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OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:44 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:28 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:22 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:11 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 09:45 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 09:08 am Red -

The Cardinals style was to trade for players, and if they fit in extend them. They didn’t give longer term contracts to free agents. Then along came the Leake, Fowler and Cecil signings. Which I didn’t like because they were outside the business plan which had been so successful. And none of those 3 fit in well.

When the Cardinals traded Arozarena, he was slashing .358/.435/.593/1,028 at Memphis. I posted at the time that it might have been because he broke the locker room code. What happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse. Then Mo made that strange and revealing comment that they need to “reassess how they rated talent in the minors”.

No need to lecture me. I've been around just about as long as you and Mo has made some good moves and some bad. It is his "better than you" attitude toward fans and lack of honesty that has always bothered me. Just seems he is not of us a fan.

I'm not lecturing you at all, Red. I'm just reiterating some of the things I said at the time, since it was many moons ago.

Aroz trade has been a disaster.

Cranny's gate swings both ways. He was very much in favor of trading him after his comments.

Actually what I said is that I wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded after he breached clubhouse etiquette.

So, you are back tracking? Just as I figured.

Not that much unusual.

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 18:47 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:44 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:28 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:22 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:11 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 09:45 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 09:08 am Red -

The Cardinals style was to trade for players, and if they fit in extend them. They didn’t give longer term contracts to free agents. Then along came the Leake, Fowler and Cecil signings. Which I didn’t like because they were outside the business plan which had been so successful. And none of those 3 fit in well.

When the Cardinals traded Arozarena, he was slashing .358/.435/.593/1,028 at Memphis. I posted at the time that it might have been because he broke the locker room code. What happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse. Then Mo made that strange and revealing comment that they need to “reassess how they rated talent in the minors”.

No need to lecture me. I've been around just about as long as you and Mo has made some good moves and some bad. It is his "better than you" attitude toward fans and lack of honesty that has always bothered me. Just seems he is not of us a fan.

I'm not lecturing you at all, Red. I'm just reiterating some of the things I said at the time, since it was many moons ago.

Aroz trade has been a disaster.

Cranny's gate swings both ways. He was very much in favor of trading him after his comments.

Actually what I said is that I wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded after he breached clubhouse etiquette.

So, you are back tracking? Just as I figured.

Not that much unusual.

Red -

Why be so fiesty and critical? It’s unbecoming and not needed.

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 21:14 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 18:47 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:44 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 17:28 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:22 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:11 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 09:45 am

Cranny wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 09:08 am Red -

The Cardinals style was to trade for players, and if they fit in extend them. They didn’t give longer term contracts to free agents. Then along came the Leake, Fowler and Cecil signings. Which I didn’t like because they were outside the business plan which had been so successful. And none of those 3 fit in well.

When the Cardinals traded Arozarena, he was slashing .358/.435/.593/1,028 at Memphis. I posted at the time that it might have been because he broke the locker room code. What happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse. Then Mo made that strange and revealing comment that they need to “reassess how they rated talent in the minors”.

No need to lecture me. I've been around just about as long as you and Mo has made some good moves and some bad. It is his "better than you" attitude toward fans and lack of honesty that has always bothered me. Just seems he is not of us a fan.

I'm not lecturing you at all, Red. I'm just reiterating some of the things I said at the time, since it was many moons ago.

Aroz trade has been a disaster.

Cranny's gate swings both ways. He was very much in favor of trading him after his comments.

Actually what I said is that I wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded after he breached clubhouse etiquette.

So, you are back tracking? Just as I figured.

Not that much unusual.

Red -

Why be so fiesty and critical? It’s unbecoming and not needed.

Report me if you don't like my comments. And it is feisty.

60 year Cardinal fan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 18:15 pm I am a day late, but after reading through these posts I agree with several others that Ordinary Man summed up my feelings very adequately.

thetank2 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 12:57 pm I sure learn alot here.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 09:46 am Let me ask posters a question. Mo came to the Cardinals with Walt in 1995. He’s been with the Cardinals in various capacities up and down the organization for 30 years. During that time, the Cardinals have had four losing seasons. Four. And they have been in the World Series 3 times, winning 2 World Championships. He’s been honored by being named MLB Executive of the Year multiple times.

I’ll fully admit that the Cardinals have been disappointing over the past decade, with an abysmal
playoff record (when they even made the playoffs). Very disappointing to fans, including this one.

Criticize the downslide and various moves that didn’t work out, sure. But why all the vicious personal attacks? Cruel and nasty nicknames, making fun of the way he dresses, etc. One poster even wanted to assault him and smash him in the face. Another talked about bird feces on him.

Express disappointment and display frustration, sure, but why all the other nasty personal stuff? Maybe we should recognize both the good and the bad over 30 years.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 10:51 am It's a combination a "Mo fatigue" couple w/his SMUG ATTITUDE that turns people off.

BDWJr is the one who caused all this as I started to point out years ago when I started multiple threads stating:

"BILL DEWITT, Jr is the REAL PROBLEM"

Bill knew good & well that Mo's approach had become stale and that he needed to overhaul the entire front office.

Yet he failed to act, content to draw that 3+M as the $$$$$$$$$$$ kept rolling in.

Had he fired Mo years ago and brought in fresh blood like he has now in C. Bloom, then Mo might have escaped the dislike most cardinals fans have for him.

So blame Mo for the smugness, but blame Dewitt for failing to act sooner.

JMO

Driver Dave wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 00:04 am How about he was here one year too long. Please sell and let’s rebuild this franchise.

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 07:46 am

Driver Dave wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 00:04 am How about he was here one year too long. Please sell and let’s rebuild this franchise.

Thank you, Dave. Finally after all the simplistic basher posts, you have provided a voice of reason.

Goldfan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 08:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 07:46 am

Driver Dave wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 00:04 am How about he was here one year too long. Please sell and let’s rebuild this franchise.

Thank you, Dave. Finally after all the simplistic basher posts, you have provided a voice of reason.

But it’s not accurate.
The extent of destruction under Mo is deep and will take years to hopefully correct. If it’s corrected…..perhaps BDW was giving the marching orders but in either case the last 10 yrs has:
Left the team with no current internal SP
No Outfield
Hole at Catcher
Last place finish
First round playoff knockouts
FA who become old and worthless while still under contract
Years waiting for supposed “prospects” to bloom and never do
How anyone can look at MO’s leadership during that time and the state this team has been for years and somehow rationalize as successful is lunacy

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 08:16 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 08:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 07:46 am

Driver Dave wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 00:04 am How about he was here one year too long. Please sell and let’s rebuild this franchise.

Thank you, Dave. Finally after all the simplistic basher posts, you have provided a voice of reason.

But it’s not accurate.
The extent of destruction under Mo is deep and will take years to hopefully correct. If it’s corrected…..perhaps BDW was giving the marching orders but in either case the last 10 yrs has:
Left the team with no current internal SP
No Outfield
Hole at Catcher
Last place finish
First round playoff knockouts
FA who become old and worthless while still under contract
Years waiting for supposed “prospects” to bloom and never do
How anyone can look at MO’s leadership during that time and the state this team has been for years and somehow rationalize as successful is lunacy

I guess, Goldfan, because he was also part of the very successful years in the cardinals history. In various capacities. Sure it was some time ago, but don’t be naive to think he didn’t have at least a little to do with those successes.

Goldfan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 08:21 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 08:16 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 08:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 07:46 am

Driver Dave wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 00:04 am How about he was here one year too long. Please sell and let’s rebuild this franchise.

Thank you, Dave. Finally after all the simplistic basher posts, you have provided a voice of reason.

But it’s not accurate.
The extent of destruction under Mo is deep and will take years to hopefully correct. If it’s corrected…..perhaps BDW was giving the marching orders but in either case the last 10 yrs has:
Left the team with no current internal SP
No Outfield
Hole at Catcher
Last place finish
First round playoff knockouts
FA who become old and worthless while still under contract
Years waiting for supposed “prospects” to bloom and never do
How anyone can look at MO’s leadership during that time and the state this team has been for years and somehow rationalize as successful is lunacy

I guess, Goldfan, because he was also part of the very successful years in the cardinals history. In various capacities. Sure it was some time ago, but don’t be naive to think he didn’t have at least a little to do with those successes.

And if he left in 2015 you’d be correct and we’d bestow all the wonderful accolades upon him…..to dismiss or forget the last decade is malfeasance

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 08:16 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 08:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 07:46 am

Driver Dave wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 00:04 am How about he was here one year too long. Please sell and let’s rebuild this franchise.

Thank you, Dave. Finally after all the simplistic basher posts, you have provided a voice of reason.

But it’s not accurate.
The extent of destruction under Mo is deep and will take years to hopefully correct. If it’s corrected…..perhaps BDW was giving the marching orders but in either case the last 10 yrs has:
Left the team with no current internal SP
No Outfield
Hole at Catcher
Last place finish
First round playoff knockouts
FA who become old and worthless while still under contract
Years waiting for supposed “prospects” to bloom and never do
How anyone can look at MO’s leadership during that time and the state this team has been for years and somehow rationalize as successful is lunacy

I guess, Goldfan, because he was also part of the very successful years in the cardinals history. In various capacities. Sure it was some time ago, but don’t be naive to think he didn’t have at least a little to do with those successes.