Why the angst over losing a .250ish hitter who never hit more than low 20 HR’s in his prime?

[ecleme22]

I like Contreras but I’m not silly enough to believe he can’t be replaced. He was what he was meant to be when the cardinals got him which is a complimentary player

He was meant to be the catcher, which became a failed situation a month into his tenure.

He was then moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter , which he couldn’t do (bc he never has).

WC caused nothing but problems since day 1.

His 90 million should have been allocated to pitching.

He blocked the catching development of Herrera.

He stole so many DH at bats from others.

He stunted the 1B development of Burleson.

He was paid a lot of money to fail at his signed position and hit .260 with mild power while blocking others.

The Cubs made the right decision to walk away and they succeeded.

The Brewers made the right decision to acquire his younger, better brother and they succeeded.

It was a stupid deal from day 1 and way too many Cardinal fans supported it.

Find me one credible source where this was ever mentioned and I will Venmo you $20.

This is the type of demonic zero character behavior often found on boards like this.

It was unironically discussed that a move to 1B mixed w DHing instead of dealing w catching would yield more power and production from WC.

You are a certified bad person for saying that

I major reason for WC’s move to 1b was to open up catcher to Herrera…

[Cusecards]

The OP sent me a private message.
According to him Willson Contreras also:
*Has BO.
*Hates puppies and kittens.
*Has “666” printed on his scalp.
*Steals from his church collection plate.

[Ozziesfan41]

The OP sent me a private message.
According to him Willson Contreras also:
*Has BO.
*Hates puppies and kittens.
*Has “666” printed on his scalp.
*Steals from his church collection plate.

lol

[Cusecards]

The OP sent me a private message.
According to him Willson Contreras also:
*Has BO.
*Hates puppies and kittens.
*Has “666” printed on his scalp.
*Steals from his church collection plate.

lol

Just trying to get all the facts.
God Bless the anonymous Internet!!!
Have a good night!

[TheSolution]

Most understand and support the trade.

Most also liked him as a Cardinal.

That’s called coping.

It’s ego protection.

It’s smooth braining the situation.

It was a horrifically bad decision to sign WC for layers of valid and good reasons that ended up being confirmed in real time.

98% of this board loved the signing and supported it until the day he was traded.

WAR to dollars is so f’n meaningless as it relates to this signing because it was layers worth of reasons it was a bad decision.

And speaking of coping, it was 100% unironically accepted and believed that a move to 1B would increase power and aid in durability as opposed to playing catcher. Maximizing what you could get out of WC was the reason he went to 1B and that’s what basically everyone who posts here discussed and agreed upon. You can’t lie and cope to me.

[ecleme22]

Most understand and support the trade.

Most also liked him as a Cardinal.

That’s called coping.

It’s ego protection.

It’s smooth braining the situation.

It was a horrifically bad decision to sign WC for layers of valid and good reasons that ended up being confirmed in real time.

98% of this board loved the signing and supported it until the day he was traded.

WAR to dollars is so f’n meaningless as it relates to this signing because it was layers worth of reasons it was a bad decision.

And speaking of coping, it was 100% unironically accepted and believed that a move to 1B would increase power and aid in durability as opposed to playing catcher. Maximizing what you could get out of WC was the reason he went to 1B and that’s what basically everyone who posts here discussed and agreed upon. You can’t lie and cope to me.

The move to 1b was, in part, to increase durability, which it did. But it was to also give Herrera a clear lane to start.

Also, Contreras is loved by teammates and coaches.

Lastly, let’s put our big boy pants on, okay? You’re getting a little too emotional, bud. Maybe take some deep breaths…

[WaltsSuccessor]

I like Contreras but I’m not silly enough to believe he can’t be replaced. He was what he was meant to be when the cardinals got him which is a complimentary player

He was meant to be the catcher, which became a failed situation a month into his tenure.

He was then moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter , which he couldn’t do (bc he never has).

WC caused nothing but problems since day 1.

His 90 million should have been allocated to pitching.

He blocked the catching development of Herrera.

He stole so many DH at bats from others.

He stunted the 1B development of Burleson.

He was paid a lot of money to fail at his signed position and hit .260 with mild power while blocking others.

The Cubs made the right decision to walk away and they succeeded.

The Brewers made the right decision to acquire his younger, better brother and they succeeded.

It was a stupid deal from day 1 and way too many Cardinal fans supported it.

Find me one credible source where this was ever mentioned and I will Venmo you $20.

This is the type of demonic zero character behavior often found on boards like this.

It was unironically discussed that a move to 1B mixed w DHing instead of dealing w catching would yield more power and production from WC.

You are a certified bad person for saying that

So you made up the 30 HR number. Got it. As suspected.

You are a certified bad person for making up lies and presenting them as facts. Perhaps you have a future in politics.

[Cusecards]

Most understand and support the trade.

Most also liked him as a Cardinal.

That’s called coping.

It’s ego protection.

It’s smooth braining the situation.

It was a horrifically bad decision to sign WC for layers of valid and good reasons that ended up being confirmed in real time.

98% of this board loved the signing and supported it until the day he was traded.

WAR to dollars is so f’n meaningless as it relates to this signing because it was layers worth of reasons it was a bad decision.

And speaking of coping, it was 100% unironically accepted and believed that a move to 1B would increase power and aid in durability as opposed to playing catcher. Maximizing what you could get out of WC was the reason he went to 1B and that’s what basically everyone who posts here discussed and agreed upon. You can’t lie and cope to me.

Ok
I have absolutely zero idea what your point is?
In fact I never understand what your point is unless you have no point and are just going for the “deep dark analytical diatribe” which says nothing and impresses no one?

[TheSolution]

I like Contreras but I’m not silly enough to believe he can’t be replaced. He was what he was meant to be when the cardinals got him which is a complimentary player

He was meant to be the catcher, which became a failed situation a month into his tenure.

He was then moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter , which he couldn’t do (bc he never has).

WC caused nothing but problems since day 1.

His 90 million should have been allocated to pitching.

He blocked the catching development of Herrera.

He stole so many DH at bats from others.

He stunted the 1B development of Burleson.

He was paid a lot of money to fail at his signed position and hit .260 with mild power while blocking others.

The Cubs made the right decision to walk away and they succeeded.

The Brewers made the right decision to acquire his younger, better brother and they succeeded.

It was a stupid deal from day 1 and way too many Cardinal fans supported it.

Find me one credible source where this was ever mentioned and I will Venmo you $20.

This is the type of demonic zero character behavior often found on boards like this.

It was unironically discussed that a move to 1B mixed w DHing instead of dealing w catching would yield more power and production from WC.

You are a certified bad person for saying that

So you made up the 30 HR number. Got it. As suspected.

You are a certified bad person for making up lies and presenting them as facts. Perhaps you have a future in politics.

If mid 20 HR’s is his norm, and CardsTalk overwhelmingly proposed an increase in power and durability (more games, to go w more energy and power) it would be within reason to think 30 HRs would be. We are talking about an increase of 5ish HRs, a totally reasonable expectation when increased power and games is what this board expected by moving from catcher to 1B.

YOU are the bad person. YOU are the one lacking character and internal honesty.

This is a discussion forum for baseball. It’s not THAT important to be right all the time. Be a better human.

[TheSolution]

The move to 1b was, in part, to increase durability, which it did. But it was to also give Herrera a clear lane to start.

Also, Contreras is loved by teammates and coaches.

Lastly, let’s put our big boy pants on, okay? You’re getting a little too emotional, bud. Maybe take some deep breaths…

It didn’t really increase durability, he played 135 instead of 125 games. And if you want to say it did, then it backfires on the power and production point.

It had little if nothing to do with Herrera developing as a catcher, as we saw that play out with those starts going to others and we’ve heard Chaim discuss correcting the mistake of taking away his catching time.

WC was moved to 1B bc he literally cannot catch. The hope was he’d play more games and hit more HRs and be overall more productive offensively. That did not work out. It didn’t happen. He hit 20 HRs.

[Carp4Cy]

Guy also can’t field his position.

Why are people so attached to their ego?

It’s okay you were wrong about a baseball man not baseballing very good.

Like, you’ll be okay to accept that you were wrong. Life will go on. In fact, you may develop some character by humbling yourself.

WC is a cross-eyed low IQ self identified hero who has never hit more than 24 HR’s in his career and spent most of his prime hitting like .240

He’s too intellectually slow (see cross-eyes and emotional instability) to play the catching position.

It’s amazing to me so many of you liked his signing.

It’s even more amazing you thought look-at-me rage was ‘leadership’.

It’s certainly why the generations of most of Cards Talk have been massively fooled by every major event of the 20th and 21st century.

Ok
I like Contreras but agree it was time to move on.
He can be replaced.
But as usual you went over the top and off the deep end!

The angst is we haven’t replaced Goldy, Nado, Pujols the 2022 versions, or Yadi the 201x version, or Tony the 2011 version.

[dugoutrex]

Guy also can’t field his position.

Why are people so attached to their ego?

It’s okay you were wrong about a baseball man not baseballing very good.

Like, you’ll be okay to accept that you were wrong. Life will go on. In fact, you may develop some character by humbling yourself.

WC is a cross-eyed low IQ self identified hero who has never hit more than 24 HR’s in his career and spent most of his prime hitting like .240

He’s too intellectually slow (see cross-eyes and emotional instability) to play the catching position.

It’s amazing to me so many of you liked his signing.

It’s even more amazing you thought look-at-me rage was ‘leadership’.

It’s certainly why the generations of most of Cards Talk have been massively fooled by every major event of the 20th and 21st century.

he was our best player Gumby

[Cusecards]

Guy also can’t field his position.

Why are people so attached to their ego?

It’s okay you were wrong about a baseball man not baseballing very good.

Like, you’ll be okay to accept that you were wrong. Life will go on. In fact, you may develop some character by humbling yourself.

WC is a cross-eyed low IQ self identified hero who has never hit more than 24 HR’s in his career and spent most of his prime hitting like .240

He’s too intellectually slow (see cross-eyes and emotional instability) to play the catching position.

It’s amazing to me so many of you liked his signing.

It’s even more amazing you thought look-at-me rage was ‘leadership’.

It’s certainly why the generations of most of Cards Talk have been massively fooled by every major event of the 20th and 21st century.

Ok
I like Contreras but agree it was time to move on.
He can be replaced.
But as usual you went over the top and off the deep end!

The angst is we haven’t replaced Goldy, Nado, Pujols the 2022 versions, or Yadi the 201x version, or Tony the 2011 version.

Who exactly is “We”????
The reason I ask? Your comments regarding NOT “replacing” talent is entirely on the previous FO!
We are two months into a new regime.
Keep your pants on and let the man do his job!!!
Look....I get the frustration but be reasonable.
Instant gratification theater.
Are we playing next week?????
In fact most on here are accepting that 2026 will be a reset season!
SMH

[Carp4Cy]

Guy also can’t field his position.

Why are people so attached to their ego?

It’s okay you were wrong about a baseball man not baseballing very good.

Like, you’ll be okay to accept that you were wrong. Life will go on. In fact, you may develop some character by humbling yourself.

WC is a cross-eyed low IQ self identified hero who has never hit more than 24 HR’s in his career and spent most of his prime hitting like .240

He’s too intellectually slow (see cross-eyes and emotional instability) to play the catching position.

It’s amazing to me so many of you liked his signing.

It’s even more amazing you thought look-at-me rage was ‘leadership’.

It’s certainly why the generations of most of Cards Talk have been massively fooled by every major event of the 20th and 21st century.

Ok
I like Contreras but agree it was time to move on.
He can be replaced.
But as usual you went over the top and off the deep end!

The angst is we haven’t replaced Goldy, Nado, Pujols the 2022 versions, or Yadi the 201x version, or Tony the 2011 version.

Who exactly is “We”????
The reason I ask? Your comments regarding NOT “replacing” talent is entirely on the previous FO!
We are two months into a new regime.
Keep your pants on and let the man do his job!!!
Look....I get the frustration but be reasonable.
Instant gratification theater.
Are we playing next week?????
In fact most on here are accepting that 2026 will be a reset season!
SMH

Waiting isn't going to change the answer on whether Bloom fires Oli before ST. He missed his opportunity. Oli is not the right player development maanger we need.

[Cusecards]

I like Contreras but I’m not silly enough to believe he can’t be replaced. He was what he was meant to be when the cardinals got him which is a complimentary player

He was meant to be the catcher, which became a failed situation a month into his tenure.

He was then moved to 1B to be a 30 HR hitter , which he couldn’t do (bc he never has).

WC caused nothing but problems since day 1.

His 90 million should have been allocated to pitching.

He blocked the catching development of Herrera.

He stole so many DH at bats from others.

He stunted the 1B development of Burleson.

He was paid a lot of money to fail at his signed position and hit .260 with mild power while blocking others.

The Cubs made the right decision to walk away and they succeeded.

The Brewers made the right decision to acquire his younger, better brother and they succeeded.

It was a stupid deal from day 1 and way too many Cardinal fans supported it.

Find me one credible source where this was ever mentioned and I will Venmo you $20.

This is the type of demonic zero character behavior often found on boards like this.

It was unironically discussed that a move to 1B mixed w DHing instead of dealing w catching would yield more power and production from WC.

You are a certified bad person for saying that

So you made up the 30 HR number. Got it. As suspected.

You are a certified bad person for making up lies and presenting them as facts. Perhaps you have a future in politics.

If mid 20 HR’s is his norm, and CardsTalk overwhelmingly proposed an increase in power and durability (more games, to go w more energy and power) it would be within reason to think 30 HRs would be. We are talking about an increase of 5ish HRs, a totally reasonable expectation when increased power and games is what this board expected by moving from catcher to 1B.

YOU are the bad person. YOU are the one lacking character and internal honesty.

This is a discussion forum for baseball. It’s not THAT important to be right all the time. Be a better human.

You have trashed a player repeatedly calling him among other things a “cross eyed low IQ self identified hero”.
And there are more!
You also trash other posters!
And YOU have the hypocritical audacity to call others
bad people?????
Slap that hypocritical paint brush around someplace else.
You’re a fraud and a joke!

[ecleme22]

The move to 1b was, in part, to increase durability, which it did. But it was to also give Herrera a clear lane to start.

Also, Contreras is loved by teammates and coaches.

Lastly, let’s put our big boy pants on, okay? You’re getting a little too emotional, bud. Maybe take some deep breaths…

It didn’t really increase durability, he played 135 instead of 125 games. And if you want to say it did, then it backfires on the power and production point.

It had little if nothing to do with Herrera developing as a catcher, as we saw that play out with those starts going to others and we’ve heard Chaim discuss correcting the mistake of taking away his catching time.

WC was moved to 1B bc he literally cannot catch. The hope was he’d play more games and hit more HRs and be overall more productive offensively. That did not work out. It didn’t happen. He hit 20 HRs.

1) he played 135 games….most in like 7 years.
2) After a horrible early season slump, he had about an .858 ops the rest of the season.
3) 2025 career highs in runs, doubles, RBIs and hits.
4) his move to 1b coincided with Goldie leaving and Herrera perceived as ‘ready.

Also, players and coaches love him