John Mozeliak

[skeezix]

So, when milk curdles because it's past the expiration date, we should continue drinking it? Call 911, because you're on your way to the ER.

That's Mo's recent job performance review.

[Cranny]

What causes any poster to say that Mo has a “punchable face”? That’s pure personal opinion, and symbolic of personal attack.

[rockondlouie]

It's a combination a "Mo fatigue" couple w/his SMUG ATTITUDE that turns people off.

BDWJr is the one who caused all this as I started to point out years ago when I started multiple threads stating:

"BILL DEWITT, Jr is the REAL PROBLEM"

Bill knew good & well that Mo's approach had become stale and that he needed to overhaul the entire front office.

Yet he failed to act, content to draw that 3+M as the $$$$$$$$$$$ kept rolling in.

Had he fired Mo years ago and brought in fresh blood like he has now in C. Bloom, then Mo might have escaped the dislike most cardinals fans have for him.

So blame Mo for the smugness, but blame Dewitt for failing to act sooner.

JMO

[Rocket Scientist]

He wears a bow tie and sweaters tied around his neck this screams dumb[ash]. He's done nothing on the field to disprove his look. Trading 2 cy young candidates for nothing, dress like this.

[BrummerStealsHome]

Let me ask posters a question. Mo came to the Cardinals with Walt in 1995. He’s been with the Cardinals in various capacities up and down the organization for 30 years. During that time, the Cardinals have had four losing seasons. Four. And they have been in the World Series 3 times, winning 2 World Championships. He’s been honored by being named MLB Executive of the Year multiple times.

I’ll fully admit that the Cardinals have been disappointing over the past decade, with an abysmal
playoff record (when they even made the playoffs). Very disappointing to fans, including this one.

Criticize the downslide and various moves that didn’t work out, sure. But why all the vicious personal attacks? Cruel and nasty nicknames, making fun of the way he dresses, etc. One poster even wanted to assault him and smash him in the face. Another talked about bird feces on him.

Express disappointment and display frustration, sure, but why all the other nasty personal stuff? Maybe we should recognize both the good and the bad over 30 years.

New to the internets, Cranny? It's ain't called anti-social media for nothing.

[OldRed]

What causes any poster to say that Mo has a “punchable face”? That’s pure personal opinion, and symbolic of personal attack.

You ask for individual opinions and then challenge their personal opinions.

[dugoutrex]

won't be long before we start criticizing Bloom

first nickname ... algae bloom ?

[Adam2]

Question for Cranny specifically:

This is not me being a wise-A@@, honest question.

why do you expend so much time and energy focused on always defending ownership and the front office? i know you said in this thread you understood Mo has not been great generally the last decade, but any thread at all that brings up criticism of the front office you always have to jump in and defend

I'm not saying you are correct or incorrect in your responses, i am just genuinely curious

[Banner29]

won't be long before we start criticizing Bloom

first nickname ... algae bloom ?

What’s funny is the first offenders will be the ones fighting so hard in Mos honor

[sdaltons]

It's really very simple.

When Mo started, this organization was run by a top baseball man who understood it takes a village of top baseball men to build a successful organization. They had top baseball men at all levels whom they trusted to all work towards the same goal in supporting the organization. This era produced many of the impressive results to which you refer.

As those top baseball men aged out and retired, Mo, fairly young compared to the others, rose in power. He eventually was given the top job and it gradually became evident he did not approach building the organization in the same way.

He continued to phase out the remaining top baseball men - it seemed he wanted to show it could be done without a village. I don't know that it was arrogance, but he certainly approached fans with arrogance. It all gives the appearance of someone who wants everyone to know he is smarter than them.

But in any case, the results began to suffer, calling into question whether he qualified as a top baseball man and he responded by doubling down. He promoted experienced coaches to the majors and then pushed them out when results didn't improve. He only hired people with no experience. He has now admitted they took focus off player development, which is baffling for an organization that has the stated goal of building from within. They knew they couldn't compete with the big spenders but they didn't focus on developing.

Ultimately he's leaving the organization in a worse state than how it was when he became the boss. That has to be part of his legacy.

[rockondlouie]

won't be long before we start criticizing Bloom

first nickname ... algae bloom ?

First bad trade and we'll start reading, "Blooming Idiot".

[82birds]

Ok, I'll bite.

He's been employed WAY past his expiration date. He's done hardly anything of note for the last many years. The Arenado and Goldschmidt deals were like gimme putts. If any real effort was needed to get what the team needed for postseason success, he usually punted. Dry powder, low hanging fruit and arbitrage. Yeah, that's a word he actually used. And a guy returning from the IL was 'just like making a trade'.

The money our disinterested owner provided for salaries, Moe pretty much wasted on stupid contracts and extensions, too many to mention here. The coaching and minor league system went to hell. Remember the women's softball coach who was hired as the assistant hitting coach? Does that sound like something a proud major league team would do?

He's been the face of the team for many years and has a smug, I know everything attitude about him. He and the owners thought the fans were suckers that would show up for anything. I'll admit, it took a while for most the of the fans to figure out they were being scammed. But look at the attendance now!

I don't get into the personal attacks myself, (in fact I hardly ever post) but I can understand when frustrated fans do. This team went from being a standard bearer of the National League to being just another team to beat up on. On his watch. I won't miss him.

^that is excellent Ordinary Man !

[rightthinker4]

I'll be honest here. I used to generally like him and i think his overall career has been very good.

For me he just rubs me the wrong way, the smugness. I know that shouldn't bother me but it always has.

To be fair to him i was at a game last year and he was walking down the concourse. Many people saw him. A boy probably 7 years old or so ran up to him and asked for an autograph. He squatted down, signed the hat and seemed genuinely happy to talk to the boy and his dad.

So he's probably a good guy i just think he could have done a little better over the last few years with his public relations and public image

I think you’re accurate. To me, MO has always come off as the smartest guy in the room. He has a very condescending attitude. He would be better off not doing interviews. As you pointed out, he’s probably a nice guy.

[desertrat23]

I'll be honest here. I used to generally like him and i think his overall career has been very good.

For me he just rubs me the wrong way, the smugness. I know that shouldn't bother me but it always has.

To be fair to him i was at a game last year and he was walking down the concourse. Many people saw him. A boy probably 7 years old or so ran up to him and asked for an autograph. He squatted down, signed the hat and seemed genuinely happy to talk to the boy and his dad.

So he's probably a good guy i just think he could have done a little better over the last few years with his public relations and public image

I think you’re accurate. To me, MO has always come off as the smartest guy in the room. He has a very condescending attitude. He would be better off not doing interviews. As you pointed out, he’s probably a nice guy.

This is it. He did a radio interview a couple of years ago and when asked about the team's sliding performance, his response was "have you not been entertained?" So (bleep) arrogant. It's all well and good to be proud of his successes, but coasting on it and then looking down his nose at the customers is not the way to go about it.

As for criticizing how he dresses, that's just Missouri Hoosier dislike of what they perceive to be "coastal elites."

[OldRed]

Cranny:

You lost your battle today and attendance proves it.

[Hoosier59]

I’ve spoken to Mo personally and he did come across smug and condescending! I asked him a legitimate question about the line up and how he saw it shaping up, and he kinda made fun of the question and ended by asking me “ what would I do “. So, I told him and he responded by telling how they don’t really value batting averages and a bunch of blah blah blah! However, that opening day, they started the exact line up I quoted him and in the same order.