Hunter Dobbins--This was a lousy trade.

[Cardinals4Life]

I just don’t care.

The 2026 Club will be terrible, likely worse than the 2023 & 2025 iterations. The trade of Contreras was never a move to win now. It was always a salary dump with an eye towards the future.

They know what’s happening with attendance and the RSN. So, rather than risk putting together a good product, they’d rather accumulate scratch-off tickets, hoping they hit on one or two.

Now, there’s the question about MLB in general. The financial model is clearly broken. There are far too many heavyweights, and the system appears to only award them. Their finances allow them to not just dominate the various talent markets (Free Agent, International, coaches, scouting, development, tech), but inflate them to unstable levels for smaller market teams.

Smaller market teams who couldn’t compete for the Alex Rodriguez’s, Shohei Ohtani’s, Juan Soto’s, Gerrit Cole’s, etc are now unable to simply compete for the services of a Tommy Edman or Luke Weaver because they’re completely out priced to levels of great financial risk and long term stability.

I imagine the Cardinals’ connection with Manfred means they’re fully expecting a Lockout. So, pair that with the plummeting attendance and issues with the RSN and I wonder if they are capable of recovering to the levels witnessed pre-COVID.

Finally, there’s still that lingering rumor, that was started by the late-great Mike Shannon, about the Cardinals as a franchise being up for sale. Obviously, some time has passed. However, dumping salary, tanking, Labor disputes + lockout, and diminishing attendance has not change this narrative. If anything, it’s only reinforced it.

So, what are we actually looking at in the future? Will they be able to restore the franchise back into its lofty perch, or are they going to flounder like the Reds & Pirates? Are they the Green Bay Packers of MLB or the Eastern Kansas City Royals?

Without knowing what comes of the likely inevitable MLB Lockout, I’m not optimistic. I think this tailspin may not have a recovery we all hope for; which at this point is the low expectation threshold of the Tampa Rays & Oakland A’s. It’s probably closer to the Cincinnati Reds, Kansas City Royals, or Pittsburgh Piratles.

Or the Brewers, Mariners, Guardians, and Rays.

Is that any better? Lots of World Series trophies sitting in those stadiums!!

[ecleme22]

I didn’t expect a “haul” for WC. But a guy that might slot in at 4 or 5 in the rotation and a couple of distant prospects and give them $8 million? This was a salary dump and not a good deal.

The rose colored, hopeful bias towards Bloom, in full evidence by those spinning this as some solid trade.

It's nothing.

You remove the only competent RH bat and team leader, who earns his paycheck for a player more injury prone than Noot, and some teen and $8 million.

Yes!

In Bloom we excuse

Scouty in 2024: “Winn will never win a GG.”

You’re a contrarian hack…

I also stated that Nado would never win another'...


No oes 100 %. Crazy...

It's an opinion. Imagine that....

Now speak to my post if possible.

You in 2024: “No one wants Schumacher as a manager and he wasn’t hired by the Rangers to eventually take over Bochy.”

Contrarian hack

[scoutyjones2]

I didn’t expect a “haul” for WC. But a guy that might slot in at 4 or 5 in the rotation and a couple of distant prospects and give them $8 million? This was a salary dump and not a good deal.

The rose colored, hopeful bias towards Bloom, in full evidence by those spinning this as some solid trade.

It's nothing.

You remove the only competent RH bat and team leader, who earns his paycheck for a player more injury prone than Noot, and some teen and $8 million.

Yes!

In Bloom we excuse

Scouty in 2024: “Winn will never win a GG.”

You’re a contrarian hack…

I also stated that Nado would never win another'...


No oes 100 %. Crazy...

It's an opinion. Imagine that....

Now speak to my post if possible.

You in 2024: “No one wants Schumacher as a manager and he wasn’t hired by the Rangers to eventually take over Bochy.”

Contrarian hack

Oh wow...Skip. what a great move.

No one wanted him.

Again, opinion where no one is 100%

I also stated for years...no one wants The Secreted Weapon as manager.

I own my posts.

I guess you can't speak to my post.

[ecleme22]

I didn’t expect a “haul” for WC. But a guy that might slot in at 4 or 5 in the rotation and a couple of distant prospects and give them $8 million? This was a salary dump and not a good deal.

The rose colored, hopeful bias towards Bloom, in full evidence by those spinning this as some solid trade.

It's nothing.

You remove the only competent RH bat and team leader, who earns his paycheck for a player more injury prone than Noot, and some teen and $8 million.

Yes!

In Bloom we excuse

Scouty in 2024: “Winn will never win a GG.”

You’re a contrarian hack…

I also stated that Nado would never win another'...


No oes 100 %. Crazy...

It's an opinion. Imagine that....

Now speak to my post if possible.

You in 2024: “No one wants Schumacher as a manager and he wasn’t hired by the Rangers to eventually take over Bochy.”

Contrarian hack

Oh wow...Skip. what a great move.

No one wanted him.

Again, opinion where no one is 100%

I also stated for years...no one wants The Secreted Weapon as manager.

I own my posts.

I guess you can't speak to my post.

Since 2022, how much has Dobbins been on the IL compared to Noot?

[Jatalk]

I didn’t expect a “haul” for WC. But a guy that might slot in at 4 or 5 in the rotation and a couple of distant prospects and give them $8 million? This was a salary dump and not a good deal.

Do you know the definition of salary dump?

Read the WC trade and it will give you a good example.

[Jatalk]

I didn’t expect a “haul” for WC. But a guy that might slot in at 4 or 5 in the rotation and a couple of distant prospects and give them $8 million? This was a salary dump and not a good deal.

The rose colored, hopeful bias towards Bloom, in full evidence by those spinning this as some solid trade.

It's nothing.

You remove the only competent RH bat and team leader, who earns his paycheck for a player more injury prone than Noot, and some teen and $8 million.

Yes!

In Bloom we excuse

I’m starting to wonder about him. But who knows the direction he is getting from ownership. But it is obvious THE CARDINAL ORGANIZATION is broken.

[Banner29]

I didn’t expect a “haul” for WC. But a guy that might slot in at 4 or 5 in the rotation and a couple of distant prospects and give them $8 million? This was a salary dump and not a good deal.

The rose colored, hopeful bias towards Bloom, in full evidence by those spinning this as some solid trade.

It's nothing.

You remove the only competent RH bat and team leader, who earns his paycheck for a player more injury prone than Noot, and some teen and $8 million.

Yes!

In Bloom we excuse

If Mo made this trade we’d all be able to hear you squealing like a pig as you climax, regardless of our locations in proximity to you.

We got a 19 year old high upside arm in a revamped farm system that Bloom and Pierpoint, who have proven success in developing pitching, can craft and develop. For a 34 year old first baseman who would be absolutely useless for us the remainder of his contract regardless of how well he plays, as this team is in no way shape or form built for anything resembling a playoff team.

So quit being a bitter little girl because your boy tied boyfriend is no longer here, which makes most of us very happy

[Olemiss540]

This is about tearing apart a Johnny Mo roster and building an entirely new Bloom roster.

To think we are almost entirely rid of all aging contracts, have a prospect chart in the top third of the MLB, and are a year from shifting into spending cash resources towards the MLB team instead of the MiLB squad is kinda exciting. Pull the bandaid off and let's spend 2026 deciding who we are going to build around. Then spend 2027 buying role players and all stars to supplement that new core.

[smilinjoefission]

1B just opened up and it saved us tens of millions AND we got a potential spot starter or if healthy an actual starter, a teenage flamethrower, and another arm in the minors. Most important, again, 1B just opened up.

[rockondlouie]

Cardinals grade: A

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/will ... cardinals/

[TXCardsFanX]

This is about tearing apart a Johnny Mo roster and building an entirely new Bloom roster.

To think we are almost entirely rid of all aging contracts, have a prospect chart in the top third of the MLB, and are a year from shifting into spending cash resources towards the MLB team instead of the MiLB squad is kinda exciting. Pull the bandaid off and let's spend 2026 deciding who we are going to build around. Then spend 2027 buying role players and all stars to supplement that new core.

Yup. I'm failing to understand why so many other fans don't see this.

[redbirdfan51]

Bloom has had plenty of success at Tampa and Boston. This opens up 1B for Burleson and or Gorman. Have faith! Merry Christmas!

[Voldemort]

Let's face it, the cupboard was bare. WC was one trade option that teams were interested in. It isn't like the Cardinals have a lot of options. May and Dobbins both have a history of injuries. Both have great upside IF they remain healthy. Our SP needed fixing. This gives Cardinal SP more upside, with the loss of Mikolos, who was a disappointment. Farjardo seems to be the real target of this trade. All in all a positive move. I would give this move a "B" due to the uncertainty of Dobbins and injuries.

[ecleme22]

I didn’t expect a “haul” for WC. But a guy that might slot in at 4 or 5 in the rotation and a couple of distant prospects and give them $8 million? This was a salary dump and not a good deal.

Do you know the definition of salary dump?

Read the WC trade and it will give you a good example.

You realize the money given to Boston for the Gray and WC trades is partially so the Cards could get a better return for players?

Teams that dump salary care little about the return.

And teams who are obsessed with saving money don’t go out and sign Dustin May for 12mil

[Banner29]

This is about tearing apart a Johnny Mo roster and building an entirely new Bloom roster.

To think we are almost entirely rid of all aging contracts, have a prospect chart in the top third of the MLB, and are a year from shifting into spending cash resources towards the MLB team instead of the MiLB squad is kinda exciting. Pull the bandaid off and let's spend 2026 deciding who we are going to build around. Then spend 2027 buying role players and all stars to supplement that new core.

Yeah the 2027(or 2028 depending on the lockout) offseason could be like nothing we have ever seen before from this front office. An unreal amount of flexibility to add big time free agents and still be in a spot where Dewitt isn’t having convulsions looking at his payroll.

[rockondlouie]

This is about tearing apart a Johnny Mo roster and building an entirely new Bloom roster.

To think we are almost entirely rid of all aging contracts, have a prospect chart in the top third of the MLB, and are a year from shifting into spending cash resources towards the MLB team instead of the MiLB squad is kinda exciting. Pull the bandaid off and let's spend 2026 deciding who we are going to build around. Then spend 2027 buying role players and all stars to supplement that new core.

Yup. I'm failing to understand why so many other fans don't see this.

I think they understand it guys, they just love to beeetch about it.