DeWitt III said if 'giant chunk' of payroll traded..will be spent in other areas

[Melville]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

Only an idiot would trade the sole strikeout producing starting pitcher on a team which ranked 29th in MLB in that area.
Particularly since any such move would be a contract dump with very little return as a result.
Unlike Super Slo Mo, Bloom is no idiot (quite possibly weak, but not an idiot).
I suspect he knows, as I have advised, the best option is to have Gray return.
The team can keep him AND compete for a W/C in 2026, with 3 relatively easily accomplished moves.

I don't see Bloom being "weak", seems like a pretty solid guy unlike the prior POBO.

I don't see Bloom one way or the other, but his decision to retain Marmol suggests possible weakness.
It bears watching.

Wasn't his decision, that was BDWJr who knew 2026 was a throwaway season and he wasn't putting any "real" money into the team so why pay Oli to sit on his a z z?

He' far from a "weak" POBO, seems like a pretty decisive guy who has a plan and will execute it.

He is either the POBO or he isn't.
He should have demanded to fire The Marmot - and clearly did not.
That is not "decisive".
It is, however, a major blinder.
Strike 1.
Hopefully he gets better from here.

[rockondlouie]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

I think there’s a good chance that Gray is moved but I have no problem keeping him.
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
is a good start to a rotation. I think we trade for a starter and acquire one through FA. Give Matthews, Doyle and Henderson next year in AAA and let them develop. If one of them steps up and is ready to help late, that’s great but give them development time. Love to be in on an Alcantara trade, bringing him back to STL. Maybe really try to pry one of the Seattle starters away from the Mariners. I’d take Gilbert, Kirby or Woo. Whomever we trade for could slide in as a TOTR starter. Maybe we bring back Gallen as a FA. A rotation of
Gray
(Alcantara, Gilbert, Kirby, Woo)
Gallen
Liberatore
McGreevy
is a (drat) good start to a solid rotation.

Then concentrate on bringing in a productive outfielder. I’d prefer two but one is a necessity. Where he comes from is hard to say because we don’t truly know who might be available yet. Could Colorado be tempted to part with Goodman? Young and could play CF. I’m sure there are others.

2 starters and a MOTO outfield bat and this team could take several steps to relevancy and with what we have already moved on from and our payroll is still under control.

It's very possible (likely) but I think the return would have to be strong, no way you just give away a pitcher of Gray's stature simply for salary relief.

Unfortunately I don't see the M's dealing any of that core three, all of which I agree w/you I'd love to have!

And even if they did it would cost us JJW and Doyle to land Gilbert or Woo, too high a cost.

I've been pushing to sign Gallen for months if Gray is dealt using his off the books money for a true ACE until this season.

The OF has to be priority #1B right behind #1A starting pitching.

[rockondlouie]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

Unless something has changed, I think Gray controls the “pathway” to return to St Louis. Full NTC, as I understand it.

Not necessarily PRT.

Bloom doesn't have to trade him.

If he chooses not to, then Gray will be here on the mound OD 2026.

But he does indeed have a full NTC, so he'd have to approve any trade Bloom "might" bring to him.

Oh the promise of FREED UP MONEY next season……Are you fellas falling for that one again…..Almost every year theres this mysterious freed up money from ending contracts….we see it.
And just as magically it somehow evaporates(arbitration, current salary increases…..) poof all gone…..BDW magic

Not me GF, I have never "fallen" for anything.

I figured out many years ago how BDWJr operates in good times (re: 3+M attendance) where he'd only spend money from expiring or traded contracts.

In bad times like 2024/2025 he simply puts the huge payroll slashing savings into his pocket.

I see it like this. They will pocket a lot of it. I think they will also use some of it for their new development centers including instructors and coaches etc. even new gadgets and facilities. Jmho

Agreed alex

I don't trust the Dewitt's will re-invest much of the NADO/Gray savings if those two are dealt into the major league roster.

Minor league system should be almost fully invested, that's where the HUGE 2024/2025 payroll slashing money went along w/a huge bag into the bank.

They may throw C. Bloom a scrap ($10M?) while retaining the rest.

[rockondlouie]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

Only an idiot would trade the sole strikeout producing starting pitcher on a team which ranked 29th in MLB in that area.
Particularly since any such move would be a contract dump with very little return as a result.
Unlike Super Slo Mo, Bloom is no idiot (quite possibly weak, but not an idiot).
I suspect he knows, as I have advised, the best option is to have Gray return.
The team can keep him AND compete for a W/C in 2026, with 3 relatively easily accomplished moves.

I don't see Bloom being "weak", seems like a pretty solid guy unlike the prior POBO.

I don't see Bloom one way or the other, but his decision to retain Marmol suggests possible weakness.
It bears watching.

Wasn't his decision, that was BDWJr who knew 2026 was a throwaway season and he wasn't putting any "real" money into the team so why pay Oli to sit on his a z z?

He' far from a "weak" POBO, seems like a pretty decisive guy who has a plan and will execute it.

He is either the POBO or he isn't.
He should have demanded to fire The Marmot - and clearly did not.
That is not "decisive".
It is, however, a major blinder.
Strike 1.
Hopefully he gets better from here.

I've wanted Oli gone since Game 1 of the Phillies playoff series, he's useless.

But you DON'T "demand" anything from THE OWNER unless you want your a z z kicked out the door.

Absolutely NO strike one, foolish of you mel to throw that B.S. his way when it's pretty well known BDWJr made the call on Oli.

Remember the Golden Rule...............He who has the gold, makes the rules.

BDWJr has the gold.

[Melville]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

Only an idiot would trade the sole strikeout producing starting pitcher on a team which ranked 29th in MLB in that area.
Particularly since any such move would be a contract dump with very little return as a result.
Unlike Super Slo Mo, Bloom is no idiot (quite possibly weak, but not an idiot).
I suspect he knows, as I have advised, the best option is to have Gray return.
The team can keep him AND compete for a W/C in 2026, with 3 relatively easily accomplished moves.

I don't see Bloom being "weak", seems like a pretty solid guy unlike the prior POBO.

I don't see Bloom one way or the other, but his decision to retain Marmol suggests possible weakness.
It bears watching.

Wasn't his decision, that was BDWJr who knew 2026 was a throwaway season and he wasn't putting any "real" money into the team so why pay Oli to sit on his a z z?

He' far from a "weak" POBO, seems like a pretty decisive guy who has a plan and will execute it.

He is either the POBO or he isn't.
He should have demanded to fire The Marmot - and clearly did not.
That is not "decisive".
It is, however, a major blinder.
Strike 1.
Hopefully he gets better from here.

I've wanted Oli gone since Game 1 of the Phillies playoff series, he's useless.

But you DON'T "demand" anything from THE OWNER unless you want your a z z kicked out the door.

Absolutely NO strike one, foolish of you mel to throw that B.S. his way when it's pretty well known BDWJr made the call on Oli.

Remember the Golden Rule...............He who has the gold, makes the rules.

BDWJr has the gold.

If a POBO does not demand full autonomy in selecting his own manager and staff, he is not really the POBO.
That is the reality.
Either Bloom wanted to retain Marmot and staff, or he wanted them gone and lacked the juice to do it.
Either way, very poor start to his administration.
Hopefully he is better at roster construction.
We shall see.

[rockondlouie]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

Only an idiot would trade the sole strikeout producing starting pitcher on a team which ranked 29th in MLB in that area.
Particularly since any such move would be a contract dump with very little return as a result.
Unlike Super Slo Mo, Bloom is no idiot (quite possibly weak, but not an idiot).
I suspect he knows, as I have advised, the best option is to have Gray return.
The team can keep him AND compete for a W/C in 2026, with 3 relatively easily accomplished moves.

I don't see Bloom being "weak", seems like a pretty solid guy unlike the prior POBO.

I don't see Bloom one way or the other, but his decision to retain Marmol suggests possible weakness.
It bears watching.

Wasn't his decision, that was BDWJr who knew 2026 was a throwaway season and he wasn't putting any "real" money into the team so why pay Oli to sit on his a z z?

He' far from a "weak" POBO, seems like a pretty decisive guy who has a plan and will execute it.

He is either the POBO or he isn't.
He should have demanded to fire The Marmot - and clearly did not.
That is not "decisive".
It is, however, a major blinder.
Strike 1.
Hopefully he gets better from here.

I've wanted Oli gone since Game 1 of the Phillies playoff series, he's useless.

But you DON'T "demand" anything from THE OWNER unless you want your a z z kicked out the door.

Absolutely NO strike one, foolish of you mel to throw that B.S. his way when it's pretty well known BDWJr made the call on Oli.

Remember the Golden Rule...............He who has the gold, makes the rules.

BDWJr has the gold.

If a POBO does not demand full autonomy in selecting his own manager and staff, he is not really the POBO.
That is the reality.
Either Bloom wanted to retain Marmot and staff, or he wanted them gone and lacked the juice to do it.
Either way, very poor start to his administration.
Hopefully he is better at roster construction.
We shall see.

Oh he'll get to name his own Manager...............after the 2026 throwaway season (at least in BDWJr's mind) and the new CBA is in place.

Why bring in a new Manager w/this bunch knowing you're likely staring at a losing 2026 unless Bloom can made some shrewd trades/signings?

And I have a hunch we're going to see Bloom make some changes to the major league coaching staff, I'd love to see D. Blake canned along w/some of the other deadweight in the dugout.

Strong start by Bloom, you need to acknowledge the great hirings he's already made down below.

Now that he's got the title and the power, we should see more.

2027 is the year when Bloom hires his man (I'd love to get K. Cash out of TB) and BDWJr will give him a reasonable payroll.

BUT only after there's a new CBA in place.

[Whatashame]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

I think there’s a good chance that Gray is moved but I have no problem keeping him.
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
is a good start to a rotation. I think we trade for a starter and acquire one through FA. Give Matthews, Doyle and Henderson next year in AAA and let them develop. If one of them steps up and is ready to help late, that’s great but give them development time. Love to be in on an Alcantara trade, bringing him back to STL. Maybe really try to pry one of the Seattle starters away from the Mariners. I’d take Gilbert, Kirby or Woo. Whomever we trade for could slide in as a TOTR starter. Maybe we bring back Gallen as a FA. A rotation of
Gray
(Alcantara, Gilbert, Kirby, Woo)
Gallen
Liberatore
McGreevy
is a (drat) good start to a solid rotation.

Then concentrate on bringing in a productive outfielder. I’d prefer two but one is a necessity. Where he comes from is hard to say because we don’t truly know who might be available yet. Could Colorado be tempted to part with Goodman? Young and could play CF. I’m sure there are others.

2 starters and a MOTO outfield bat and this team could take several steps to relevancy and with what we have already moved on from and our payroll is still under control.

It's very possible (likely) but I think the return would have to be strong, no way you just give away a pitcher of Gray's stature simply for salary relief.

Unfortunately I don't see the M's dealing any of that core three, all of which I agree w/you I'd love to have!

And even if they did it would cost us JJW and Doyle to land Gilbert or Woo, too high a cost.

I've been pushing to sign Gallen for months if Gray is dealt using his off the books money for a true ACE until this season.

The OF has to be priority #1B right behind #1A starting pitching.

Don’t get locked in on the Seattle group of pitchers. I mentioned 4 but there are others out there. We need two starters and we have some trade capital (Donovan, Herrera, Burleson). There will be pitching available. What I don’t want to do is keep bringing in the likes of Fedde, Mikolas, Leake etc. We need to up our expectations game and want more. Watching the playoffs, you need good starting pitching to have a chance. Having a pitcher give up 4-5 runs early then “settle in” is a recipe for disaster. Trades for us out in the baseball fan world are hard to predict because we have zero insider information. There will be guys available. I wish there was a way to know what BDW/Mo had available to them and what they turned down or declined to pursue for whatever reason. I think we would be shocked at the answer.

As for Gray, I mentioned in another post that Gray will be interesting. I think the Cardinals will try to move him but the question is how much would you have to eat before it’s just better to keep him. Eating 10 million, 15 million, 20 million?? There is a puke point where it’s just better to keep him. He is still a serviceable pitcher on a one year contract. 40 million is a lot but is 30 million? 25 million?

If Bloom decides to keep Gray for next season I have no problem with it because we need starting pitching and as I said, Gray still has some game left. In moving Gray it’s about how much we have to eat. I think there’s a puke point there that makes it more sensible just to keep him but if someone comes along and wants to take his contract with little to no dollars eaten….. I think Gray is moved.

[rockondlouie]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

I think there’s a good chance that Gray is moved but I have no problem keeping him.
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
is a good start to a rotation. I think we trade for a starter and acquire one through FA. Give Matthews, Doyle and Henderson next year in AAA and let them develop. If one of them steps up and is ready to help late, that’s great but give them development time. Love to be in on an Alcantara trade, bringing him back to STL. Maybe really try to pry one of the Seattle starters away from the Mariners. I’d take Gilbert, Kirby or Woo. Whomever we trade for could slide in as a TOTR starter. Maybe we bring back Gallen as a FA. A rotation of
Gray
(Alcantara, Gilbert, Kirby, Woo)
Gallen
Liberatore
McGreevy
is a (drat) good start to a solid rotation.

Then concentrate on bringing in a productive outfielder. I’d prefer two but one is a necessity. Where he comes from is hard to say because we don’t truly know who might be available yet. Could Colorado be tempted to part with Goodman? Young and could play CF. I’m sure there are others.

2 starters and a MOTO outfield bat and this team could take several steps to relevancy and with what we have already moved on from and our payroll is still under control.

It's very possible (likely) but I think the return would have to be strong, no way you just give away a pitcher of Gray's stature simply for salary relief.

Unfortunately I don't see the M's dealing any of that core three, all of which I agree w/you I'd love to have!

And even if they did it would cost us JJW and Doyle to land Gilbert or Woo, too high a cost.

I've been pushing to sign Gallen for months if Gray is dealt using his off the books money for a true ACE until this season.

The OF has to be priority #1B right behind #1A starting pitching.

Don’t get locked in on the Seattle group of pitchers. I mentioned 4 but there are others out there. We need two starters and we have some trade capital (Donovan, Herrera, Burleson). There will be pitching available. What I don’t want to do is keep bringing in the likes of Fedde, Mikolas, Leake etc. We need to up our expectations game and want more. Watching the playoffs, you need good starting pitching to have a chance. Having a pitcher give up 4-5 runs early then “settle in” is a recipe for disaster. Trades for us out in the baseball fan world are hard to predict because we have zero insider information. There will be guys available. I wish there was a way to know what BDW/Mo had available to them and what they turned down or declined to pursue for whatever reason. I think we would be shocked at the answer.

As for Gray, I mentioned in another post that Gray will be interesting. I think the Cardinals will try to move him but the question is how much would you have to eat before it’s just better to keep him. Eating 10 million, 15 million, 20 million?? There is a puke point where it’s just better to keep him. He is still a serviceable pitcher on a one year contract. 40 million is a lot but is 30 million? 25 million?

If Bloom decides to keep Gray for next season I have no problem with it because we need starting pitching and as I said, Gray still has some game left. In moving Gray it’s about how much we have to eat. I think there’s a puke point there that makes it more sensible just to keep him but if someone comes along and wants to take his contract with little to no dollars eaten….. I think Gray is moved.

I've been saying for a while Bloom will use his trade assets (Donny, Noot, Burly, Gorman, Walker and the many catchers in the system) to acquire a starting pitcher or two and not even looking at the M's since I doubt they'd trade any of them.

I don't see him dealing Hererra who's our best bat (even if it has to be at DH) or Winn, everyone else on the ML roster could be had in the right deal.

The days of the Fedde's, Gibson's, Lynn is over, that stupid thinking left w/Mo.

Bloom has already made it clear he's only interested in adding players that "fit the rebuild" theme (re: young players w/upside).

Gallen fits that description since he's only going into his age 30 season and should have multiple good years left ($100M/4-5 yrs if Gray is dealt?).

As for Gray, even if BDWJr eats $10M for a better return it would be a smart move as long as he allows Bloom to re-invest the savings (re: Gallen).

I also don't have a problem keeping Gray either, no way I want to see him in a salary dump for little return and the savings not re-invested into the 2026 roster.

Keep an eye on the obvious, Braves as well as the Giants (he's familiar w/the Bay area from his A's days).

Should be a fun winter watching Bloom's moves, I'm hoping for a Whitey/1980 roster makeover in terms of players moved ( acknowledging there's no way we get back the same level of players Whitey did).

[dugoutrex]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

Only an idiot would trade the sole strikeout producing starting pitcher on a team which ranked 29th in MLB in that area.
Particularly since any such move would be a contract dump with very little return as a result.
Unlike Super Slo Mo, Bloom is no idiot (quite possibly weak, but not an idiot).
I suspect he knows, as I have advised, the best option is to have Gray return.
The team can keep him AND compete for a W/C in 2026, with 3 relatively easily accomplished moves.

I don't see Bloom being "weak", seems like a pretty solid guy unlike the prior POBO.

I don't see Bloom one way or the other, but his decision to retain Marmol suggests possible weakness.
It bears watching.

Wasn't his decision, that was BDWJr who knew 2026 was a throwaway season and he wasn't putting any "real" money into the team so why pay Oli to sit on his a z z?

He' far from a "weak" POBO, seems like a pretty decisive guy who has a plan and will execute it.

He is either the POBO or he isn't.
He should have demanded to fire The Marmot - and clearly did not.
That is not "decisive".
It is, however, a major blinder.
Strike 1.
Hopefully he gets better from here.

I've wanted Oli gone since Game 1 of the Phillies playoff series, he's useless.

But you DON'T "demand" anything from THE OWNER unless you want your a z z kicked out the door.

Absolutely NO strike one, foolish of you mel to throw that B.S. his way when it's pretty well known BDWJr made the call on Oli.

Remember the Golden Rule...............He who has the gold, makes the rules.

BDWJr has the gold.

If a POBO does not demand full autonomy in selecting his own manager and staff, he is not really the POBO.
That is the reality.
Either Bloom wanted to retain Marmot and staff, or he wanted them gone and lacked the juice to do it.
Either way, very poor start to his administration.
Hopefully he is better at roster construction.
We shall see.

girl, don't you know how this works - it's all Bloom if you like it (drafting JJ)
it's all BDW (or Moe) if you don't (keeping, and maybe extending Oli)

now, where is my sandwich ?

[Bushiro]

It appears he's for sure dealing NADO but this statement from J. Denton makes me wonder if he has other plans for S. Gray:

Bloom does feel there is a more realistic pathway to the veteran right-hander’s return to St. Louis next season.

If he keeps Gray, then it may show Bloom has some ideas on how to walk (keep acquiring players/prospects via trades and smart FA signings) & chew gum (still compete which could help bolster attendance and thus payroll in 2027).

Unless something has changed, I think Gray controls the “pathway” to return to St Louis. Full NTC, as I understand it.

Not necessarily PRT.

Bloom doesn't have to trade him.

If he chooses not to, then Gray will be here on the mound OD 2026.

But he does indeed have a full NTC, so he'd have to approve any trade Bloom "might" bring to him.

Oh the promise of FREED UP MONEY next season……Are you fellas falling for that one again…..Almost every year theres this mysterious freed up money from ending contracts….we see it.
And just as magically it somehow evaporates(arbitration, current salary increases…..) poof all gone…..BDW magic

Mlb network...espn etc...they all fell for it....we heard it every year...35 million to spend..45 million to spend...cards are expected to make a splash...cardinals will be big players in the free agent market sources say....and nothing...then it became mo is taking from the minor leagues and other areas just to have the payroll at the mlb level...then slashing payroll...then a reset not a rebuild gotta see what we have....so should be interesting...

[Bomber1]

In other areas? What does that mean? He mentioned gameday experience. Is he throwing payroll money at a new Fredbird outfit? Booking some pregame concerts? Remodeling the restrooms? What is the grown-up Eddie Munster planning?

Fredo loves the term “gameday experience”.

What a freaking clown.