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Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 10:05 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:00 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 09:56 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
You should read up on Gaylord Perry and Neikro brothers…..
Admission: Perry openly discussed doctoring baseballs with substances like Vaseline, K-Y jelly, and even fishing line oil. In his 1974 autobiography, Me and the Spitter, he detailed how he used the illegal pitch to gain an advantage.
22yr career
HOF
I often wondered if coffee is a performance enhancer. I truly feel different and better after I partake. I wonder if that inducement made a difference in my career.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 10:56 am
by OldRed
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:05 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:00 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 09:56 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
You should read up on Gaylord Perry and Neikro brothers…..
Admission: Perry openly discussed doctoring baseballs with substances like Vaseline, K-Y jelly, and even fishing line oil. In his 1974 autobiography, Me and the Spitter, he detailed how he used the illegal pitch to gain an advantage.
22yr career
HOF
I often wondered if coffee is a performance enhancer. I truly feel different and better after I partake. I wonder if that inducement made a difference in my career.
I remember Ozzie Smith drinking coffee in the dugout during a game.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 10:58 am
by CorneliusWolfe
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 00:36 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:24 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
I forgot about Ortiz…how the hell did he slip through the cracks? McGwire was on a non-banned substance (at the time) and he didn’t get in.
In my opinion, had Ortiz broke records like Bonds, Mac, clemons and Sosa, he wouldn't be in. As weird as it may sound , I think the writers game him a pass because he didn't rewrite any records, and he always had the fun lovin personality. Thats just the way the voters think.
You’re probably right. It’s the only explanation that makes sense….less controversial.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 11:55 am
by Goldfan
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:03 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 09:56 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
You should read up on Gaylord Perry and Neikro brothers…..
Roids determined the outcome of multiple world series champions.
If most of the league was using something then the only “bad” outcome is a General elevated level of play.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 12:04 pm
by makesnosense
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation and a top 10 of all time. But you keep on stumping for Rose.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 12:06 pm
by makesnosense
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:00 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 09:56 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
You should read up on Gaylord Perry and Neikro brothers…..
Admission: Perry openly discussed doctoring baseballs with substances like Vaseline, K-Y jelly, and even fishing line oil. In his 1974 autobiography, Me and the Spitter, he detailed how he used the illegal pitch to gain an advantage.
22yr career
HOF
But he was lovable so it is with a wink and a nod we acclaim him a HOF. He actually broke written, known rules that have been around since 1920, much like Rose.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 13:58 pm
by ScotchMIrish
makesnosense wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 12:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation and a top 10 of all time. But you keep on stumping for Rose.
The outcome of thousands of games were altered by roids. Rose was banned for life. Some of the roid boys continued to work in MLB jobs after leaving the game and I don't remember Bonds and his buddies getting banned for life.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 14:29 pm
by makesnosense
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 13:58 pm
makesnosense wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 12:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation and a top 10 of all time. But you keep on stumping for Rose.
The outcome of thousands of games were altered by roids. Rose was banned for life. Some of the roid boys continued to work in MLB jobs after leaving the game and I don't remember Bonds and his buddies getting banned for life.
You have zero evidence to back up your first statement. Why would Bonds be banned for life? After all he did what he did to make himself a better player. By being a better player it made the game better.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 14:32 pm
by rockondlouie
After all these years it still amazes how some just don't get what using steroids does to make a player (hitter, runner and pitcher) better than what they NATURALLY would be.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 14:41 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:32 pm
After all these years it still amazes how some just don't get what using steroids does to make a player (hitter, runner and pitcher) better than what they NATURALLY would be.
I don’t get it. I can see brute force. I can see it in football. I can see it helping runners who run . I can see throwing longer more often.
I don’t see how it helps the actual art of hitting a baseball. Or laying off sweepers. Pitch recognition. That I don’t see.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 14:45 pm
by rbirules
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:41 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:32 pm
After all these years it still amazes how some just don't get what using steroids does to make a player (hitter, runner and pitcher) better than what they NATURALLY would be.
I don’t get it. I can see brute force. I can see it in football. I can see it helping runners who run . I can see throwing longer more often.
I don’t see how it helps the actual art of hitting a baseball. Or laying off sweepers. Pitch recognition. That I don’t see.
It doesn't help you hit a baseball, it helps you hit a baseball harder. Well I guess it improves bat speed which could allow you to catch up to pitches you otherwise might not have been able to make contact with.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 14:47 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
rbirules wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:45 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:41 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:32 pm
After all these years it still amazes how some just don't get what using steroids does to make a player (hitter, runner and pitcher) better than what they NATURALLY would be.
I don’t get it. I can see brute force. I can see it in football. I can see it helping runners who run . I can see throwing longer more often.
I don’t see how it helps the actual art of hitting a baseball. Or laying off sweepers. Pitch recognition. That I don’t see.
It doesn't help you hit a baseball, it helps you hit a baseball harder. Well I guess it improves bat speed which could allow you to catch up to pitches you otherwise might not have been able to make contact with.
It would seem to me it would favor pitchers over position players. Rest plus.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 15:07 pm
by Goldfan
Again, if most of the league was doing it at the time then it’s a wash.
And it very interesting that a Maddux, Pedro, Johnson, Schilling, Glavine,…..so some of the BEST SP to play put up historic numbers pitching to a league of steroid users. Please square this for me? So the truly talented and gifted padded their stat line, they would’ve been in the HOF regardless.
This was one of the most entertaining baseball eras from a fan point of view. I’d gladly return to that baseball over what we’re watching today.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 15:14 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 15:07 pm
Again, if most of the league was doing it at the time then it’s a wash.
And it very interesting that a Maddux, Pedro, Johnson, Schilling, Glavine,…..so some of the BEST SP to play put up historic numbers pitching to a league of steroid users. Please square this for me? So the truly talented and gifted padded their stat line, they would’ve been in the HOF regardless.
This was one of the most entertaining baseball eras from a fan point of view. I’d gladly return to that baseball over what we’re watching today.
Under the influence. The entire league. Wouldn’t that lead to a higher level of human baseball.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 15:59 pm
by ScotchMIrish
makesnosense wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:29 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 13:58 pm
makesnosense wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 12:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation and a top 10 of all time. But you keep on stumping for Rose.
The outcome of thousands of games were altered by roids. Rose was banned for life. Some of the roid boys continued to work in MLB jobs after leaving the game and I don't remember Bonds and his buddies getting banned for life.
You have zero evidence to back up your first statement. Why would Bonds be banned for life? After all he did what he did to make himself a better player. By being a better player it made the game better.
If you think there is no evidence of rampant roid use then there is no need to continue the conversation.
Re: Sammy Sosa . . . HOF?
Posted: 02 Dec 2025 18:37 pm
by Goldfan
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 15:59 pm
makesnosense wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 14:29 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 13:58 pm
makesnosense wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 12:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 08:58 am
makesnosense wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025 07:05 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 20:17 pm
No to the roid boys. It's a disgrace that Ortiz got in.
It is a disgrace only that he got in before Bonds. After all Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation.
Bonds is the greatest cheater in the history of baseball.
Bonds is the greatest hitter of his generation and a top 10 of all time. But you keep on stumping for Rose.
The outcome of thousands of games were altered by roids. Rose was banned for life. Some of the roid boys continued to work in MLB jobs after leaving the game and I don't remember Bonds and his buddies getting banned for life.
You have zero evidence to back up your first statement. Why would Bonds be banned for life? After all he did what he did to make himself a better player. By being a better player it made the game better.
If you think there is no evidence of rampant roid use then there is no need to continue the conversation.
There are fellas who get busted today…….I don’t see them putting up steroid era stats…..so again the all-time Elites who might have roided would be HOFers regardless AND if most of the league was roiding then its a wash..