I stated what I would do. Until we spend or trade for top level talent, we remain a flightless bird.

Could be. Unless several top prospects develop well and they augment with older vets on short term contracts like they did with Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.

You are correct. If several top prospects. Can’t you see the danger in your statement. Several means 3 or more. Who and where are three top flight prospects?

Older vets. We have no Beltran or Berkman. That’s one of our problems. No senior leadership.

Here’s our deal. This isn’t our Cardinal teams of past. We are no longer upper tier. So when you get mediocre, it takes more of what you and I are discussing.

We are in a texas size mud hole right now.

Let’s look for older guys like Beltran, Berkman, Lester, etc.
Free agent older guys who still have some gas left in the tank, and can provide leadership. Then have Walker, Gorman, Crooks, Jordan, and Baez work with Jim Edmonds over the off season.

Those are neat ideas, but let’s examine. Again I ask, who are these older vets? I don’t see any, not to the kevel you desire. That’s one of my points- they no longer exist. This part of the game has changed.

Working with Edmonds. Who would truly allow or do that, and then out of the six you named, only two ish May develop. That’s still leaves us short reference several.

We still need to spend or trade big. I say again these are not normal times. We are in a rut sir.

How about Starling Marte, Dawg?

He’s 36. In his 14 th year. A classic aging vet.

On a deep team, his experience and fourth outfielder role would be fine; on a mediocre team, he would bring zero effects. Not enough around him to support his age.

Right now we have -

LF - Burleson
CF - Scott
RF - Walker

A veteran like Marte might be the ideal guy to put into the OF mix.

Cranny acknowledged that past great Cards teams were full of vets from trades/FA and also acknowledged that path is required in the future, but then states Cards won’t compete in open market. Think about the timeline for internal promotions to field a starting lineup…..it’s illogical. By the time a prospect might really be ready any of your talent on controlled status will be FA…..
If the Cards will ever compete again it’ll be at the time when their internal youth breaks out and the Billionaire miser signs/trades for at least 2-3 top players.

Getting Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, and Gray proves that BDW is not a “miser”. But he won’t tie up a large % of payroll in one player. Who may go down with injury for an extended time.

You’ve stated several times that going forward BDW isn’t going to pay FA $$$ and the team will almost exclusively need to develop from within. So which is it? Signing a 35+yr old end of career starter isn’t going to move the needle. You pen Berkman often. That team had Pujols, Holliday, Molina, Carpenter……so again your strategy doesn’t hold water. If this team were to attempt to compete next season they would require 2 top hitters and 2 top SP…..there will never be a season where at LEAST that percentage of starters wont’t need to come from Prime Vet talent.

Well said....apparently some DeTwit supporters believe 'hoping' will work everything out...that's not a plan...and the fans are responding!