Bloom rips Cards Player Development: Refreshing

[Ozziesfan41]

If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

No one forces them, but elite athletes want to train and still develop their skills that they use about half a year, and get paid large sums of money

You can't be this dense...

Oh wait...

Well apparently you’re dumb enough to think it’s okay for an organization to destroy its player development system and leave it up to the individual to develop themselves because you are a mo devotee. You’re a real clown I mean mos let the players develop themselves that you support really worked out for them

[Whatashame]

Look, if Herrera is willing to work on his game to make himself a better player then that’s a good thing, right. Maybe he will suck or maybe he will come back as a better player. I don’t see him as an OFer and 1B is a little crowded right now. Maybe Bloom has a point and Herrera didn’t get much help in our system.

The cardinals have numerous catchers.

They need and have needed a RH hitting outfielder.

Herrera should play LF. Easier on his body, no need to worry about trying to throw out base stealers.

Except he has never played the outfield until the Cardinals put him out there last year. He has been a catcher and still wants to be a catcher. He’s willing to work on his game to be a better catcher.

Personally, I don’t think he’s an outfielder and I don’t think he wants to be an outfielder. Bloom and company want to work with him to be a better catcher and he’s willing to put in the time to try and be a better catcher. Sounds like a win/win to me.

Potent Bat
Weak inaccurate arm
Avg to poor defensively behind plate
Not good at calling a game
History of leg issues leading to extended recovery time

LETS MAKE THIS FELLA A MLB FT CATCHER!!!

No one said “make him a mlb ft catcher”. What was said is he wants to work on his catching to make it better. Herrera still wants to catch. He had surgery to address some of the issues on his throwing. Bloom has acknowledged that their minor league development process might have been subpar.

It might lead to absolutely nothing but maybe it does lead to something. Herrera has no position to play. He had never played the outfield before being given a glove and told to go play LF. If he’s not a catcher, he sure as heck isn’t an outfielder. Maybe we should just wait and see what happens. I personally think his best position might be 1B but we are crowded there and he hasn’t done that either. The Cardinals are going to give him every chance to show them whether he’s a catcher or not. Maybe the off season work will be beneficial.

[billybaseball]

It really is infuriating seeing how poorly ran the organization had gotten under MO. It was not a money issue, It was a stubbornness issue.

[Strummer Jones]

Now it’s being reported that Ivan is going to play for Panama in the WBC! I’m not really surprised by this, he is one of the best players from there, but it’s got to really hurt his development and his chances of being the Cardinals’ opening day catcher. I like the WBC, but the timing of it stinks.

I hate the WBC precisely because of its timing.

Maybe I'm a bad American or baseball fan, but I don't give one rip about the WBC. I didn't feel a thing when the Americans lost out to the Japanese a couple years back. And I wouldn't have felt a thing if they beat Japan.

[Bomber1]

Look, if Herrera is willing to work on his game to make himself a better player then that’s a good thing, right. Maybe he will suck or maybe he will come back as a better player. I don’t see him as an OFer and 1B is a little crowded right now. Maybe Bloom has a point and Herrera didn’t get much help in our system.

The cardinals have numerous catchers.

They need and have needed a RH hitting outfielder.

Herrera should play LF. Easier on his body, no need to worry about trying to throw out base stealers.

Except he has never played the outfield until the Cardinals put him out there last year. He has been a catcher and still wants to be a catcher. He’s willing to work on his game to be a better catcher.

Personally, I don’t think he’s an outfielder and I don’t think he wants to be an outfielder. Bloom and company want to work with him to be a better catcher and he’s willing to put in the time to try and be a better catcher. Sounds like a win/win to me.

It’s not win-win.

The fact is that the Cardinals have 4 other catchers if you count Bernal with Rodriguez on the way.

Herrera just muddies the waters, and all the while they still don’t have a RH hitting outfielder.

And to be honest I don’t care one iota what Herrera “wants” or “doesn’t want”. Nor should the team. I assume he “wants” to be a ML player, so he plays where he’s told to play. His wants have no more sway than O’Neill who wanted a long-term contract after 2021, or Rosenthal who wanted to start.

Placating Herrera while leaving the outfield the same disaster that was 2023, 2024, and 2025 is dumb.

All JMO.

[Bomber1]

Now it’s being reported that Ivan is going to play for Panama in the WBC! I’m not really surprised by this, he is one of the best players from there, but it’s got to really hurt his development and his chances of being the Cardinals’ opening day catcher. I like the WBC, but the timing of it stinks.

I hate the WBC precisely because of its timing.

Maybe I'm a bad American or baseball fan, but I don't give one rip about the WBC. I didn't feel a thing when the Americans lost out to the Japanese a couple years back. And I wouldn't have felt a thing if they beat Japan.

This.

[Galatians221jb1]

Look, if Herrera is willing to work on his game to make himself a better player then that’s a good thing, right. Maybe he will suck or maybe he will come back as a better player. I don’t see him as an OFer and 1B is a little crowded right now. Maybe Bloom has a point and Herrera didn’t get much help in our system.

The cardinals have numerous catchers.

They need and have needed a RH hitting outfielder.

Herrera should play LF. Easier on his body, no need to worry about trying to throw out base stealers.

Except he has never played the outfield until the Cardinals put him out there last year. He has been a catcher and still wants to be a catcher. He’s willing to work on his game to be a better catcher.

Personally, I don’t think he’s an outfielder and I don’t think he wants to be an outfielder. Bloom and company want to work with him to be a better catcher and he’s willing to put in the time to try and be a better catcher. Sounds like a win/win to me.

It’s not win-win.

The fact is that the Cardinals have 4 other catchers if you count Bernal with Rodriguez on the way.

Herrera just muddies the waters, and all the while they still don’t have a RH hitting outfielder.

And to be honest I don’t care one iota what Herrera “wants” or “doesn’t want”. Nor should the team. I assume he “wants” to be a ML player, so he plays where he’s told to play. His wants have no more sway than O’Neill who wanted a long-term contract after 2021, or Rosenthal who wanted to start.

Placating Herrera while leaving the outfield the same disaster that was 2023, 2024, and 2025 is dumb.

All JMO.

Herrera runs quite well. The arm works in left field. Lou and Stan both played left field with weak arms. Greg Luzinsky played left field. If catching doesn’t work for him he’s athletic enough to play left field.

[JuanAgosto]

So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

And yet Bloom hasn't fired anyone to blame for not developing our talent has he? I've never seen an organization do a successful 180 in strategy without some deeper level of housecleaning.

He added instructors.

[Carp4Cy]

So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

And yet Bloom hasn't fired anyone to blame for not developing our talent has he? I've never seen an organization do a successful 180 in strategy without some deeper level of housecleaning.

He added instructors.

Which is good, but presumably at some point you find people who aren't doing their own job well enough and can use replacing. Or are just redundant because the new instructors he brought in are now doing their jobs for them.

[JuanAgosto]

So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

And yet Bloom hasn't fired anyone to blame for not developing our talent has he? I've never seen an organization do a successful 180 in strategy without some deeper level of housecleaning.

He added instructors.

Which is good, but presumably at some point you find people who aren't doing their own job well enough and can use replacing. Or are just redundant because the new instructors he brought in are now doing their jobs for them.

Im guessing they were capable coaches just not enough of them.

[Carp4Cy]

So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

And yet Bloom hasn't fired anyone to blame for not developing our talent has he? I've never seen an organization do a successful 180 in strategy without some deeper level of housecleaning.

He added instructors.

Which is good, but presumably at some point you find people who aren't doing their own job well enough and can use replacing. Or are just redundant because the new instructors he brought in are now doing their jobs for them.

Im guessing they were capable coaches just not enough of them.

Just based on real world experience with other organizations - I find that pretty unlikely, given how broken our system was that the problem is entirely just not enough resources. In almost every similar case, the existing resources also aren't doing the right things. Maybe some of them can be reformed, but ultimately there are always some who won't get on board with the new regime and need to be let go.

[riff raff]

https://stlsportspage.com/2025/11/25/ca ... r-leagues/

Some of what is going on.

[Galatians221jb1]

So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

And yet Bloom hasn't fired anyone to blame for not developing our talent has he? I've never seen an organization do a successful 180 in strategy without some deeper level of housecleaning.

He added instructors.

Which is good, but presumably at some point you find people who aren't doing their own job well enough and can use replacing. Or are just redundant because the new instructors he brought in are now doing their jobs for them.

Im guessing they were capable coaches just not enough of them.

Just based on real world experience with other organizations - I find that pretty unlikely, given how broken our system was that the problem is entirely just not enough resources. In almost every similar case, the existing resources also aren't doing the right things. Maybe some of them can be reformed, but ultimately there are always some who won't get on board with the new regime and need to be let go.

Players come up like Walker and Gorman who have just atrociously bad habits with the bat. They aren’t hitters. They are sluggers looking for a pitch to pull and getting behind in the count and flailing away at breaking balls in the dirt. The entire universe knows they are getting a breaking ball in the dirt but they obviously don’t know. They should learn these things in the minors. As it is, not even the major league hitting coaches are capable of straightening them out. Whitey wouldn’t put up with this. He’d be in their face for their stupid approach to hitting.

[riff raff]

So Bloom pointed out the fact that Mo didn't know what he was doing. Not exactly a revelation. The days of lazy, inept leadership in the front office are over. The putz is gone.

And yet Bloom hasn't fired anyone to blame for not developing our talent has he? I've never seen an organization do a successful 180 in strategy without some deeper level of housecleaning.

He added instructors.

Which is good, but presumably at some point you find people who aren't doing their own job well enough and can use replacing. Or are just redundant because the new instructors he brought in are now doing their jobs for them.

Im guessing they were capable coaches just not enough of them.

Just based on real world experience with other organizations - I find that pretty unlikely, given how broken our system was that the problem is entirely just not enough resources. In almost every similar case, the existing resources also aren't doing the right things. Maybe some of them can be reformed, but ultimately there are always some who won't get on board with the new regime and need to be let go.

Players come up like Walker and Gorman who have just atrociously bad habits with the bat. They aren’t hitters. They are sluggers looking for a pitch to pull and getting behind in the count and flailing away at breaking balls in the dirt. The entire universe knows they are getting a breaking ball in the dirt but they obviously don’t know. They should learn these things in the minors. As it is, not even the major league hitting coaches are capable of straightening them out. Whitey wouldn’t put up with this. He’d be in their face for their stupid approach to hitting.

The gap between development of drafted high school players and college players seems to be widening.
It's about development and that's obviously where the problem has been with the Cardinals. Hopefully that is being addressed.
I don't have the numbers but it seems the trend is to draft college players.

[scoutyjones2]

If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

No one forces them, but elite athletes want to train and still develop their skills that they use about half a year, and get paid large sums of money

You can't be this dense...

Oh wait...

Well apparently you’re dumb enough to think it’s okay for an organization to destroy its player development system and leave it up to the individual to develop themselves because you are a mo devotee. You’re a real clown I mean mos let the players develop themselves that you support really worked out for them

Did Winn develop under the same system? Donovan?

[Ozziesfan41]

If a player isn't pursuing, in the off-season, his own improvement regime...that's on the player.

The USMC aren't the greatest fighting force in the world because their 18-24 yo recruits are in charge of their own PT and physical improvement.

Baseball is the military now?

Do you know there are places and programs that pro ball players participate in during the off-season?

A well run organization would develop their players instead of forcing them to find a way to develop themselves

No one forces them, but elite athletes want to train and still develop their skills that they use about half a year, and get paid large sums of money

You can't be this dense...

Oh wait...

Well apparently you’re dumb enough to think it’s okay for an organization to destroy its player development system and leave it up to the individual to develop themselves because you are a mo devotee. You’re a real clown I mean mos let the players develop themselves that you support really worked out for them

Did Winn develop under the same system? Donovan?

Not every player will fail under an awful development system you know that of course or maybe you’re too dumb to know that I’m not sure which. You’re probably too dumb to know that though