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Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:28 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:22 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:49 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 13:05 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 12:53 pm Guy also can’t field his position.

Why are people so attached to their ego?

It’s okay you were wrong about a baseball man not baseballing very good.

Like, you’ll be okay to accept that you were wrong. Life will go on. In fact, you may develop some character by humbling yourself.

WC is a cross-eyed low IQ self identified hero who has never hit more than 24 HR’s in his career and spent most of his prime hitting like .240

He’s too intellectually slow (see cross-eyes and emotional instability) to play the catching position.

It’s amazing to me so many of you liked his signing.

It’s even more amazing you thought look-at-me rage was ‘leadership’.

It’s certainly why the generations of most of Cards Talk have been massively fooled by every major event of the 20th and 21st century.

Ok
I like Contreras but agree it was time to move on.
He can be replaced.
But as usual you went over the top and off the deep end!

The angst is we haven’t replaced Goldy, Nado, Pujols the 2022 versions, or Yadi the 201x version, or Tony the 2011 version.

Who exactly is “We”????
The reason I ask? Your comments regarding NOT “replacing” talent is entirely on the previous FO!
We are two months into a new regime.
Keep your pants on and let the man do his job!!!
Look....I get the frustration but be reasonable.
Instant gratification theater.
Are we playing next week?????
In fact most on here are accepting that 2026 will be a reset season!
SMH

Waiting isn't going to change the answer on whether Bloom fires Oli before ST. He missed his opportunity. Oli is not the right player development maanger we need.

I have gone on record a number of times that we can do better than Oli.
To me he is a below average manager.
That being said Bloom has a lot on his plate so we may have to be patient with regard to Manager & Staff??
Also....if you don’t identify a better replacement then I wouldn’t force a move.

TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:03 pm

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 10:30 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 19:58 pm

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 16:52 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 13:20 pm

I like Contreras but I’m not silly enough to believe he can’t be replaced. He was what he was meant to be when the cardinals got him which is a complimentary player

He was meant to be the catcher, which became a failed situation a month into his tenure.

He was then moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter , which he couldn’t do (bc he never has).

WC caused nothing but problems since day 1.

His 90 million should have been allocated to pitching.

He blocked the catching development of Herrera.

He stole so many DH at bats from others.

He stunted the 1B development of Burleson.

He was paid a lot of money to fail at his signed position and hit .260 with mild power while blocking others.

The Cubs made the right decision to walk away and they succeeded.

The Brewers made the right decision to acquire his younger, better brother and they succeeded.

It was a stupid deal from day 1 and way too many Cardinal fans supported it.

Find me one credible source where this was ever mentioned and I will Venmo you $20.

This is the type of demonic zero character behavior often found on boards like this.

It was unironically discussed that a move to 1B mixed w DHing instead of dealing w catching would yield more power and production from WC.

You are a certified bad person for saying that

So you made up the 30 HR number. Got it. As suspected.

You are a certified bad person for making up lies and presenting them as facts. Perhaps you have a future in politics.

If mid 20 HR’s is his norm, and CardsTalk overwhelmingly proposed an increase in power and durability (more games, to go w more energy and power) it would be within reason to think 30 HRs would be. We are talking about an increase of 5ish HRs, a totally reasonable expectation when increased power and games is what this board expected by moving from catcher to 1B.

YOU are the bad person. YOU are the one lacking character and internal honesty.

This is a discussion forum for baseball. It’s not THAT important to be right all the time. Be a better human.

You said he was moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter. Then failed to cite anything where the team or a baseball reporter ever suggested such a thing (because they didn’t, you made it up).

THEN you’re claiming it was actually CardsTalk posters that proposed an increase in power from the move (which I’m sure happened). But CT has no influence on how the team is actually ran. They certainly didn’t move him to be a 30 HR hitter because CT said so lol

Nice work moving the goalposts though! I standby your potential in politics!

As an internet troll? Eh, I’ve seen better.

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:51 pm
You said he was moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter. Then failed to cite anything where the team or a baseball reporter ever suggested such a thing (because they didn’t, you made it up).

THEN you’re claiming it was actually CardsTalk posters that proposed an increase in power from the move (which I’m sure happened). But CT has no influence on how the team is actually ran. They certainly didn’t move him to be a 30 HR hitter because CT said so


Nice work moving the goalposts though! I standby your potential in politics!

As an internet troll? Eh, I’ve seen better.

This is why intelligent people generally avoid these types of places.

What a useless energy suck.

No goal posts were moved, the notion of such a thing is bizarre to even address.

I almost don’t even know how to respond, the idea has always been that it was Cards Talk who unironically agreed WC’s durability, power and production would increase with the move to 1B. Since he has been a mid 20s HR hitter, adding 5ish HR’s to his total would be pretty gosh darn reasonable. Overall this HR total is totally arbitrary to the discussion anyway. Odd fixation and you’re incorrect that this has shifted at any point.

Cusecards wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:28 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:22 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:49 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 13:05 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 12:53 pm Guy also can’t field his position.

Why are people so attached to their ego?

It’s okay you were wrong about a baseball man not baseballing very good.

Like, you’ll be okay to accept that you were wrong. Life will go on. In fact, you may develop some character by humbling yourself.

WC is a cross-eyed low IQ self identified hero who has never hit more than 24 HR’s in his career and spent most of his prime hitting like .240

He’s too intellectually slow (see cross-eyes and emotional instability) to play the catching position.

It’s amazing to me so many of you liked his signing.

It’s even more amazing you thought look-at-me rage was ‘leadership’.

It’s certainly why the generations of most of Cards Talk have been massively fooled by every major event of the 20th and 21st century.

Ok
I like Contreras but agree it was time to move on.
He can be replaced.
But as usual you went over the top and off the deep end!

The angst is we haven’t replaced Goldy, Nado, Pujols the 2022 versions, or Yadi the 201x version, or Tony the 2011 version.

Who exactly is “We”????
The reason I ask? Your comments regarding NOT “replacing” talent is entirely on the previous FO!
We are two months into a new regime.
Keep your pants on and let the man do his job!!!
Look....I get the frustration but be reasonable.
Instant gratification theater.
Are we playing next week?????
In fact most on here are accepting that 2026 will be a reset season!
SMH

Waiting isn't going to change the answer on whether Bloom fires Oli before ST. He missed his opportunity. Oli is not the right player development maanger we need.

I have gone on record a number of times that we can do better than Oli.
To me he is a below average manager.
That being said Bloom has a lot on his plate so we may have to be patient with regard to Manager & Staff??
Also....if you don’t identify a better replacement then I wouldn’t force a move.

I agree there’s a lot on his plate. But every missed opportunity has a potential to delay the timeline by a year or more. For blooms model to turn out a World Series contender this decade we’re going to have to do a lot of things at a velocity that We never saw under Mo.

TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 15:46 pm

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:51 pm
You said he was moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter. Then failed to cite anything where the team or a baseball reporter ever suggested such a thing (because they didn’t, you made it up).

THEN you’re claiming it was actually CardsTalk posters that proposed an increase in power from the move (which I’m sure happened). But CT has no influence on how the team is actually ran. They certainly didn’t move him to be a 30 HR hitter because CT said so


Nice work moving the goalposts though! I standby your potential in politics!

As an internet troll? Eh, I’ve seen better.

This is why intelligent people generally avoid these types of places.

What a useless energy suck.

No goal posts were moved, the notion of such a thing is bizarre to even address.

I almost don’t even know how to respond, the idea has always been that it was Cards Talk who unironically agreed WC’s durability, power and production would increase with the move to 1B. Since he has been a mid 20s HR hitter, adding 5ish HR’s to his total would be pretty gosh darn reasonable. Overall this HR total is totally arbitrary to the discussion anyway. Odd fixation and you’re incorrect that this has shifted at any point.

Doubt you know many intelligent people (let alone actually be one). An intelligent person would know that once you resort to name calling in an argument, you’ve lost. You can’t argue the facts to support your silly claims so you attack the other side. Makes a bad debater (but great politician should you decide to pursue that!).

WC’s highest HR totals in any season are 24 (once), 22, 21 (twice), and 20 (twice). An intelligent person would obviously recognize only one of those being in the mid 20s, the rest low 20s. Pretty standard second grade math skills. So your notion that WC was consistently a mid 20s HR hitter previously as a catcher is unequivocally false.

It’s also very clear your claim that WC was moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter was made up (by you). Neither the team nor any credible reporter ever suggested such a thing. Whether or not some CT posters theorized this possibility is irrelevant. Had no bearing on the team’s decision to move him to 1B.

But please, keep arguing with the whole board! It’s quite entertaining watching you sit there in your wrongness repeatedly. WC being some failure is such an odd hill to decide to die on.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 16:17 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:47 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:28 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:22 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:49 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 13:05 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 12:53 pm Guy also can’t field his position.

Why are people so attached to their ego?

It’s okay you were wrong about a baseball man not baseballing very good.

Like, you’ll be okay to accept that you were wrong. Life will go on. In fact, you may develop some character by humbling yourself.

WC is a cross-eyed low IQ self identified hero who has never hit more than 24 HR’s in his career and spent most of his prime hitting like .240

He’s too intellectually slow (see cross-eyes and emotional instability) to play the catching position.

It’s amazing to me so many of you liked his signing.

It’s even more amazing you thought look-at-me rage was ‘leadership’.

It’s certainly why the generations of most of Cards Talk have been massively fooled by every major event of the 20th and 21st century.

Ok
I like Contreras but agree it was time to move on.
He can be replaced.
But as usual you went over the top and off the deep end!

The angst is we haven’t replaced Goldy, Nado, Pujols the 2022 versions, or Yadi the 201x version, or Tony the 2011 version.

Who exactly is “We”????
The reason I ask? Your comments regarding NOT “replacing” talent is entirely on the previous FO!
We are two months into a new regime.
Keep your pants on and let the man do his job!!!
Look....I get the frustration but be reasonable.
Instant gratification theater.
Are we playing next week?????
In fact most on here are accepting that 2026 will be a reset season!
SMH

Waiting isn't going to change the answer on whether Bloom fires Oli before ST. He missed his opportunity. Oli is not the right player development maanger we need.

I have gone on record a number of times that we can do better than Oli.
To me he is a below average manager.
That being said Bloom has a lot on his plate so we may have to be patient with regard to Manager & Staff??
Also....if you don’t identify a better replacement then I wouldn’t force a move.

I agree there’s a lot on his plate. But every missed opportunity has a potential to delay the timeline by a year or more. For blooms model to turn out a World Series contender this decade we’re going to have to do a lot of things at a velocity that We never saw under Mo.

Again....while I feel Oli is mediocre you also have to have a line on a suitable successor.
It’ll be interesting to see if Oli manages differently with Bloom now his boss???

Maybe...but he does have a WS ring!

TheSolution wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 12:53 pm Guy also can’t field his position.

Why are people so attached to their ego?

It’s okay you were wrong about a baseball man not baseballing very good.

Like, you’ll be okay to accept that you were wrong. Life will go on. In fact, you may develop some character by humbling yourself.

WC is a cross-eyed low IQ self identified hero who has never hit more than 24 HR’s in his career and spent most of his prime hitting like .240

He’s too intellectually slow (see cross-eyes and emotional instability) to play the catching position.

It’s amazing to me so many of you liked his signing.

It’s even more amazing you thought look-at-me rage was ‘leadership’.

It’s certainly why the generations of most of Cards Talk have been massively fooled by every major event of the 20th and 21st century.

I hear ya, but the guy REALLY hated losing, and that is something this team severely lacks. I think that endeared him to a significant portion of the fan base.

From the manager down to the 26th man, everyone on this team is free of pressure and expectations, has all the “runway” in the world, and happy as a pig in [shirt] just to be here.