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So why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?juan good eye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 00:54 amFoolishness.
It is a good question you pose .. Guess part of the 'why ' would be based on things you and I are not privy to... A. What is the interest in Donovan signing a long term contract and at what price point ? None of us know in their preliminary talks last year what the Donovan camp is seeking both in terms of length (years) and AAV . Bloom must have an idea. If they are far apart , then Bloom could be thinking , no way will we pay that for a player hitting age 30+ a couple years from now . (Cards have paid previous guys years into their 30's not doing real well ) SO we don't know that part of it .Jatalk wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 07:11 amSo why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?juan good eye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 00:54 amFoolishness.
Hypothetically - if you could trade him for the next Paul Skenes, even if the next Paul Skenes were 2 to 3 years away, why would you not do it?Jatalk wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 07:11 amSo why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?juan good eye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 00:54 amFoolishness.
Skenes was NEVER two or theee years out.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 08:35 amHypothetically - if you could trade him for the next Paul Skenes, even if the next Paul Skenes were 2 to 3 years away, why would you not do it?Jatalk wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 07:11 amSo why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?juan good eye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 00:54 amFoolishness.
There may be a prospect out there somewhere who will turn out to be that. Can the Cardinals identify him?
He was at LSU.Jatalk wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 08:41 amSkenes was NEVER two or theee years out.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 08:35 amHypothetically - if you could trade him for the next Paul Skenes, even if the next Paul Skenes were 2 to 3 years away, why would you not do it?Jatalk wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 07:11 amSo why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?juan good eye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 00:54 amFoolishness.
There may be a prospect out there somewhere who will turn out to be that. Can the Cardinals identify him?
I’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 04:19 amThe further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 19:16 pm100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.
Or a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than DonnieCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 13:33 pmI’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 04:19 amThe further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 19:16 pm100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.
I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.
I'm guessing like everyone else, but I'm guessing that there are at least two prospects as the centerpiece with all of their team control left.renostl wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 14:25 pmOr a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than DonnieCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 13:33 pmI’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 04:19 amThe further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 19:16 pm100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.
I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.
gives the team.
They would need to be high level prospects. Like top five in the organization. Maybe one a starting pitcher and one a corner infielder or outfielder with some power.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 15:13 pmI'm guessing like everyone else, but I'm guessing that there are at least two prospects as the centerpiece with all of their team control left.renostl wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 14:25 pmOr a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than DonnieCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 13:33 pmI’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 04:19 amThe further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 19:16 pm100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.
I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.
gives the team.
That could make sense too at a position of greater need. It would be nice if they could extend that player too if he’s solid like Donovan.renostl wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 14:25 pmOr a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than DonnieCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 13:33 pmI’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 04:19 amThe further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 19:16 pm100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.
I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.
gives the team.
Better return.Jatalk wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 07:11 amSo why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?juan good eye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 00:54 amFoolishness.
I certainly hope they are looking for more than just one more year of team control.renostl wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 14:25 pmOr a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than DonnieCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 13:33 pmI’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2025 04:19 amThe further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 19:16 pm100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.
I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.
gives the team.