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alw80 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:32 am

Banner29 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:19 pm It’s ironic because this is the same type of list Mo would assemble in the offseason for his “playoff push” moves…..

Wonder if Brandon Moss has kept himself in shape?

renostl wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:28 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:54 am Trade Arenado for Castellanos.
Maybe sign Pham to a minor league contract with a NRI.
Victor
Walker
Burleson in the mix
Church backup
Noot traded

NC in right field
JW in LF
VS in CF

If Pham makes the team, he shares some time w JW and NC, but he’s mostly a backup. Church is a def replacement and spot starter. Burleson plays here and there in the OF.

You lost me with Pham.

If a trade for more longevity can not had.
it's works.
NA for NC can stand alone.

If any of the talk about Seattle holds true.
Arroyo has some intrigue. Not a big power hitter
but 20-25 maybe

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 02:19 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 01:41 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:31 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:19 pm It’s ironic because this is the same type of list Mo would assemble in the offseason for his “playoff push” moves…..

lol mo would continue to have faith in the outfielders they already have and not bring anyone from the outside so that’s far from a mo move it would be a jockety/Larussa move to bring in a veteran outfielder but Mos would be we like what we have don’t want to take at bats away from anyone and blah blah

Mo would throw an outfield of Nootbaar, Scott, and Walker and hope all made unrealistic improvements. He was a master at spending entire winters sticking his thumbs up his (donkey).

Mo was a genius until it ran out. He kept 3 million fans in the stadium with the promise of the next prospect was the real deal. Like most Cardinals fans, they ate up everything the Cardinals told them, because to disagree with their idols would be blasphemy. So most fans adopted whatever mentality Mo was throwing out there at the time.
Now they will adopt whatever Bloom throws out there. Hopefully Bloom produces.

12xu wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:01 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:49 am

Melville wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:45 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:05 pm Hopefully they can pick one up in a trade

With the Dodgers.

Donny + Noot = A. Pages!

(And the Dodgers sign K. Tucker)

Great idea! Pages would have a huge impact in the St. Louis OF for years! Big question: Would the Dodgers do it?

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 10:04 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:54 am Trade Arenado for Castellanos.
Maybe sign Pham to a minor league contract with a NRI.
Victor
Walker
Burleson in the mix
Church backup
Noot traded

NC in right field
JW in LF
VS in CF

If Pham makes the team, he shares some time w JW and NC, but he’s mostly a backup. Church is a def replacement and spot starter. Burleson plays here and there in the OF.

OMG NO!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, we aren’t getting much for NA, so why not kill two birds with one stone and trade for NC? He has a higher upside than any of the FAs mentioned in the OP.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:41 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 02:19 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 01:41 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:31 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 22:19 pm It’s ironic because this is the same type of list Mo would assemble in the offseason for his “playoff push” moves…..

lol mo would continue to have faith in the outfielders they already have and not bring anyone from the outside so that’s far from a mo move it would be a jockety/Larussa move to bring in a veteran outfielder but Mos would be we like what we have don’t want to take at bats away from anyone and blah blah

Mo would throw an outfield of Nootbaar, Scott, and Walker and hope all made unrealistic improvements. He was a master at spending entire winters sticking his thumbs up his (donkey).

Mo was a genius until it ran out. He kept 3 million fans in the stadium with the promise of the next prospect was the real deal. Like most Cardinals fans, they ate up everything the Cardinals told them, because to disagree with their idols would be blasphemy. So most fans adopted whatever mentality Mo was throwing out there at the time.
Now they will adopt whatever Bloom throws out there. Hopefully Bloom produces.

Still doesn't change the fact that Mo typically hibernated every winter instead of making moves. He was a putz. His "success " was the result of Jocketty, LaRussa, Luhnow, and the great players they obtained.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 10:04 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:54 am Trade Arenado for Castellanos.
Maybe sign Pham to a minor league contract with a NRI.
Victor
Walker
Burleson in the mix
Church backup
Noot traded

NC in right field
JW in LF
VS in CF

If Pham makes the team, he shares some time w JW and NC, but he’s mostly a backup. Church is a def replacement and spot starter. Burleson plays here and there in the OF.

OMG NO!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, we aren’t getting much for NA, so why not kill two birds with one stone and trade for NC? He has a higher upside than any of the FAs mentioned in the OP.

I was more saying OMG no to Tommy Pham

BleedingBleu wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:24 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:40 am I’m not sue the point of this??
If dumping salary and not caring about winning in ‘26, why bother with bringing any new MLB bodies in? Play your young guys like last season
Why bring in May and pay him 12mil?
So they can win 75-80 games opposed to 65-70?

I’m not a big believer in rushing prospects to the big leagues. I actually think it’s detrimental in more than one way. A players psychology. The team burning through service time. The 40-Man Roster being consumed by someone not ready to produce.

So, maybe the thinking here allows a prospect to remain in the minors for further instruction/development?

The Cardinals just keep burning through players who they rush to the Bigs, have a promising season, burn out before they touch their Prime, then get picked up and produce at a lessened market value but in their primes for other teams (ref Luke Voit & Adolis Garcia)

StlMike1969 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:59 am I would consider this list horse hockey. Quite frankly if your going to put a guy out there for 3 to 10 mill per just because he has some experience, knowing full well he will be a .250ish, 10 to 15 HR guy at best, at best I say. Then your better off just throwing a Church, or Koperniak out there along with Noot, Scott and Walker and calling it a day. Save some money and see what you got. See who rises to the top considering this is a rebuild year. That is a Johnny Moz list all day long. I do hope Bloom has more sense than that. If he goes after a RHH OF then it needs to be via trade for someone controllable and you know is a legit player for a few years, no questions asked. Does not have to hit 30HR's but a .285, and 20 to 25HR's works. That can be had in a Donovan, Pallante, lower minors prospect deal.

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:16 pm

BleedingBleu wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:24 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:40 am I’m not sue the point of this??
If dumping salary and not caring about winning in ‘26, why bother with bringing any new MLB bodies in? Play your young guys like last season
Why bring in May and pay him 12mil?
So they can win 75-80 games opposed to 65-70?

I’m not a big believer in rushing prospects to the big leagues. I actually think it’s detrimental in more than one way. A players psychology. The team burning through service time. The 40-Man Roster being consumed by someone not ready to produce.

So, maybe the thinking here allows a prospect to remain in the minors for further instruction/development?

The Cardinals just keep burning through players who they rush to the Bigs, have a promising season, burn out before they touch their Prime, then get picked up and produce at a lessened market value but in their primes for other teams (ref Luke Voit & Adolis Garcia)

C Herrera/Pages
1b Burly
2b JJ
SS Winn
3b Gorman
LF Noot
CF Scott
RF Walker
DH Fermin/Sagesse/ whoever can swing a bat
No risk of stunting development is this group…..it’s been stunted

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

StlMike1969 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:59 am I would consider this list horse hockey. Quite frankly if your going to put a guy out there for 3 to 10 mill per just because he has some experience, knowing full well he will be a .250ish, 10 to 15 HR guy at best, at best I say. Then your better off just throwing a Church, or Koperniak out there along with Noot, Scott and Walker and calling it a day. Save some money and see what you got. See who rises to the top considering this is a rebuild year. That is a Johnny Moz list all day long. I do hope Bloom has more sense than that. If he goes after a RHH OF then it needs to be via trade for someone controllable and you know is a legit player for a few years, no questions asked. Does not have to hit 30HR's but a .285, and 20 to 25HR's works. That can be had in a Donovan, Pallante, lower minors prospect deal.

Tank Tank Tank…..Tank real good.
Someone please explain the need for May and RHH OF??
Certainly isn’t going to make much a difference in standings

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:20 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

StlMike1969 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:59 am I would consider this list horse hockey. Quite frankly if your going to put a guy out there for 3 to 10 mill per just because he has some experience, knowing full well he will be a .250ish, 10 to 15 HR guy at best, at best I say. Then your better off just throwing a Church, or Koperniak out there along with Noot, Scott and Walker and calling it a day. Save some money and see what you got. See who rises to the top considering this is a rebuild year. That is a Johnny Moz list all day long. I do hope Bloom has more sense than that. If he goes after a RHH OF then it needs to be via trade for someone controllable and you know is a legit player for a few years, no questions asked. Does not have to hit 30HR's but a .285, and 20 to 25HR's works. That can be had in a Donovan, Pallante, lower minors prospect deal.

Tank Tank Tank…..Tank real good.
Someone please explain the need for May and RHH OF??
Certainly isn’t going to make much a difference in standings

Because the team isn’t tanking.

May can eat some innings. And all vets on one year deals can be flipped at the deadline.

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:31 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:20 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

StlMike1969 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:59 am I would consider this list horse hockey. Quite frankly if your going to put a guy out there for 3 to 10 mill per just because he has some experience, knowing full well he will be a .250ish, 10 to 15 HR guy at best, at best I say. Then your better off just throwing a Church, or Koperniak out there along with Noot, Scott and Walker and calling it a day. Save some money and see what you got. See who rises to the top considering this is a rebuild year. That is a Johnny Moz list all day long. I do hope Bloom has more sense than that. If he goes after a RHH OF then it needs to be via trade for someone controllable and you know is a legit player for a few years, no questions asked. Does not have to hit 30HR's but a .285, and 20 to 25HR's works. That can be had in a Donovan, Pallante, lower minors prospect deal.

Tank Tank Tank…..Tank real good.
Someone please explain the need for May and RHH OF??
Certainly isn’t going to make much a difference in standings

Because the team isn’t tanking.

May can eat some innings. And all vets on one year deals can be flipped at the deadline.

So Bloom is spending $$$ to flip them at deadline??
The product on the field is going to stink. The product last year stunk. The product the year before was 71-91
I want a winning team……you seem fine and content to Wait….for players who today are not ready to win but somehow you have faith or hope that at some point in the future they will win. FAR from any guarantee….but you and those like you feel as though it is a guarantee. Wait a few years and presto talent abound at Busch stadium.
But you also want middling talent to be brought in for ‘26……to eat innings?? Why?? Pallente can eat innings….Leahy can eat innings
I filled out lineup with current players…..we really don’t need any more. Winning isn’t an objective.
What’s the objective ???

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 10:04 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:54 am Trade Arenado for Castellanos.
Maybe sign Pham to a minor league contract with a NRI.
Victor
Walker
Burleson in the mix
Church backup
Noot traded

NC in right field
JW in LF
VS in CF

If Pham makes the team, he shares some time w JW and NC, but he’s mostly a backup. Church is a def replacement and spot starter. Burleson plays here and there in the OF.

OMG NO!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, we aren’t getting much for NA, so why not kill two birds with one stone and trade for NC? He has a higher upside than any of the FAs mentioned in the OP.

I was more saying OMG no to Tommy Pham

Shrug.

If he’s on a minor league deal, who cares?

If he’s not cutting it, you release him in May.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:28 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:54 am Trade Arenado for Castellanos.
Maybe sign Pham to a minor league contract with a NRI.
Victor
Walker
Burleson in the mix
Church backup
Noot traded

NC in right field
JW in LF
VS in CF

If Pham makes the team, he shares some time w JW and NC, but he’s mostly a backup. Church is a def replacement and spot starter. Burleson plays here and there in the OF.

You lost me with Pham.

If a trade for more longevity can not had.
it's works.
NA for NC can stand alone.

If any of the talk about Seattle holds true.
Arroyo has some intrigue. Not a big power hitter
but 20-25 maybe

Well let me remind you that TP would be a NRI.

I assume Arroyo would be part of a Donovan trade? That’s cool, but we are talking about two different things.

renostl wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 13:33 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:28 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:54 am Trade Arenado for Castellanos.
Maybe sign Pham to a minor league contract with a NRI.
Victor
Walker
Burleson in the mix
Church backup
Noot traded

NC in right field
JW in LF
VS in CF

If Pham makes the team, he shares some time w JW and NC, but he’s mostly a backup. Church is a def replacement and spot starter. Burleson plays here and there in the OF.

You lost me with Pham.

If a trade for more longevity can not had.
it's works.
NA for NC can stand alone.

If any of the talk about Seattle holds true.
Arroyo has some intrigue. Not a big power hitter
but 20-25 maybe

Well let me remind you that TP would be a NRI.

I assume Arroyo would be part of a Donovan trade? That’s cool, but we are talking about two different things.

No need for Pham. He is mostly done.
Whatever you might flip him can be found in the
MiLB FA bin.

Arroyo or any player is part of the 26 why not use those spots for players who could be a part of a team.
I understand the desire of flipping, I see it with NC.
IMO TP is very low hanging fruit that may have zero desire to be in St Louis. There more value to just keeping Lars and seeing if he increases his value