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Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:47 pm

icon wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 13:04 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 11:12 am Now it’s being reported that Ivan is going to play for Panama in the WBC! I’m not really surprised by this, he is one of the best players from there, but it’s got to really hurt his development and his chances of being the Cardinals’ opening day catcher. I like the WBC, but the timing of it stinks.

I hate the WBC precisely because of its timing.

Maybe I'm a bad American or baseball fan, but I don't give one rip about the WBC. I didn't feel a thing when the Americans lost out to the Japanese a couple years back. And I wouldn't have felt a thing if they beat Japan.

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:04 am From Ben Hochman's article this morning. Bloom says he isn't ripping anybody but then rips. So good to know that he gets it. Talking about Herrera returning to the catcher position.


"Two, and these are Chaim Bloom’s words, but: “When you look at the entirety of his career, I'm not sure he was ever really set up for success at that position because of a number of factors. And that's not a negative or taking shots at anybody. Some of it's just about the state of the organization — what else is available at the position internally, where you might not get that fair shot, and yet you're being asked to perform in the big leagues, and so you're not in a pure teaching environment, either. …

“I just think this we haven't done everything yet that we should be doing to support him as a young catcher. And we have a chance to play catch-up on that now, and it seemed to me to be something worth doing.”"

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:21 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:08 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:04 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:40 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

No one forces them, but elite athletes want to train and still develop their skills that they use about half a year, and get paid large sums of money

You can't be this dense...

Oh wait...

Well apparently you’re dumb enough to think it’s okay for an organization to destroy its player development system and leave it up to the individual to develop themselves because you are a mo devotee. You’re a real clown I mean mos let the players develop themselves that you support really worked out for them

Did Winn develop under the same system? Donovan?

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:28 pm

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:04 am From Ben Hochman's article this morning. Bloom says he isn't ripping anybody but then rips. So good to know that he gets it. Talking about Herrera returning to the catcher position.


"Two, and these are Chaim Bloom’s words, but: “When you look at the entirety of his career, I'm not sure he was ever really set up for success at that position because of a number of factors. And that's not a negative or taking shots at anybody. Some of it's just about the state of the organization — what else is available at the position internally, where you might not get that fair shot, and yet you're being asked to perform in the big leagues, and so you're not in a pure teaching environment, either. …

“I just think this we haven't done everything yet that we should be doing to support him as a young catcher. And we have a chance to play catch-up on that now, and it seemed to me to be something worth doing.”"

I don’t think Bloom “rips” anyone in that comment. He’s just stating an observation about IH’s development. He’s inheriting a losing team. He’s gonna find some turds in the closets.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:27 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:21 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:08 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:04 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:40 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

No one forces them, but elite athletes want to train and still develop their skills that they use about half a year, and get paid large sums of money

You can't be this dense...

Oh wait...

Well apparently you’re dumb enough to think it’s okay for an organization to destroy its player development system and leave it up to the individual to develop themselves because you are a mo devotee. You’re a real clown I mean mos let the players develop themselves that you support really worked out for them

Did Winn develop under the same system? Donovan?

Not every player will fail under an awful development system you know that of course or maybe you’re too dumb to know that I’m not sure which. You’re probably too dumb to know that though

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:35 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:27 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:21 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:08 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:04 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:40 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

No one forces them, but elite athletes want to train and still develop their skills that they use about half a year, and get paid large sums of money

You can't be this dense...

Oh wait...

Well apparently you’re dumb enough to think it’s okay for an organization to destroy its player development system and leave it up to the individual to develop themselves because you are a mo devotee. You’re a real clown I mean mos let the players develop themselves that you support really worked out for them

Did Winn develop under the same system? Donovan?

Not every player will fail under an awful development system you know that of course or maybe you’re too dumb to know that I’m not sure which. You’re probably too dumb to know that though

Lol. Not every player is successful under good development. See what I did there? most players don't sniff MLB.

That's some laughable [shirt].

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 16:30 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 16:27 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 16:20 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 16:16 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:43 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 11:47 am So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

And yet Bloom hasn't fired anyone to blame for not developing our talent has he? I've never seen an organization do a successful 180 in strategy without some deeper level of housecleaning.

He added instructors.

Which is good, but presumably at some point you find people who aren't doing their own job well enough and can use replacing. Or are just redundant because the new instructors he brought in are now doing their jobs for them.

Im guessing they were capable coaches just not enough of them.

Just based on real world experience with other organizations - I find that pretty unlikely, given how broken our system was that the problem is entirely just not enough resources. In almost every similar case, the existing resources also aren't doing the right things. Maybe some of them can be reformed, but ultimately there are always some who won't get on board with the new regime and need to be let go.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:52 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:35 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:27 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:21 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:08 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:04 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:40 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

No one forces them, but elite athletes want to train and still develop their skills that they use about half a year, and get paid large sums of money

You can't be this dense...

Oh wait...

Well apparently you’re dumb enough to think it’s okay for an organization to destroy its player development system and leave it up to the individual to develop themselves because you are a mo devotee. You’re a real clown I mean mos let the players develop themselves that you support really worked out for them

Did Winn develop under the same system? Donovan?

Not every player will fail under an awful development system you know that of course or maybe you’re too dumb to know that I’m not sure which. You’re probably too dumb to know that though

Lol. Not every player is successful under good development. See what I did there? most players don't sniff MLB.

That's some laughable [shirt].

You seriously can’t be dumb enough to believe that teams are just wasting millions of dollars on development systems if they aren’t necessary and helpful are you? I get you’re dumb but not even you can be dumb enough to believe that I hope lol

riff raff wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 18:28 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:52 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:35 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:27 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:32 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:21 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:08 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:04 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:40 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:28 am If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

No one forces them, but elite athletes want to train and still develop their skills that they use about half a year, and get paid large sums of money

You can't be this dense...

Oh wait...

Well apparently you’re dumb enough to think it’s okay for an organization to destroy its player development system and leave it up to the individual to develop themselves because you are a mo devotee. You’re a real clown I mean mos let the players develop themselves that you support really worked out for them

Did Winn develop under the same system? Donovan?

Not every player will fail under an awful development system you know that of course or maybe you’re too dumb to know that I’m not sure which. You’re probably too dumb to know that though

Lol. Not every player is successful under good development. See what I did there? most players don't sniff MLB.

That's some laughable [shirt].

You seriously can’t be dumb enough to believe that teams are just wasting millions of dollars on development systems if they aren’t necessary and helpful are you? I get you’re dumb but not even you can be dumb enough to believe that I hope lol

You're underestimating snottys intelligence .

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:31 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:28 pm

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:04 am From Ben Hochman's article this morning. Bloom says he isn't ripping anybody but then rips. So good to know that he gets it. Talking about Herrera returning to the catcher position.


"Two, and these are Chaim Bloom’s words, but: “When you look at the entirety of his career, I'm not sure he was ever really set up for success at that position because of a number of factors. And that's not a negative or taking shots at anybody. Some of it's just about the state of the organization — what else is available at the position internally, where you might not get that fair shot, and yet you're being asked to perform in the big leagues, and so you're not in a pure teaching environment, either. …

“I just think this we haven't done everything yet that we should be doing to support him as a young catcher. And we have a chance to play catch-up on that now, and it seemed to me to be something worth doing.”"

I don’t think Bloom “rips” anyone in that comment. He’s just stating an observation about IH’s development. He’s inheriting a losing team. He’s gonna find some turds in the closets.

He actually rips everyone in player development and minor league coaching. Refreshing.

Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 17:28 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 15:47 pm

icon wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 13:04 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 11:12 am Now it’s being reported that Ivan is going to play for Panama in the WBC! I’m not really surprised by this, he is one of the best players from there, but it’s got to really hurt his development and his chances of being the Cardinals’ opening day catcher. I like the WBC, but the timing of it stinks.

I hate the WBC precisely because of its timing.

Maybe I'm a bad American or baseball fan, but I don't give one rip about the WBC. I didn't feel a thing when the Americans lost out to the Japanese a couple years back. And I wouldn't have felt a thing if they beat Japan.

Let’s not forget the Spring of ‘23 when half the team was off farting around in WBC……oh the great event to bring together nations….I commented that the team needed to be at ST playing together. Also the first year of balanced schedule. I’m sure none of those things contributed to a 71-91 record
And last place finish…..

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 09:55 am Love it!

I've heard Bernie say, in oh so many words, when Bloom reported back to BDWJr after doing a thorough evaluations of the minor league player development system that it was a "total s h e e t show, one big cluster fudge".

Two years later Bloom has the system up to date and hopefully we start seeing immediate results when these kids are called up.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 Dec 2025 15:12 pm I still don't understand, will never understand, unable to comprehend, am beyond flabergasted at how something like this happens, but ...

How do you go from being one of the upper echelon, premiere, most-forward thinking organizations in MLB that churns out more quality players than just about anyone else, to completely falling off the map, going backwards, to the point that nearly every young player you now produce is unable to reach anywhere near their potential, and you somehow commit this epic fail in less than a decade.

Was there an individual, change in philosophy, mishandling of certain something, blah blah blah. I just don't get it. How the F did this happen?

Beyond the canned Mo and Girsch, who else is to blame?

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 11:47 am So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.