Parameters in a return for Donovan

[Jatalk]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

Foolishness.

So why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?

[ramfandan]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

Foolishness.

So why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?

It is a good question you pose .. Guess part of the 'why ' would be based on things you and I are not privy to... A. What is the interest in Donovan signing a long term contract and at what price point ? None of us know in their preliminary talks last year what the Donovan camp is seeking both in terms of length (years) and AAV . Bloom must have an idea. If they are far apart , then Bloom could be thinking , no way will we pay that for a player hitting age 30+ a couple years from now . (Cards have paid previous guys years into their 30's not doing real well ) SO we don't know that part of it .
IF (the big IF ) is if Bloom figures no way they can keep Donovan long term , then the decision comes down to this if I am Bloom Will I be better getting players now for him (with his 2 years remaining ) or keeping him for the next two years and then getting one compensation pick for Donovan after the 2027 season. So that is part of the 'why' Bloom may think it's best to trade Donovan now if he feels he gets much more from Donovan moving him . Don't know if he does or not . We will find out soon I guess.

[mattmitchl44]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

Foolishness.

So why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?

Hypothetically - if you could trade him for the next Paul Skenes, even if the next Paul Skenes were 2 to 3 years away, why would you not do it?

There may be a prospect out there somewhere who will turn out to be that. Can the Cardinals identify him?

[Jatalk]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

Foolishness.

So why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?

Hypothetically - if you could trade him for the next Paul Skenes, even if the next Paul Skenes were 2 to 3 years away, why would you not do it?

There may be a prospect out there somewhere who will turn out to be that. Can the Cardinals identify him?

Skenes was NEVER two or theee years out.

[mattmitchl44]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

Foolishness.

So why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?

Hypothetically - if you could trade him for the next Paul Skenes, even if the next Paul Skenes were 2 to 3 years away, why would you not do it?

There may be a prospect out there somewhere who will turn out to be that. Can the Cardinals identify him?

Skenes was NEVER two or theee years out.

He was at LSU.

If you want to be literal, substitute Tarik Skubal.

[CorneliusWolfe]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.

The further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.

Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.

I’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.

I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.

[renostl]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.

The further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.

Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.

I’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.

I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.

Or a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than Donnie
gives the team.

[Talkin' Baseball]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.

The further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.

Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.

I’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.

I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.

Or a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than Donnie
gives the team.

I'm guessing like everyone else, but I'm guessing that there are at least two prospects as the centerpiece with all of their team control left.

[Shady]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.

The further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.

Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.

I’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.

I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.

Or a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than Donnie
gives the team.

I'm guessing like everyone else, but I'm guessing that there are at least two prospects as the centerpiece with all of their team control left.

They would need to be high level prospects. Like top five in the organization. Maybe one a starting pitcher and one a corner infielder or outfielder with some power.

[CorneliusWolfe]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.

The further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.

Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.

I’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.

I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.

Or a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than Donnie
gives the team.

That could make sense too at a position of greater need. It would be nice if they could extend that player too if he’s solid like Donovan.

[juan good eye]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

Foolishness.

So why do you want to trade the best player on your team for some guys you might not see for 2 or 3 years, if then?

Better return.

The closer in proximity a prospect is to MLB typically the less risk associated regarding development outcome.

So if you have what appears to be three equally talented young players with the only difference being proximity to MLB:

Player 1: MLB ready
Player 2: AA ready
Player 3: High A ready

With all else being equal Player 1 would cost the most to trade for and player 3 would cost the least.

BD is good but he isn’t likely to return a sure thing all-star MLB ready young player. Yet cheap all star talent (3-4+ WAR players) are what the Cards need build around.

Since the Cards aren’t in a win now mode they can take the risk to go after higher end kids that need more development time (if required) and in turn get the most bang for their buck with assets like BD and others.

[mattmitchl44]

What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.

It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.

100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.

The further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.

Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.

I’m not expecting the 1-2 year, under 26, MLB proven, highly successful guy, no one is trading them for a Donovan because that is crippling to their current team they’re actively trying to improve and would be idiotic on their part.

I’d expect the centerpiece to be a prospect that has started banging in the door with great success at least at AA level. Not an A ball guy that is still several years away. Or…a solid but maybe not spectacular player at a position of great need, like a starter or RHH OF’er + a good throw in like a really good reliever.

Or a baseball trade where maybe you get a year more control than Donnie
gives the team.

I certainly hope they are looking for more than just one more year of team control.