and Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien to a lesser degree somewhere in the pitching mix. Maybe Saggese as a bench player.
and then a next-level buy in for:
OF - Josh Baez
C- Bernal/Rodriguez
SP - Mathews
SP/RP - Hence
SP/RP - Franklin
Then you have reclamation projects like Gorman, Walker, maybe Nootbaar that you're not counting but maybe just hoping to get more out of.
Yeah, have to say that is pretty accurate.
[fork]ing rebuild here we come.
Gonna be so exciting.
What is the ******* alternative?!?
We've already watched them try the alternative of slapping band-aid after band-aid on the ML roster for the last decade. And they've got one NLCS trip where they got swept, three first round playoff losses, and a bunch of missed playoffs seasons to show for it.
Is that what we want to continue?!?
Stop acting like there’s only two alternatives.
If someone bought the team and let Bloom spend $180-$200 million, smartly, instead of how mo spent it - you would think he could do a whole lot better. As well as hiring a top 5 manager.
Let me repeat what I've said over and over and over again - yes, they EVENTUALLY will need to spend back at the ~$180 million level in order to be really competitive with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc.
But a big part of spending smartly is (1) defining exactly what needs you should be spending money on and then (2) getting FAs who are still at their peak to fill those needs when you are ready to "win now."
So develop your critical mass of young, cost controlled players FIRST, which will tell you precisely what needs you should be spending money to fill and THEN go get your expensive veterans who will then be presumably at their best in the age 29, age 30, age 31, etc. years of their expensive, multiyear contracts.
Throwing money around now - when you are not ready to "win now" because you don't have a critical mass of young, cost controlled players ready to produce - ends up leaving you with more Arenados who you'll be paying too much for in 3, 4, etc. years and limiting your ability to add what you actually need in 2028, 2029, etc.
We will always need plus outfielders and starters. Tatis for example is an available now but he won’t be available in 2028. Yamamato was available in 2023 or whatever year but isn’t now or ever again id bet. There are others available this year. Sometimes you need to strike when the player is available or lose your chance. There’s no way you can achieve 100% roster efficiency in Major league baseball like you’re trying to do in theory. There are pros and cons of trying it your way and you’re ignoring the potential cons that we will encounter.
Tatis has a full NTC through 2028, and a partial NTC through 2036.
Yamamoto was a $325+ million commitment for a guy who had never set foot in MLB.
But there are no real "pros" to the Cardinals committing themselves to a lot on long term money right now - unless you just want more of the pablum of having a couple of "name" stars to hold your attention while they still never come close to getting to another NLCS or WS.
They've been doing the "give the fans the pablum of having Gray, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, etc., etc., etc. and maybe they won't notice the team as whole isn't very good" for years. Why do you want more of that?!?
and Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien to a lesser degree somewhere in the pitching mix. Maybe Saggese as a bench player.
and then a next-level buy in for:
OF - Josh Baez
C- Bernal/Rodriguez
SP - Mathews
SP/RP - Hence
SP/RP - Franklin
Then you have reclamation projects like Gorman, Walker, maybe Nootbaar that you're not counting but maybe just hoping to get more out of.
Yeah, have to say that is pretty accurate.
[fork]ing rebuild here we come.
Gonna be so exciting.
What is the ******* alternative?!?
We've already watched them try the alternative of slapping band-aid after band-aid on the ML roster for the last decade. And they've got one NLCS trip where they got swept, three first round playoff losses, and a bunch of missed playoffs seasons to show for it.
Is that what we want to continue?!?
Stop acting like there’s only two alternatives.
If someone bought the team and let Bloom spend $180-$200 million, smartly, instead of how mo spent it - you would think he could do a whole lot better. As well as hiring a top 5 manager.
Let me repeat what I've said over and over and over again - yes, they EVENTUALLY will need to spend back at the ~$180 million level in order to be really competitive with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc.
But a big part of spending smartly is (1) defining exactly what needs you should be spending money on and then (2) getting FAs who are still at their peak to fill those needs when you are ready to "win now."
So develop your critical mass of young, cost controlled players FIRST, which will tell you precisely what needs you should be spending money to fill and THEN go get your expensive veterans who will then be presumably at their best in the age 29, age 30, age 31, etc. years of their expensive, multiyear contracts.
Throwing money around now - when you are not ready to "win now" because you don't have a critical mass of young, cost controlled players ready to produce - ends up leaving you with more Arenados who you'll be paying too much for in 3, 4, etc. years and limiting your ability to add what you actually need in 2028, 2029, etc.
We will always need plus outfielders and starters. Tatis for example is an available now but he won’t be available in 2028. Yamamato was available in 2023 or whatever year but isn’t now or ever again id bet. There are others available this year. Sometimes you need to strike when the player is available or lose your chance. There’s no way you can achieve 100% roster efficiency in Major league baseball like you’re trying to do in theory. There are pros and cons of trying it your way and you’re ignoring the potential cons that we will encounter.
Tatis has a full NTC through 2028, and a partial NTC through 2036.
Yamamoto was a $325+ million commitment for a guy who had never set foot in MLB.
But there are no real "pros" to the Cardinals committing themselves to a lot on long term money right now - unless you just want more of the pablum of having a couple of "name" stars to hold your attention while they still never come close to getting to another NLCS or WS.
They've been doing the "give the fans the pablum of having Gray, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, etc., etc., etc. and maybe they won't notice the team as whole isn't very good" for years. Why do you want more of that?!?
Tatis is on the block Now, and he's 4 years younger than Nado, Goldy, Willson and 7 years younger than Grey - when we acquired each. He's basically the same age as some we consider "prospects". Yamamato was also young as was Ohtani when he came over. When BDW has screwed up the roster for this long he needs to be willing to (over)pay on long term HOF level Young talent that we really can build around for a long long time. Someone who's good years vastly exceeds some idea of windows. There's not another Pujols in our system and we aren't going to get one in trade for the players we have on the block. Asian leagues and rare star trades can be the workaround.
and Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien to a lesser degree somewhere in the pitching mix. Maybe Saggese as a bench player.
and then a next-level buy in for:
OF - Josh Baez
C- Bernal/Rodriguez
SP - Mathews
SP/RP - Hence
SP/RP - Franklin
Then you have reclamation projects like Gorman, Walker, maybe Nootbaar that you're not counting but maybe just hoping to get more out of.
Yeah, have to say that is pretty accurate.
[fork]ing rebuild here we come.
Gonna be so exciting.
What is the ******* alternative?!?
We've already watched them try the alternative of slapping band-aid after band-aid on the ML roster for the last decade. And they've got one NLCS trip where they got swept, three first round playoff losses, and a bunch of missed playoffs seasons to show for it.
Is that what we want to continue?!?
Stop acting like there’s only two alternatives.
If someone bought the team and let Bloom spend $180-$200 million, smartly, instead of how mo spent it - you would think he could do a whole lot better. As well as hiring a top 5 manager.
Let me repeat what I've said over and over and over again - yes, they EVENTUALLY will need to spend back at the ~$180 million level in order to be really competitive with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc.
But a big part of spending smartly is (1) defining exactly what needs you should be spending money on and then (2) getting FAs who are still at their peak to fill those needs when you are ready to "win now."
So develop your critical mass of young, cost controlled players FIRST, which will tell you precisely what needs you should be spending money to fill and THEN go get your expensive veterans who will then be presumably at their best in the age 29, age 30, age 31, etc. years of their expensive, multiyear contracts.
Throwing money around now - when you are not ready to "win now" because you don't have a critical mass of young, cost controlled players ready to produce - ends up leaving you with more Arenados who you'll be paying too much for in 3, 4, etc. years and limiting your ability to add what you actually need in 2028, 2029, etc.
We will always need plus outfielders and starters. Tatis for example is an available now but he won’t be available in 2028. Yamamato was available in 2023 or whatever year but isn’t now or ever again id bet. There are others available this year. Sometimes you need to strike when the player is available or lose your chance. There’s no way you can achieve 100% roster efficiency in Major league baseball like you’re trying to do in theory. There are pros and cons of trying it your way and you’re ignoring the potential cons that we will encounter.
Tatis has a full NTC through 2028, and a partial NTC through 2036.
Yamamoto was a $325+ million commitment for a guy who had never set foot in MLB.
But there are no real "pros" to the Cardinals committing themselves to a lot on long term money right now - unless you just want more of the pablum of having a couple of "name" stars to hold your attention while they still never come close to getting to another NLCS or WS.
They've been doing the "give the fans the pablum of having Gray, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, etc., etc., etc. and maybe they won't notice the team as whole isn't very good" for years. Why do you want more of that?!?
Yea tatis isn’t going to waive the NTC to go to a team that sucks and it’s laughable that people think the cardinals could trade guys like gray and Donovan and crooks are delusional they will have to trade JJ and Doyle and others to make it happen
and Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien to a lesser degree somewhere in the pitching mix. Maybe Saggese as a bench player.
and then a next-level buy in for:
OF - Josh Baez
C- Bernal/Rodriguez
SP - Mathews
SP/RP - Hence
SP/RP - Franklin
Then you have reclamation projects like Gorman, Walker, maybe Nootbaar that you're not counting but maybe just hoping to get more out of.
Yeah, have to say that is pretty accurate.
[fork]ing rebuild here we come.
Gonna be so exciting.
What is the ******* alternative?!?
We've already watched them try the alternative of slapping band-aid after band-aid on the ML roster for the last decade. And they've got one NLCS trip where they got swept, three first round playoff losses, and a bunch of missed playoffs seasons to show for it.
Is that what we want to continue?!?
Stop acting like there’s only two alternatives.
If someone bought the team and let Bloom spend $180-$200 million, smartly, instead of how mo spent it - you would think he could do a whole lot better. As well as hiring a top 5 manager.
Let me repeat what I've said over and over and over again - yes, they EVENTUALLY will need to spend back at the ~$180 million level in order to be really competitive with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc.
But a big part of spending smartly is (1) defining exactly what needs you should be spending money on and then (2) getting FAs who are still at their peak to fill those needs when you are ready to "win now."
So develop your critical mass of young, cost controlled players FIRST, which will tell you precisely what needs you should be spending money to fill and THEN go get your expensive veterans who will then be presumably at their best in the age 29, age 30, age 31, etc. years of their expensive, multiyear contracts.
Throwing money around now - when you are not ready to "win now" because you don't have a critical mass of young, cost controlled players ready to produce - ends up leaving you with more Arenados who you'll be paying too much for in 3, 4, etc. years and limiting your ability to add what you actually need in 2028, 2029, etc.
We will always need plus outfielders and starters. Tatis for example is an available now but he won’t be available in 2028. Yamamato was available in 2023 or whatever year but isn’t now or ever again id bet. There are others available this year. Sometimes you need to strike when the player is available or lose your chance. There’s no way you can achieve 100% roster efficiency in Major league baseball like you’re trying to do in theory. There are pros and cons of trying it your way and you’re ignoring the potential cons that we will encounter.
Tatis has a full NTC through 2028, and a partial NTC through 2036.
Yamamoto was a $325+ million commitment for a guy who had never set foot in MLB.
But there are no real "pros" to the Cardinals committing themselves to a lot on long term money right now - unless you just want more of the pablum of having a couple of "name" stars to hold your attention while they still never come close to getting to another NLCS or WS.
They've been doing the "give the fans the pablum of having Gray, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, etc., etc., etc. and maybe they won't notice the team as whole isn't very good" for years. Why do you want more of that?!?
Tatis is on the block Now, and he's 4 years younger than Nado, Goldy, Willson and 7 years younger than Grey - when we acquired each. He's basically the same age as some we consider "prospects". Yamamato was also young as was Ohtani when he came over. When BDW has screwed up the roster for this long he needs to be willing to (over)pay on long term HOF level Young talent that we really can build around for a long long time. Someone who's good years vastly exceeds some idea of windows. There's not another Pujols in our system and we aren't going to get one in trade for the players we have on the block. Asian leagues and rare star trades can be the workaround.
Tatis may be on the block, like Arenado is on the block, but he still has a full NTC. I think there is zero chance of Tatis waiving his NTC to come to St. Louis.
The issue with Yamamoto wasn't his age. If Mozeliak had offered $350 million to a guy with ZERO MLB track record, CT's heads would have exploded. And he still would not be winning WS in St. Louis.
Teams with really deep pockets like the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, etc. can afford to (over)pay for what you hope to be "long term HOF level young talent." The middle market teams like the Cardinals simply can't.
When is the last time ANY middle market team, not just the Cardinals, (over)paid for "long term HOF level young talent" and won as WS with it?
and Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien to a lesser degree somewhere in the pitching mix. Maybe Saggese as a bench player.
and then a next-level buy in for:
OF - Josh Baez
C- Bernal/Rodriguez
SP - Mathews
SP/RP - Hence
SP/RP - Franklin
Then you have reclamation projects like Gorman, Walker, maybe Nootbaar that you're not counting but maybe just hoping to get more out of.
Yeah, have to say that is pretty accurate.
[fork]ing rebuild here we come.
Gonna be so exciting.
What is the ******* alternative?!?
We've already watched them try the alternative of slapping band-aid after band-aid on the ML roster for the last decade. And they've got one NLCS trip where they got swept, three first round playoff losses, and a bunch of missed playoffs seasons to show for it.
Is that what we want to continue?!?
Stop acting like there’s only two alternatives.
If someone bought the team and let Bloom spend $180-$200 million, smartly, instead of how mo spent it - you would think he could do a whole lot better. As well as hiring a top 5 manager.
Let me repeat what I've said over and over and over again - yes, they EVENTUALLY will need to spend back at the ~$180 million level in order to be really competitive with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc.
But a big part of spending smartly is (1) defining exactly what needs you should be spending money on and then (2) getting FAs who are still at their peak to fill those needs when you are ready to "win now."
So develop your critical mass of young, cost controlled players FIRST, which will tell you precisely what needs you should be spending money to fill and THEN go get your expensive veterans who will then be presumably at their best in the age 29, age 30, age 31, etc. years of their expensive, multiyear contracts.
Throwing money around now - when you are not ready to "win now" because you don't have a critical mass of young, cost controlled players ready to produce - ends up leaving you with more Arenados who you'll be paying too much for in 3, 4, etc. years and limiting your ability to add what you actually need in 2028, 2029, etc.
We will always need plus outfielders and starters. Tatis for example is an available now but he won’t be available in 2028. Yamamato was available in 2023 or whatever year but isn’t now or ever again id bet. There are others available this year. Sometimes you need to strike when the player is available or lose your chance. There’s no way you can achieve 100% roster efficiency in Major league baseball like you’re trying to do in theory. There are pros and cons of trying it your way and you’re ignoring the potential cons that we will encounter.
Tatis has a full NTC through 2028, and a partial NTC through 2036.
Yamamoto was a $325+ million commitment for a guy who had never set foot in MLB.
But there are no real "pros" to the Cardinals committing themselves to a lot on long term money right now - unless you just want more of the pablum of having a couple of "name" stars to hold your attention while they still never come close to getting to another NLCS or WS.
They've been doing the "give the fans the pablum of having Gray, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, etc., etc., etc. and maybe they won't notice the team as whole isn't very good" for years. Why do you want more of that?!?
Tatis is on the block Now, and he's 4 years younger than Nado, Goldy, Willson and 7 years younger than Grey - when we acquired each. He's basically the same age as some we consider "prospects". Yamamato was also young as was Ohtani when he came over. When BDW has screwed up the roster for this long he needs to be willing to (over)pay on long term HOF level Young talent that we really can build around for a long long time. Someone who's good years vastly exceeds some idea of windows. There's not another Pujols in our system and we aren't going to get one in trade for the players we have on the block. Asian leagues and rare star trades can be the workaround.
Tatis may be on the block, like Arenado is on the block, but he still has a full NTC. I think there is zero chance of Tatis waiving his NTC to come to St. Louis.
If Tatis won't trust Bloom's process enough to come to STL - why should the fans? If players want to win now, what's wrong with fans demanding the same?
If this #1 rated farm system is really all that, and has the potential to turn us into a 10 year long dynasty, then maybe younger stars like Tatis with long contracts ahead of them should want to be a part of that - if it is indeed real and not just mgmt blowing smoke up our (*&#.
and Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien to a lesser degree somewhere in the pitching mix. Maybe Saggese as a bench player.
and then a next-level buy in for:
OF - Josh Baez
C- Bernal/Rodriguez
SP - Mathews
SP/RP - Hence
SP/RP - Franklin
Then you have reclamation projects like Gorman, Walker, maybe Nootbaar that you're not counting but maybe just hoping to get more out of.
Yeah, have to say that is pretty accurate.
[fork]ing rebuild here we come.
Gonna be so exciting.
What is the ******* alternative?!?
We've already watched them try the alternative of slapping band-aid after band-aid on the ML roster for the last decade. And they've got one NLCS trip where they got swept, three first round playoff losses, and a bunch of missed playoffs seasons to show for it.
Is that what we want to continue?!?
Stop acting like there’s only two alternatives.
If someone bought the team and let Bloom spend $180-$200 million, smartly, instead of how mo spent it - you would think he could do a whole lot better. As well as hiring a top 5 manager.
Let me repeat what I've said over and over and over again - yes, they EVENTUALLY will need to spend back at the ~$180 million level in order to be really competitive with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc.
But a big part of spending smartly is (1) defining exactly what needs you should be spending money on and then (2) getting FAs who are still at their peak to fill those needs when you are ready to "win now."
So develop your critical mass of young, cost controlled players FIRST, which will tell you precisely what needs you should be spending money to fill and THEN go get your expensive veterans who will then be presumably at their best in the age 29, age 30, age 31, etc. years of their expensive, multiyear contracts.
Throwing money around now - when you are not ready to "win now" because you don't have a critical mass of young, cost controlled players ready to produce - ends up leaving you with more Arenados who you'll be paying too much for in 3, 4, etc. years and limiting your ability to add what you actually need in 2028, 2029, etc.
We will always need plus outfielders and starters. Tatis for example is an available now but he won’t be available in 2028. Yamamato was available in 2023 or whatever year but isn’t now or ever again id bet. There are others available this year. Sometimes you need to strike when the player is available or lose your chance. There’s no way you can achieve 100% roster efficiency in Major league baseball like you’re trying to do in theory. There are pros and cons of trying it your way and you’re ignoring the potential cons that we will encounter.
Tatis has a full NTC through 2028, and a partial NTC through 2036.
Yamamoto was a $325+ million commitment for a guy who had never set foot in MLB.
But there are no real "pros" to the Cardinals committing themselves to a lot on long term money right now - unless you just want more of the pablum of having a couple of "name" stars to hold your attention while they still never come close to getting to another NLCS or WS.
They've been doing the "give the fans the pablum of having Gray, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, etc., etc., etc. and maybe they won't notice the team as whole isn't very good" for years. Why do you want more of that?!?
Tatis is on the block Now, and he's 4 years younger than Nado, Goldy, Willson and 7 years younger than Grey - when we acquired each. He's basically the same age as some we consider "prospects". Yamamato was also young as was Ohtani when he came over. When BDW has screwed up the roster for this long he needs to be willing to (over)pay on long term HOF level Young talent that we really can build around for a long long time. Someone who's good years vastly exceeds some idea of windows. There's not another Pujols in our system and we aren't going to get one in trade for the players we have on the block. Asian leagues and rare star trades can be the workaround.
Tatis may be on the block, like Arenado is on the block, but he still has a full NTC. I think there is zero chance of Tatis waiving his NTC to come to St. Louis.
If Tatis won't trust Bloom's process enough to come to STL - why should the fans? If players want to win now, what's wrong with fans demanding the same?
If this #1 rated farm system is really all that, and has the potential to turn us into a 10 year long dynasty, then maybe younger stars like Tatis with long contracts ahead of them should want to be a part of that - if it is indeed real and not just mgmt blowing smoke up our (*&#.
LOL - it's not about Tatis "trusting anyone's process." It's about Tatis' entire personality saying that he has no interest in a sleepy, midwestern city.
If Tatis were to agree to be traded at all, his list of teams he would go to is probably - the Dodgers, Astros, Yankees, Mets, and maybe the Rangers, Giants, and Angels.
