VS II needs to start in AAA

[Ozziesfan41]

Who plays CF? Not stumping for Argo. Just asking.

Argo needs to practice bunting and slash hitting for most of his off-season hitting practice.

Sign Luis Robert Jr., on a one year deal if the Chisox decline his option. Play him in CF until Scott Jr. proves he can bunt and hit oppo singles in Memphis. Then Robert Jr. can play in LF or RF for the rest of the season or until he is traded.

LoL.

No thank you. He's worse than Argo.

LOL . Robert Jr. hit 38 HR in '23 and stole 33 bases this year in only 110 games.

Sub .300 OBP sub .700 ops can’t stay on the field yea cards need More of those

[CorneliusWolfe]

Who plays CF? Not stumping for Argo. Just asking.

Argo needs to practice bunting and slash hitting for most of his off-season hitting practice.

IDK who in the h e l l "Argo" is, or why. (I get it that Brendan Donovan is nicknamed after the song in the 60s by the singer-songwriter Donovan; lame, not witty, more witless; whatever.)

Anyway, yes, Victor Scott II needs to practice daily bunting against every kind of pitch and location while learning how to deaden the ball and while trying to bunt the pitches to each of the prime bunting avenues (3rd, 1st, down the lines, closer to the mound, etc.). I mean, how many hours a day can he practice bunting? Wouldn't hurt Church either, or Winn or, for that matter, Hurdy--I mean, Donovan.

Argo is Victor Scott's rapper name (bleep).

Scouty - don’t be so pouty
he’s whiffin’ on the slider, curve and split
can’t even collect an infield hit
before you roll your eyes, here’s my rebuttal
roll his (donkey) back on the Memphis shuttle
boom-boom-chk-boom-boom—chk

- C-Dubbs

[renostl]

I'd throw a bunch at the Twins for Buxton...as a pipe dream

Buxton may have 10/5 rights and rarely plays 100 games.
If you're throwing a bunch see what TB wants for DeLuca or LAA for Adell.

[11WSChamps]

You can't start the season with Scott in CF unless he tears it up in ST.

What is the definition of insanity?

[ClassicO]

You can't start the season with Scott in CF unless he tears it up in ST.

What is the definition of insanity?

That also goes for Walker and Gorman.

[renostl]

You can't start the season with Scott in CF unless he tears it up in ST.

What is the definition of insanity?

That also goes for Walker and Gorman.

Moreso.
CF is a D first job and either VS2 or Church
bring those tools, can make a roster with those tools.

Those 2 haven't yet on either side of the ball.

[scoutyjones2]

Who plays CF? Not stumping for Argo. Just asking.

Argo needs to practice bunting and slash hitting for most of his off-season hitting practice.

Sign Luis Robert Jr., on a one year deal if the Chisox decline his option. Play him in CF until Scott Jr. proves he can bunt and hit oppo singles in Memphis. Then Robert Jr. can play in LF or RF for the rest of the season or until he is traded.

LoL.

No thank you. He's worse than Argo.

LOL . Robert Jr. hit 38 HR in '23 and stole 33 bases this year in only 110 games.

Post the rest of his garbage from this year? How many HR's did UniKKKorn hit in 2023? Just irrelevant!

Argo had 2.2 WAR. Roberto JR 1.4. His OPS gets worse every year.

[scoutyjones2]

Who plays CF? Not stumping for Argo. Just asking.

Argo needs to practice bunting and slash hitting for most of his off-season hitting practice.

IDK who in the h e l l "Argo" is, or why. (I get it that Brendan Donovan is nicknamed after the song in the 60s by the singer-songwriter Donovan; lame, not witty, more witless; whatever.)

Anyway, yes, Victor Scott II needs to practice daily bunting against every kind of pitch and location while learning how to deaden the ball and while trying to bunt the pitches to each of the prime bunting avenues (3rd, 1st, down the lines, closer to the mound, etc.). I mean, how many hours a day can he practice bunting? Wouldn't hurt Church either, or Winn or, for that matter, Hurdy--I mean, Donovan.

Argo is Victor Scott's rapper name (bleep).

Scouty - don’t be so pouty
he’s whiffin’ on the slider, curve and split
can’t even collect an infield hit
before you roll your eyes, here’s my rebuttal
roll his (donkey) back on the Memphis shuttle
boom-boom-chk-boom-boom—chk

- C-Dubbs

Who's pouting Corny?
Agreed...he goes to the minors. May the best man win the job in Spring Training. There aren't any vialble candidates in the system.

I would actively pursue Buxton...but that's a pipe dream. Also, Colby Thomas...another pipe dream.

[scoutyjones2]

I'd throw a bunch at the Twins for Buxton...as a pipe dream

Buxton may have 10/5 rights and rarely plays 100 games.
If you're throwing a bunch see what TB wants for DeLuca or LAA for Adell.

He played 126 games this year, 3 less than Masyn Winn who is 8 years younger . Posted a 133 OPS+ or better 3 of the last 4 years. 4.9 WAR. You platoon him with a replacement for late inning d.

He's owed $15/year thru 2028 with performance incentives.

Maybe he won't cost that much

Again, pipe dream and I realize his health issues.

[ClassicO]

Who plays CF? Not stumping for Argo. Just asking.

Argo needs to practice bunting and slash hitting for most of his off-season hitting practice.

Sign Luis Robert Jr., on a one year deal if the Chisox decline his option. Play him in CF until Scott Jr. proves he can bunt and hit oppo singles in Memphis. Then Robert Jr. can play in LF or RF for the rest of the season or until he is traded.

LoL.

No thank you. He's worse than Argo.

LOL . Robert Jr. hit 38 HR in '23 and stole 33 bases this year in only 110 games.

Post the rest of his garbage from this year? How many HR's did UniKKKorn hit in 2023? Just irrelevant!

Argo had 2.2 WAR. Roberto JR 1.4. His OPS gets worse every year.

VSII was 39th out of 49 in fWAR (1.3) among CFs with over 400 PAs. And 48th out of 49 in hitting.

He just needs some better coaching!

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders-legac ... &page=2_30

[scoutyjones2]

Who plays CF? Not stumping for Argo. Just asking.

Argo needs to practice bunting and slash hitting for most of his off-season hitting practice.

Sign Luis Robert Jr., on a one year deal if the Chisox decline his option. Play him in CF until Scott Jr. proves he can bunt and hit oppo singles in Memphis. Then Robert Jr. can play in LF or RF for the rest of the season or until he is traded.

LoL.

No thank you. He's worse than Argo.

LOL . Robert Jr. hit 38 HR in '23 and stole 33 bases this year in only 110 games.

Post the rest of his garbage from this year? How many HR's did UniKKKorn hit in 2023? Just irrelevant!

Argo had 2.2 WAR. Roberto JR 1.4. His OPS gets worse every year.

VSII was 39th out of 49 in fWAR (1.3) among CFs with over 400 PAs. And 48th out of 49 in hitting.
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders-legac ... [ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton]=cf&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=400&type=6&season=2025&month=0&season1=2024&ind=0&team=0&rost=1&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2024-01-01&enddate=2025-12-31&sort=3,d&page=2_30

I'm not arguing for Argo. LOL. He needs to be in the minors and working on bunting all offseason and slash hitting. But Luis Roberto JR is just pathetic to...

[ClassicO]

Who plays CF? Not stumping for Argo. Just asking.

Argo needs to practice bunting and slash hitting for most of his off-season hitting practice.

Sign Luis Robert Jr., on a one year deal if the Chisox decline his option. Play him in CF until Scott Jr. proves he can bunt and hit oppo singles in Memphis. Then Robert Jr. can play in LF or RF for the rest of the season or until he is traded.

LoL.

No thank you. He's worse than Argo.

LOL . Robert Jr. hit 38 HR in '23 and stole 33 bases this year in only 110 games.

Post the rest of his garbage from this year? How many HR's did UniKKKorn hit in 2023? Just irrelevant!

Argo had 2.2 WAR. Roberto JR 1.4. His OPS gets worse every year.

VSII was 39th out of 49 in fWAR (1.3) among CFs with over 400 PAs. And 48th out of 49 in hitting.
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders-legac ... [ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton]=cf&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=400&type=6&season=2025&month=0&season1=2024&ind=0&team=0&rost=1&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2024-01-01&enddate=2025-12-31&sort=3,d&page=2_30

I'm not arguing for Argo. LOL. He needs to be in the minors and working on bunting all offseason and slash hitting. But Luis Roberto JR is just pathetic to...

Agree.
100% NO on Robert.

[12xu]

I am not alone in believing that Luis Robert Jr., if he can stay healthy, could have a significant comeback season in '26. Now let me assure you that I would not be willing to pay anywhere near the $20 MM contract the Chisox owe him next year, but if they decline his option and pay the $2 MM and let him walk, I would think a $10 MM pillow deal would get him for a year. He showed signs of improvement this past season, and this article explains how:

https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/chicag ... -jr-limbo/

It is still unkown if Chicago will keep him or not, they may even try to accept the option and then try to trade him, which I would not do, unless the Sox would eat half his contract.

[Cusecards]

Scott increased his batting average in one season from .179 to .216 OBP from .219 to .305 slugging from .283 to .296 OPS from .502 to .601 since the cardinals aren’t going to contend next season I say give him a third year see if he can increase the numbers similarly. The more pressing need is a power hitting corner infielder and or outfielder that’s who they need to be going after.

Reading over your post more closely, especially the listed “improvement” stats, I’m more convinced he doesn’t belong in the major leagues.
I don’t care if they’re rebuilding or not, they need to find a replacement until he proves he can hit at AAA.
I understand the concept of letting players try to improve their skills in the majors, but there have to be guardrails. An “improved” .296 slugging is not within those guardrails.
Why is it once they invest in a player and put him on a major league roster, that is so hard to get them off?

Because people are worried about a ninth place hitting good defensive center fielder when the cardinals have zero middle of the order bats no good 3,4 or 5 hitter and people are complaining about must upgrade centerfield? I look at it realistically not pipe dream. They aren’t going to get a good hitting good defensive center fielder and solid 3,4,5 bats it’s not happening. They have Baez coming and Torres, church and Scott who can be a stop gap until then and maybe one of them emerges. He needs to worry about the middle of the order instead of a ninth place hitting center fielder

I agree that they need better players at multiple spots. But that doesn't mean you don't try to improve --- where you can. It doesn't take much to improve on VSII's offense. I haven't heard much from others about where they can realistically improve other positions, unless you believe Melville that they can trade 4 lousy players for a mythical All-Star corner outfielder.
I'd be joyous if they can improve the entire OF, 3b and SPs.

I think you have to prioritize first. Fix corner infield and corner outfield first and middle of the order and rotation. Center field should be low on the priority list and then after next season if no one has emerged as a center fielder look for an upgrade there. A good hitting good hitting center fielder is going to cost a lost in the prospect department prospects the cardinals don’t have to spend

+1
Attend to other multiple needs ahead of CF.
And I’m not saying that Scott will emerge but I’d still give it more time.
At least you know he can lock down CF defensively
(Except he may need a AAA Triptik to tell him what base to throw to?? LOL).
And while his plate approach is poor if he could stop popping the ball up he could be a factor with his speed!

[RamFan08NY]

They've got a handful of players that should start season at AAA. you still need to field a team.

Hopefully someone like Kop lights it up in spring and finds a spot.

[Clubmaker2]

Should Scott really just be given the AAA starting slot? No minor leaguer can outperform his .597 OPS and start over him in AAA?