Been quiet on Contreras .. Might he be moved this winter ?

[ScotchMIrish]

WillyC is going nowhere (IMO).

He loves it here and has made it clear, even though he'd "listen", he wants to stay and help the kids w/the re-build.

I hope he stays!

the only leader on the team...he stays

Cardinals’ Willson Contreras hints his pitchers aren’t protecting him from being hit by pitches

He gets hit deliberately on the elbow pad and then blames his teammates. That's leadership? He should learn how to skate and take up hockey if he wants to fight. Baseball isn't ice hockey.

No retaliation is his concern dumb[ash].

He deliberately gets hit by pitch and then wants his teammates to retaliate.

Deliberately?

He Doesn't spin away. a pitch inside he lets it hit his elbow pad. In Chicago he called out his teammates too. He also tripped a runner at first base and then wanted to fight.

He's a distraction. Move him for a ballplayer.

Yes, he called out his pitchers/team for not having his back. That's leadership. I guess you like the simps like Nado and Oldy ...

He gets hit deliberately on the elbow pad and then calls out his teammates. He's the guy you avoid associating with away from work because he will get into a fight and expect you to join in.

Nope. Hes a gamer. Only one in the team.

He's who you want with you in a fight

Drama queen. No thanks.

[ScotchMIrish]

WillyC is going nowhere (IMO).

He loves it here and has made it clear, even though he'd "listen", he wants to stay and help the kids w/the re-build.

I hope he stays!

the only leader on the team...he stays

Cardinals’ Willson Contreras hints his pitchers aren’t protecting him from being hit by pitches

He gets hit deliberately on the elbow pad and then blames his teammates. That's leadership? He should learn how to skate and take up hockey if he wants to fight. Baseball isn't ice hockey.

No retaliation is his concern dumb[ash].

He deliberately gets hit by pitch and then wants his teammates to retaliate.

Deliberately?

He Doesn't spin away. a pitch inside he lets it hit his elbow pad. In Chicago he called out his teammates too. He also tripped a runner at first base and then wanted to fight.

He's a distraction. Move him for a ballplayer.

This argument has two sides:

A decade of teammates who love him vs. you

hmm...

I'm not a fan of that much drama.

[ecleme22]

WillyC is going nowhere (IMO).

He loves it here and has made it clear, even though he'd "listen", he wants to stay and help the kids w/the re-build.

I hope he stays!

the only leader on the team...he stays

Cardinals’ Willson Contreras hints his pitchers aren’t protecting him from being hit by pitches

He gets hit deliberately on the elbow pad and then blames his teammates. That's leadership? He should learn how to skate and take up hockey if he wants to fight. Baseball isn't ice hockey.

No retaliation is his concern dumb[ash].

He deliberately gets hit by pitch and then wants his teammates to retaliate.

Deliberately?

He Doesn't spin away. a pitch inside he lets it hit his elbow pad. In Chicago he called out his teammates too. He also tripped a runner at first base and then wanted to fight.

He's a distraction. Move him for a ballplayer.

This argument has two sides:

A decade of teammates who love him vs. you

hmm...

I'm not a fan of that much drama.

What drama?

[ScotchMIrish]

WillyC is going nowhere (IMO).

He loves it here and has made it clear, even though he'd "listen", he wants to stay and help the kids w/the re-build.

I hope he stays!

the only leader on the team...he stays

Cardinals’ Willson Contreras hints his pitchers aren’t protecting him from being hit by pitches

He gets hit deliberately on the elbow pad and then blames his teammates. That's leadership? He should learn how to skate and take up hockey if he wants to fight. Baseball isn't ice hockey.

No retaliation is his concern dumb[ash].

He deliberately gets hit by pitch and then wants his teammates to retaliate.

Deliberately?

He Doesn't spin away. a pitch inside he lets it hit his elbow pad. In Chicago he called out his teammates too. He also tripped a runner at first base and then wanted to fight.

He's a distraction. Move him for a ballplayer.

This argument has two sides:

A decade of teammates who love him vs. you

hmm...

I'm not a fan of that much drama.

What drama?

Gets hit on the elbow pad on purpose and then cries that his teammates aren't backing him up. Ban elbow pads and his HBP would go to 0.

[45s]

WillyC is going nowhere (IMO).

He loves it here and has made it clear, even though he'd "listen", he wants to stay and help the kids w/the re-build.

I hope he stays!

the only leader on the team...he stays

He “led” them to 78 wins and a fourth place finish ….

Given his age, and his salary, that seems to be the kind of leadership the club can do without…

[ramfandan]

The more I read various scenarios regarding Contreras , I come back to this ... He wants to remain with the team he told Bloom ( I applaud him for that ) Sonny Gray also did n 2024 but after 2025 could see things had changed.
Contreas may be in the same spot. He wants to mentor the young guys he said but after a year of doing that , he may also think more about his personal future too . Also his full no trade clause expires after this year . With just a 10 team list 'no trade' , Bloom has more flexibility if he tells Contreras it's time for another fit .(just like with Nolan Arenado ). While a good player , Contreras is not the future of Bloom's rebuild plans.

Like Arenado and Gray , he may see the writing on the wall for himself too. These guys are 'profesiional baseball players' They understand the 'business ' part of it very well.

[brock118]

The more I read various scenarios regarding Contreras , I come back to this ... He wants to remain with the team he told Bloom ( I applaud him for that ) Sonny Gray also did n 2024 but after 2025 could see things had changed.
Contreas may be in the same spot. He wants to mentor the young guys he said but after a year of doing that , he may also think more about his personal future too . Also his full no trade clause expires after this year . With just a 10 team list 'no trade' , Bloom has more flexibility if he tells Contreras it's time for another fit .(just like with Nolan Arenado ). While a good player , Contreras is not the future of Bloom's rebuild plans.

Like Arenado and Gray , he may see the writing on the wall for himself too. These guys are 'profesiional baseball players' They understand the 'business ' part of it very well.

I think they try very hard to trade him just because of his salary. We may be looking at Pirate/Ray type of payroll next year.

[Ozziesfan41]

The more I read various scenarios regarding Contreras , I come back to this ... He wants to remain with the team he told Bloom ( I applaud him for that ) Sonny Gray also did n 2024 but after 2025 could see things had changed.
Contreas may be in the same spot. He wants to mentor the young guys he said but after a year of doing that , he may also think more about his personal future too . Also his full no trade clause expires after this year . With just a 10 team list 'no trade' , Bloom has more flexibility if he tells Contreras it's time for another fit .(just like with Nolan Arenado ). While a good player , Contreras is not the future of Bloom's rebuild plans.

Like Arenado and Gray , he may see the writing on the wall for himself too. These guys are 'profesiional baseball players' They understand the 'business ' part of it very well.

+1

[riff raff]

Contreras is the first one you trade.
If you can't trade Arenado and you keep Donovan, then Donny can play LF.
JJ 2B.