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Posted: **24 Oct 2025 17:50 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 17:21 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 16:38 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 16:35 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 16:07 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 16:05 pm Again, Cranny has the more accurate version of my prediction for Burleson. Some of those that doubted that regarding Burleson are now scrambling. Funny to see. But, no biggie.
Oh, there's definitely someone scrambling (and pathologically lying) here, but it's not "Some."
LOL.
If it wasn't clear, I was/am not referring to you. Unfortunately, Shady is now clinging to you in his posts like a human shield, which can muddy precisely who is addressing whom.
Instead of wasting peoples' time by beating up on Shady, why don't you give a synopsis of Saggese - including his stats coming through the system, scouting reports on him, etc. Things of value. Thanks.

1. Why don’t you focus more on what Cranny posts, and let others decide what they want to post? Thanks.

2. You’re the one who decided to stick your nose into this half-cocked (as usual)—if it’s a waste of time, blame yourself as you’re entirely free to skip over it (as you’ve hypocritically told others to do).

3. As you already know, I’ve done many of the things you mention above in other threads, and even referenced Saggese’s normalized hitting and fielding stats earlier in this thread. But as usual, you’re so busy condescendingly lecturing other posters that you can’t be bothered to read what they actually wrote.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 17:54 pm**

I don't recall Yorkie spending much time pointing out Saggese's VERY impressive minor league production as a very young player in professional baseball. He's more focused on bashing other posters and Burleson.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 18:16 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 17:54 pm I don't recall Yorkie spending much time pointing out Saggese's VERY impressive minor league stats as a very young player in professional baseball.

Well, Trollie, as usual, you’re completely wrong about that (what else is new?). Not only have I posted about Saggese’s headline stats, I’ve also posted about his peripherals, his low BB%, his heavy reliance on BABIP, his elevated O-swing%, and his penchant for chasing hard stuff above the zone that could be problematic at the major league level. In other words, I’ve done all the work that you NEVER do in your usual lazy, fact-free, repetitive nonsense.

Now, perhaps at some point you’ll build up enough courage to address me directly, rather than playing your childish “Faux List” games.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 18:58 pm**

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 17:54 pm I don't recall Yorkie spending much time pointing out Saggese's VERY impressive minor league stats as a very young player in professional baseball.
Well, Trollie, as usual, you’re completely wrong about that (what else is new?). Not only have I posted about Saggese’s headline stats, I’ve also posted about his peripherals, his low BB%, his heavy reliance on BABIP, his elevated O-swing%, and his penchant for chasing hard stuff above the zone that could be problematic at the major league level. In other words, I’ve done all the work that you NEVER do in your usual lazy, fact-free, repetitive nonsense.

Now, perhaps at some point you’ll build up enough courage to address me directly, rather than playing your childish “Faux List” games.

Well, since you're such a "gentleman", NY, I'll respond with the same deep "respect" you show to other posters.

Saggese reached the AA-AAA levels when he was only 21 years old. That year, 2023, he slashed .306/.374/.530/.903.
In 139 games, he hit 26 home runs and had 111 RBI. He was named to the All Minor League All Star team at 2B.

At 22 years old, last year, he spent most of his time up at AAA and struggled some, slashing .253/.313/.438/.752. Had 20 home runs in 126 games. But in the AFL, he came alive slashing .391/.524/.594/1.118.

In 2025, at 23 years old, he matured at AAA and slashed .317/.402/.445/.847 before being promoted.

Scouting reports say that his natural position is 2B, although he has played other positions coming through the system.
Here's the breakdown - 255 games at 2B, 177 games at SS, and 138 games at 3B. He's the ideal guy to replace the versatile
Donovan if Donovan is traded.

Let's see if he adjusts as well to the majors as he adjusted at AAA his second time around. Maybe he starts at 2B and they put JJ at 3B? You8 never know.
You never know.

Scouting reports say he's a savvy base runner, with average speed. He's posted a 37.6% sweet spot rate, which is above average, so his hit tool is what will get him playing time at the highest level going forward.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 19:04 pm**

Baghdad Bob and Shady sitting in a tree....

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 19:08 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 18:58 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 17:54 pm I don't recall Yorkie spending much time pointing out Saggese's VERY impressive minor league stats as a very young player in professional baseball.
Well, Trollie, as usual, you’re completely wrong about that (what else is new?). Not only have I posted about Saggese’s headline stats, I’ve also posted about his peripherals, his low BB%, his heavy reliance on BABIP, his elevated O-swing%, and his penchant for chasing hard stuff above the zone that could be problematic at the major league level. In other words, I’ve done all the work that you NEVER do in your usual lazy, fact-free, repetitive nonsense.

Now, perhaps at some point you’ll build up enough courage to address me directly, rather than playing your childish “Faux List” games.
Well, since you're such a "gentleman", NY, I'll respond with the same deep "respect" you show to other posters.

Saggese reached the AA-AAA levels when he was only 21 years old. That year, 2023, he slashed .306/.374/.530/.903.
In 139 games, he hit 26 home runs and had 111 RBI. He was named to the All Minor League All Star team at 2B.

At 22 years old, last year, he spent most of his time up at AAA and struggled some, slashing .253/.313/.438/.752. Had 20 home runs in 126 games. But in the AFL, he came alive slashing .391/.524/.594/1.118.

In 2025, at 23 years old, he matured at AAA and slashed .317/.402/.445/.847 before being promoted.

Scouting reports say that his natural position is 2B, although he has played other positions coming through the system.
Here's the breakdown - 255 games at 2B, 177 games at SS, and 138 games at 3B. He's the ideal guy to replace the versatile
Donovan if Donovan is traded.

Let's see if he adjusts as well to the majors as he adjusted at AAA his second time around. Maybe he starts at 2B and they put JJ at 3B? You8 never know.
You never know.

Scouting reports say he's a savvy base runner, with average speed. He's posted a 37.6% sweet spot rate, which is above average, so his hit tool is what will get him playing time at the highest level going forward.

An outstanding synopsis of Saggese's minor league production. CT posters that weren't aware of his accomplishments, might feel a little better now about his potential. Instead of the Debbie Downer, JAG label.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 19:15 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:08 pm
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Saggese is underrated, at this time by some, because he hasn't delivered much power as yet. It will come.

We don’t need another light hitting clown like burly clogging up the lineup. Especially the third spot.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 19:21 pm**

hullie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 19:15 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:08 pm
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Saggese is underrated, at this time by some, because he hasn't delivered much power as yet. It will come.
We don’t need another light hitting clown like burly clogging up the lineup. Especially the third spot.

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Saggese was also named Texas League MVP in '23 at 21 years old. By the way, if you consider Burleson a "light hitting clown". Please list all those whom you consider, were more productive Cardinals' hitters than Burleson in '25. And back it up with solid reasons. Please take strikeout rates into consideration.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 20:50 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 19:21 pm
hullie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 19:15 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:08 pm
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Saggese is underrated, at this time by some, because he hasn't delivered much power as yet. It will come.
We don’t need another light hitting clown like burly clogging up the lineup. Especially the third spot.
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Saggese was also named Texas League MVP in '23 at 21 years old. By the way, if you consider Burleson a "light hitting clown". Please list all those whom you consider, were more productive Cardinals' hitters than Burleson in '25. And back it up with solid reasons. Please take strikeout rates into consideration.

Bottom line, Shady, is that some of these other posters should be rooting for Burleson and Saggese to succeed, rather than putting them down.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 20:59 pm**

Bottom line is strawmen and intentional misrepresentations of others’ actual views are misleading, dishonest, and utterly lacking in integrity. Bad faith all the way to the bottom.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 21:54 pm**

hullie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 19:15 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:08 pm
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Saggese is underrated, at this time by some, because he hasn't delivered much power as yet. It will come.
We don’t need another light hitting clown like burly clogging up the lineup. Especially the third spot.

Burley was the best hitter on the 25 Cardinals. Sadly, youre obviously trolling for personal reasons.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 22:06 pm**

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Ok, so you dont judge by batting avg. You go with the new fangled measurements. Thats fine, but if you have a lineup filled with .260 - .270 hitters, youre going to score runs, and youre going to win more games than you lose. .275 is pretty much the new .300.

I dont care how much power Gorman has, if he continues to hit around the 200 mark, hes not a "mile" better than anyone.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 22:25 pm**

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 20:59 pm Bottom line is strawmen and intentional misrepresentations of others’ actual views are misleading, dishonest, and utterly lacking in integrity. Bad faith all the way to the bottom.

Lol. Net net is you enjoy confrontation and the legend you see is the image in the mirror. You enjoy play judge and applaud your own judgemental decisions. You recognize the bottom because you dwell there.

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 22:43 pm**

No team wants our trash (Arenado)

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 23:02 pm**

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 22:06 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:45 pm
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 14:05 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Ok, so you dont judge by batting avg. You go with the new fangled measurements. Thats fine, but if you have a lineup filled with .260 - .270 hitters, youre going to score runs, and youre going to win more games than you lose. .275 is pretty much the new .300.

I dont care how much power Gorman has, if he continues to hit around the 200 mark, hes not a "mile" better than anyone.

I don’t get fans fascination with Gorman can’t hit can’t field. Reminds me of their fascination with Carlson oh but but but he’s got potential yea the potential to continue to suck. Almost 1600 at bats .218 .300 OBP .719 OPS sucks at fielding has a bad back but but but he’s got power lol

Posted: **24 Oct 2025 23:06 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 22:25 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 20:59 pm Bottom line is strawmen and intentional misrepresentations of others’ actual views are misleading, dishonest, and utterly lacking in integrity. Bad faith all the way to the bottom.
Lol. Net net is you enjoy confrontation and the legend you see is the image in the mirror. You enjoy play judge and applaud your own judgemental decisions. You recognize the bottom because you dwell there.

Vintage Cranny. Not even the tiniest shred of self-awareness or introspection.

But getting back to the point of the post: Just because some posters are willing to objectively analyze potential problems/issues with Cardinals players (or with the team in general) doesn't mean they are "rooting against" them or "putting them down." One would think you're old enough to understand the difference between being a critical-thinking fan and being a Pollyanna who wears Cardinal-colored glasses. Alas, you seem to equate "true" Cardinal fandom with drinking your Kool-Aid unquestioningly.

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