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ecleme22 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:39 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:25 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 07:51 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 06:11 am I didn’t expect a “haul” for WC. But a guy that might slot in at 4 or 5 in the rotation and a couple of distant prospects and give them $8 million? This was a salary dump and not a good deal.

Do you know the definition of salary dump?

Read the WC trade and it will give you a good example.

You realize the money given to Boston for the Gray and WC trades is partially so the Cards could get a better return for players?

Teams that dump salary care little about the return.

And teams who are obsessed with saving money don’t go out and sign Dustin May for 12mil

Unfortunately I wasn’t part of the discussion. Could have been you have to pay $8 mill to get these players. Also could have been to get rid of his salary you have to eat $8 mill.
Since day one getting rid of salaries for Gray, WCand Arenado have been a priority.

Part of my disappointment is the continued focus on pitching. I don’t expect to be competitive in 2026 but when do we get some young hitting prospects preferably playing outfield? And yes I expect them to see the field in St Louis in 2026 or early 2027.

WC was one of the best trade chips. Sort of feels wasted.

TXCardsFanX wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:34 am

Olemiss540 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:31 am This is about tearing apart a Johnny Mo roster and building an entirely new Bloom roster.

To think we are almost entirely rid of all aging contracts, have a prospect chart in the top third of the MLB, and are a year from shifting into spending cash resources towards the MLB team instead of the MiLB squad is kinda exciting. Pull the bandaid off and let's spend 2026 deciding who we are going to build around. Then spend 2027 buying role players and all stars to supplement that new core.

Yup. I'm failing to understand why so many other fans don't see this.

We will hopefully become what Milwaukee has become but with another 35%-40% payroll room. Imagine their team but with a 170M payroll.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 08:09 am

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 07:18 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 07:03 am It will be a few years but Fajardo could be very good if he stays healthy. Dobbins is pitch to contact.

I think it's a very good deal for a 34 year old player who was signed to play catcher but can no longer catch. I wonder how long before he gets hit by a pitch on the elbow pad and calls out his teammates for not wanting to retaliate.

Are you remembering that correctly? Pretty sure he was calming his teammates down to NOT retaliate or charge the field.

Cardinals’ Willson Contreras hints his pitchers aren’t protecting him from being hit by pitches

https://www.mlb.com/brewers/video/andre ... leb-durbin

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/video/wil ... leb-durbin

In his comments he says in broken English he sometimes does things to "fire up" his teammates. Then he says he wasn't trying to trip Durbin but also says Durbin was running inside the line so it was okay to trip him. The base is inside the line. Everybody runs inside the line on a ground ball.

He can take his act to Boston.

My apologies. I was thinking of a separate HBP instance from August. Don't recall the opponent (just that I was sweating my tail off in the stands).

"This is about tearing apart a Johnny Mo roster and building an entirely new Bloom roster.

To think we are almost entirely rid of all aging contracts, have a prospect chart in the top third of the MLB, and are a year from shifting into spending cash resources towards the MLB team instead of the MiLB squad is kinda exciting. Pull the bandaid off and let's spend 2026 deciding who we are going to build around. Then spend 2027 buying role players and all stars to supplement that new core.
Yup. I'm failing to understand why so many other fans don't see this."

TxCards & OleMiss540 - I am in conflict with the premise that most fans do not understand your position or the rebuild. I understand and support your statements. As a 5 decade fan and former business owner what I do NOT understand is WHY MoRan was kept the past 4 yrs to manage the organization into further decline . That is the crux of the issue.

Bully4you wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 03:26 am This guy is 26 years old and has two ACL surgeries.
He has a Tommy John as well.
Check out how he tore the same ACL for a second time.
He can't run anymore.
His knees are shot.
I mean he didn't do anything out of the ordinary and tore it again.
Ridiculous how Bloom couldn't get better for Contreras than this.
He also had St. Louis send money.
What a fleecing by Boston.
https://x.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/19 ... red-sox%2F

Dude, it's a salary dump. They don't really care what they get and most of these guys will be exposed in the next rule 5 if they even get that far. They want to cut salary to the bone before the CBA and probable strike hits. They don't care what happens on the field in St Louis. They are and have been planning for failure for a while now. They have to make it look palatable for the gullible fan base. Even when they do turn the spigot back on after the probable strike it'll be just a trickle. They'll make a mid level signing or 2 and then whine about how they can't compete with the big market teams. Wash, rinse, repeat.