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I just don't have optimism around the whole spending thing. Where is the revenue coming from?
The Cardinals will rebuild the organization, spend what they can/will, start winning 88+ games again, attendance will come back up to 3+ million, and then spending will then find whatever level it is going to balance out at.
I think this new brain trust can build what they have done in those other cities. I just expect them to also spend kind of like those cities absent some unforeseen revenue opportunity.
IF you hypothesize that the Cardinals will spend closer to the level of Milwaukee/Cleveland, then it is just MORE IMPORTANT that they rebuild the player development system if they are ever going to compete again.
I’ve said that their player development system is a mess for years. There’s no argument to made against that being corrected.
I’m saying that this idea that they’ll spend again when the timing is right is based on hope and not rooted in reality.
Matt doesn't seem to grasp this very real possibility
Used the same argument several weeks ago and we're still here.
It could be a possibility but that doesn't mean this rebuild shouldn't happen. The spending would be based on if they were winning and drawing the fan support. Also a new lucrative TV deal would help. They never spent big as it was but the money they will spend will go a lot further if they have an abundance of cost controlled talent.
I dislike even calling it a "rebuild". It's not that - they're resetting their model in real-time. They've said this over and over. Bloom has reiterated that.
If they spend like Matt fantasizes and you admire……they will become a AAAA feeder club for the teams who really care to win
What do you mean by “that I admire”?
Do you just say things to sound inanely stupid?
I’m sorry AOF, when someone writes the first sentence below, it would seem that you ADMIRE what this brain trust BUILT in other cities
If thats a wrong assumption on my part many apologies……
it would seem to imply the BRAIN TRUST….BUILT something….and now they’re HERE BUILDING the same thing and YOU think THEY can do IT….thus ADMIRING
“I think this new brain trust can build what they have done in those other cities. I just expect them to also spend kind of like those cities absent some unforeseen revenue opportunity.”
Why is it so, so, so hard for you to understand a simple concept:
- Emulate what Milwaukee, Cleveland, Tampa Bay do with their player development systems, but then improve on that by being able to spend more on the ML payroll than they can.
To compete consistently, the Cardinals absolutely need to have a Top 5 player development system, and they will need for it to have had some "bite" at the ML level - delivering Wetherholt, Doyle, Mathews, etc. for a couple of seasons - before they are ready to compete again.
Only AFTER that has happened do we even need to start worrying about exactly what new ML payroll level the team will settle out at in 2028, 2029, etc. But I fully expect that level to be considerably higher than Cleveland's $100 million from 2025, or Milwaukee's $108 million.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that both tracks can be taken at once.
Fix the player Dev/draft
And
Put a competitive winning team on field. As I’ve stated MANY times the last couple days whatever bodies returned in these trades are NOT going to suddenly fix the Player Dev side
BUT spending the 80 mil or so that has disappeared in payroll definitely would put a competitive winning team on the field. And doing so wouldn’t stop ALL this great talent you anticipate being ready in 2,3,4 yrs
So why doesn’t your head allow you to process this? The only thing stopping it is BDW spending $$.
And I’ve never stated to KEEP Gray, Miles, Matz, Helsley, Fedde, WC, NA……I stated to take that 80-90mil and go find some productive winning players
Why must payroll be gutted to fix the minors OTHER than BDW doesn’t want to spend and has created this opportunity to fool people like you that him not spending fixes Player Dev and drafting.
80-90 mil Will buy 2 productive Bats and 2 SP, if those are still needed with the recent acquisitions.
So please tell me how that stops Bloom from doing Everything you say he must do???
The only impediment is BDW spending and if you want to excuse his cheapness peddling your thesis I hope he’s got a check in the mail with your name on it.