Mariners seem to be the trade partner for Donovan--Is that good or bad

[rockondlouie]

Why wouldn't the Mariners just trade for Ketel Marte?

I think CT overvalues Hurdy Gurdy.

I also was shocked how much jack, the Dogturds threw at TGTE

Donovan has positional versatility which they need. He costs about a third of Marte's salary, and will take about half the prospect capital to acquire.

And isn't nearly as talented as Marte.

You get what you pay for...a tier less player in Hurdy vs Ketel

The DBacks want back Major League talent for Marte, something the M's (supposedly) aren't willing to offer.

Donny must have some solid appeal scouty given D. Gould has reported there are over a dozen teams who've checked in on him and what it would take to acquire him.

[renostl]

They would be my third or fourth choice, but they do have a good farm system and could put together a very good package for Donovan- if they would. They are notorious prospect hoarders.

For me it starts with Sloan, and ends there if they refuse to include him.

That's a hard get, but that is where it needs to start.

Their top 2 prospects are Colt Emerson and Kade Anderson. I will leave them alone.

Their next 5 prospects are;
3) Lazaro Montes
4) Ryan Sloan
5) Michael Arroyo
6) Jonny Farmelo
7) Jurrangelo Cijntje

If I'm trading with the Mariners, I have to come out with 2 of these, even if I have to add JoJo Romero to get it done. I also want 1 pitcher and 1 hitter. I don't really want Farmelo, as he has spent too much time injured.

So if I get the better pitcher (Sloan), I would accept the lesser hitter (Arroyo). If I get the lesser pitcher (Cijntje) I want the better hitter (Montes). If another team has not offered a better package, I could accept one of those deals.

I am not certain why you stated that Seattle would be your third or fourth choice. Compared to most teams, they have a great farm system. The Cards have added a lot of pitching already. If they could get both Montes and Arroyo for Donovan, I would do that deal. If they have to put in Romero to get that deal, I would do that too. The Cards have a serious lack of hitting prospects. Arroyo could be the next Donovan. Montes has boom or bust written all over him. But if one Montes or Josh Baez hits, the Cards are in good shape finally in the OF. If both of them hit, then we have a team.

Seattle is a nice fit.
Doesn't mean they'll move what the Cards want. I think that they will not only hold on very tight
to their SP but also to their top two SP replacements. It's why in my opinion they are not even
involved with the Marte talks anymore.

Agree completely with your take here. Arroyo may be a improved Donovan in regard to power and speed.
Not inspired with Montes, I'd rather have their pick. IF Romero is included get the pick plus

Eldridge from SF still is my shot at a bat if able.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Sure sounds from Mariners insiders, the fans want Donovan very much but they are concerned Boston may get him due to Bloom former ties there making him more familiar with their minor league players .
Might get Seattle to up their offer to Bloom ?

Yeah, I feel like I've read some things from fans and writers stating that they want Donovan. I do think that Donovan's return is not going to be as good as some people are getting themselves hyped up to think it is, but all it takes is one team to go a little bit outside their comfort zone because they and their fans feel like they really need that guy.

So hopefully, whether it's Seattle or another team, we can get one of them to break and go a little bit outside that zone and get a player they are reluctant to deal.

[82birds]

They would be my third or fourth choice, but they do have a good farm system and could put together a very good package for Donovan- if they would. They are notorious prospect hoarders.

For me it starts with Sloan, and ends there if they refuse to include him.

That's a hard get, but that is where it needs to start.

Their top 2 prospects are Colt Emerson and Kade Anderson. I will leave them alone.

Their next 5 prospects are;
3) Lazaro Montes
4) Ryan Sloan
5) Michael Arroyo
6) Jonny Farmelo
7) Jurrangelo Cijntje

If I'm trading with the Mariners, I have to come out with 2 of these, even if I have to add JoJo Romero to get it done. I also want 1 pitcher and 1 hitter. I don't really want Farmelo, as he has spent too much time injured.

So if I get the better pitcher (Sloan), I would accept the lesser hitter (Arroyo). If I get the lesser pitcher (Cijntje) I want the better hitter (Montes). If another team has not offered a better package, I could accept one of those deals.

I am not certain why you stated that Seattle would be your third or fourth choice. Compared to most teams, they have a great farm system. The Cards have added a lot of pitching already. If they could get both Montes and Arroyo for Donovan, I would do that deal. If they have to put in Romero to get that deal, I would do that too. The Cards have a serious lack of hitting prospects. Arroyo could be the next Donovan. Montes has boom or bust written all over him. But if one Montes or Josh Baez hits, the Cards are in good shape finally in the OF. If both of them hit, then we have a team.

Seattle is a nice fit.
Doesn't mean they'll move what the Cards want. I think that they will not only hold on very tight
to their SP but also to their top two SP replacements. It's why in my opinion they are not even
involved with the Marte talks anymore.

Agree completely with your take here. Arroyo may be a improved Donovan in regard to power and speed.
Not inspired with Montes, I'd rather have their pick. IF Romero is included get the pick plus

Eldridge from SF still is my shot at a bat if able.

renostl, I missed the redded part. did you read that somewhere? thanks

[renostl]

They would be my third or fourth choice, but they do have a good farm system and could put together a very good package for Donovan- if they would. They are notorious prospect hoarders.

For me it starts with Sloan, and ends there if they refuse to include him.

That's a hard get, but that is where it needs to start.

Their top 2 prospects are Colt Emerson and Kade Anderson. I will leave them alone.

Their next 5 prospects are;
3) Lazaro Montes
4) Ryan Sloan
5) Michael Arroyo
6) Jonny Farmelo
7) Jurrangelo Cijntje

If I'm trading with the Mariners, I have to come out with 2 of these, even if I have to add JoJo Romero to get it done. I also want 1 pitcher and 1 hitter. I don't really want Farmelo, as he has spent too much time injured.

So if I get the better pitcher (Sloan), I would accept the lesser hitter (Arroyo). If I get the lesser pitcher (Cijntje) I want the better hitter (Montes). If another team has not offered a better package, I could accept one of those deals.

I am not certain why you stated that Seattle would be your third or fourth choice. Compared to most teams, they have a great farm system. The Cards have added a lot of pitching already. If they could get both Montes and Arroyo for Donovan, I would do that deal. If they have to put in Romero to get that deal, I would do that too. The Cards have a serious lack of hitting prospects. Arroyo could be the next Donovan. Montes has boom or bust written all over him. But if one Montes or Josh Baez hits, the Cards are in good shape finally in the OF. If both of them hit, then we have a team.

Seattle is a nice fit.
Doesn't mean they'll move what the Cards want. I think that they will not only hold on very tight
to their SP but also to their top two SP replacements. It's why in my opinion they are not even
involved with the Marte talks anymore.

Agree completely with your take here. Arroyo may be a improved Donovan in regard to power and speed.
Not inspired with Montes, I'd rather have their pick. IF Romero is included get the pick plus

Eldridge from SF still is my shot at a bat if able.

renostl, I missed the redded part. did you read that somewhere? thanks

Speculation on my part from several reads.
Mostly two things keep coming up. AZ wants players back
that can help in 2026 for Marte, mostly pitching. Secondly
Seattle is currently my regional area. I read their beat writers
all year. They do not want to subtract from their MLB roster. They
almost can't. They are already in a position of possible regression.

I've called them an interesting team this offseason because of that
and that they may need to leave their own comfort zone in regards
to either money or prospects. In that scenario, if true, it's more
likely they part with a prospect than money. Unfortunately for them
neither St. Louis or AZ has to deal, there's zero urgencies. Seattle
though if they want to return to the post season feels one.

Sorry if you thought I had a single link.

[RunSup]

They would be my third or fourth choice, but they do have a good farm system and could put together a very good package for Donovan- if they would. They are notorious prospect hoarders.

For me it starts with Sloan, and ends there if they refuse to include him.

That's a hard get, but that is where it needs to start.

Their top 2 prospects are Colt Emerson and Kade Anderson. I will leave them alone.

Their next 5 prospects are;
3) Lazaro Montes
4) Ryan Sloan
5) Michael Arroyo
6) Jonny Farmelo
7) Jurrangelo Cijntje

If I'm trading with the Mariners, I have to come out with 2 of these, even if I have to add JoJo Romero to get it done. I also want 1 pitcher and 1 hitter. I don't really want Farmelo, as he has spent too much time injured.

So if I get the better pitcher (Sloan), I would accept the lesser hitter (Arroyo). If I get the lesser pitcher (Cijntje) I want the better hitter (Montes). If another team has not offered a better package, I could accept one of those deals.

Montes profiles as LH DH. Power hitter with lots of strikeouts and can't field a position. Pass on Montes. We already have one.

Jurangelo Cijinte's switch pitching seems like a gimmick that won't last. Just slow down his development as a RHP. I'll pass on him too.

If you like the others, that's fine. I'd be looking for a different trade partner. Or just keep Donovan. Finding (and funding?) a partner for Arenado would be my priority.

[RunSup]

They would be my third or fourth choice, but they do have a good farm system and could put together a very good package for Donovan- if they would. They are notorious prospect hoarders.

For me it starts with Sloan, and ends there if they refuse to include him.

That's a hard get, but that is where it needs to start.

Their top 2 prospects are Colt Emerson and Kade Anderson. I will leave them alone.

Their next 5 prospects are;
3) Lazaro Montes
4) Ryan Sloan
5) Michael Arroyo
6) Jonny Farmelo
7) Jurrangelo Cijntje

If I'm trading with the Mariners, I have to come out with 2 of these, even if I have to add JoJo Romero to get it done. I also want 1 pitcher and 1 hitter. I don't really want Farmelo, as he has spent too much time injured.

So if I get the better pitcher (Sloan), I would accept the lesser hitter (Arroyo). If I get the lesser pitcher (Cijntje) I want the better hitter (Montes). If another team has not offered a better package, I could accept one of those deals.

I am not certain why you stated that Seattle would be your third or fourth choice. Compared to most teams, they have a great farm system. The Cards have added a lot of pitching already. If they could get both Montes and Arroyo for Donovan, I would do that deal. If they have to put in Romero to get that deal, I would do that too. The Cards have a serious lack of hitting prospects. Arroyo could be the next Donovan. Montes has boom or bust written all over him. But if one Montes or Josh Baez hits, the Cards are in good shape finally in the OF. If both of them hit, then we have a team.

Seattle is a nice fit.
Doesn't mean they'll move what the Cards want. I think that they will not only hold on very tight
to their SP but also to their top two SP replacements. It's why in my opinion they are not even
involved with the Marte talks anymore.

Agree completely with your take here. Arroyo may be a improved Donovan in regard to power and speed.
Not inspired with Montes, I'd rather have their pick. IF Romero is included get the pick plus

Eldridge from SF still is my shot at a bat if able.

renostl, I missed the redded part. did you read that somewhere? thanks

Speculation on my part from several reads.
Mostly two things keep coming up. AZ wants players back
that can help in 2026 for Marte, mostly pitching. Secondly
Seattle is currently my regional area. I read their beat writers
all year. They do not want to subtract from their MLB roster. They
almost can't. They are already in a position of possible regression.

I've called them an interesting team this offseason because of that
and that they may need to leave their own comfort zone in regards
to either money or prospects. In that scenario, if true, it's more
likely they part with a prospect than money. Unfortunately for them
neither St. Louis or AZ has to deal, there's zero urgencies. Seattle
though if they want to return to the post season feels one.

Sorry if you thought I had a single link.

+1. The Cardinals do not have to trade Donovan if they don't like the deal.

[82birds]

They would be my third or fourth choice, but they do have a good farm system and could put together a very good package for Donovan- if they would. They are notorious prospect hoarders.

For me it starts with Sloan, and ends there if they refuse to include him.

That's a hard get, but that is where it needs to start.

Their top 2 prospects are Colt Emerson and Kade Anderson. I will leave them alone.

Their next 5 prospects are;
3) Lazaro Montes
4) Ryan Sloan
5) Michael Arroyo
6) Jonny Farmelo
7) Jurrangelo Cijntje

If I'm trading with the Mariners, I have to come out with 2 of these, even if I have to add JoJo Romero to get it done. I also want 1 pitcher and 1 hitter. I don't really want Farmelo, as he has spent too much time injured.

So if I get the better pitcher (Sloan), I would accept the lesser hitter (Arroyo). If I get the lesser pitcher (Cijntje) I want the better hitter (Montes). If another team has not offered a better package, I could accept one of those deals.

I am not certain why you stated that Seattle would be your third or fourth choice. Compared to most teams, they have a great farm system. The Cards have added a lot of pitching already. If they could get both Montes and Arroyo for Donovan, I would do that deal. If they have to put in Romero to get that deal, I would do that too. The Cards have a serious lack of hitting prospects. Arroyo could be the next Donovan. Montes has boom or bust written all over him. But if one Montes or Josh Baez hits, the Cards are in good shape finally in the OF. If both of them hit, then we have a team.

Seattle is a nice fit.
Doesn't mean they'll move what the Cards want. I think that they will not only hold on very tight
to their SP but also to their top two SP replacements. It's why in my opinion they are not even
involved with the Marte talks anymore.

Agree completely with your take here. Arroyo may be a improved Donovan in regard to power and speed.
Not inspired with Montes, I'd rather have their pick. IF Romero is included get the pick plus

Eldridge from SF still is my shot at a bat if able.

renostl, I missed the redded part. did you read that somewhere? thanks

Speculation on my part from several reads.
Mostly two things keep coming up. AZ wants players back
that can help in 2026 for Marte, mostly pitching. Secondly
Seattle is currently my regional area. I read their beat writers
all year. They do not want to subtract from their MLB roster. They
almost can't. They are already in a position of possible regression.

I've called them an interesting team this offseason because of that
and that they may need to leave their own comfort zone in regards
to either money or prospects. In that scenario, if true, it's more
likely they part with a prospect than money. Unfortunately for them
neither St. Louis or AZ has to deal, there's zero urgencies. Seattle
though if they want to return to the post season feels one.

Sorry if you thought I had a single link.

thanks.
some good points.

[craviduce]

Seattle is quite notorious for hoarding their talent. If they're willing to part with certain players, then that would make you wonder what's going on with said players.

now...the Padres on the other hand, they never met a Top 100 player they didn't like to trade.

[RunSup]

Seattle is quite notorious for hoarding their talent. If they're willing to part with certain players, then that would make you wonder what's going on with said players.

now...the Padres on the other hand, they never met a Top 100 player they didn't like to trade.

Are the Padres a fit for Donovan?

They signed Song from Korea to play 2B. 151 wrc+ in the KBO if that translates to the MLB

They seem pretty set else where. Maybe could use a decent catcher and LHRP.