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scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 18:48 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:05 am

bretto12 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:27 am what was Marmol's batting average and pitching ERA over that bad section. Oh, sorry, I forgot he was not on the field and that it was the players who failed to perform. This has been beat to death. Managers with good players win, managers with bad players lose.

Also bad managers lose.

all managers lose

45s wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:14 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:08 am The players clearly bear the brunt of the responsibility.
But...you can’t ignore that there are issues with decision making and that team fundamentals are below average.
I consider Marmol below average. Worth looking at along with players.

I think that is a thoughtful observation..

This organization is dysfunctional…..from top to bottom…..it’s going to take a lot more effort than firing a marginal field manager

sdaltons wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:47 am I'm no Marmol defender but there are no "meaningless" games. They all count the same.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 13:58 pm Leadership and culture matter.

ForumPolice wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:02 pm Don't sell Oli short. He's also worthless when it doesn't count

Melville wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 13:48 pm

ForumPolice wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:02 pm Don't sell Oli short. He's also worthless when it doesn't count

Nicely done.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 13:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 11:49 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 09:47 am

45s wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:14 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:08 am The players clearly bear the brunt of the responsibility.
But...you can’t ignore that there are issues with decision making and that team fundamentals are below average.
I consider Marmol below average. Worth looking at along with players.

I think that is a thoughtful observation..

This organization is dysfunctional…..from top to bottom…..it’s going to take a lot more effort than firing a marginal field manager

Well the effort will get off to a great start once the idiot-in-
charge rides off into the sunset Oct. 31.

Only then can the healing begin.

Is the bow tied idiot actually leaving? First he was going to start turning over responsibilities to Bloom after the All Star break. Then after the trade deadline. Then after the season ended. Now it's October 31st? What is the purpose of that jackass staying on for a month after the season ends? Just get the heck out already, you putz.

His contract expires on 10-31 I believe.

Mozeliak clearing out his office will be the best Halloween present any Cardinal fan could hope for.

BTW I never read anyplace except on CT that Mozeliak was turning over duties after the break or the trade deadline. Unless someone shows a link I doubt he ever said that.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 15:33 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 13:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 11:49 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 09:47 am

45s wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:14 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:08 am The players clearly bear the brunt of the responsibility.
But...you can’t ignore that there are issues with decision making and that team fundamentals are below average.
I consider Marmol below average. Worth looking at along with players.

I think that is a thoughtful observation..

This organization is dysfunctional…..from top to bottom…..it’s going to take a lot more effort than firing a marginal field manager

Well the effort will get off to a great start once the idiot-in-
charge rides off into the sunset Oct. 31.

Only then can the healing begin.

Is the bow tied idiot actually leaving? First he was going to start turning over responsibilities to Bloom after the All Star break. Then after the trade deadline. Then after the season ended. Now it's October 31st? What is the purpose of that jackass staying on for a month after the season ends? Just get the heck out already, you putz.

His contract expires on 10-31 I believe.

Mozeliak clearing out his office will be the best Halloween present any Cardinal fan could hope for.

BTW I never read anyplace except on CT that Mozeliak was turning over duties after the break or the trade deadline. Unless someone shows a link I doubt he ever said that.

He alluded to a "transition" of the job duties throughout the season. Supposedly Bloom would be taking on more of the POBO role and Mo would be advising by season's end.

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 16:26 pm Also when it doesn't count.

icon wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 16:49 pm

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 16:26 pm Also when it doesn't count.

Exactly. He is not leader or managerial material, period.

But he actually can't be worth less. He's rock bottom now.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 16:18 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 15:33 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 13:06 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 11:49 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 09:47 am

45s wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:14 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:08 am The players clearly bear the brunt of the responsibility.
But...you can’t ignore that there are issues with decision making and that team fundamentals are below average.
I consider Marmol below average. Worth looking at along with players.

I think that is a thoughtful observation..

This organization is dysfunctional…..from top to bottom…..it’s going to take a lot more effort than firing a marginal field manager

Well the effort will get off to a great start once the idiot-in-
charge rides off into the sunset Oct. 31.

Only then can the healing begin.

Is the bow tied idiot actually leaving? First he was going to start turning over responsibilities to Bloom after the All Star break. Then after the trade deadline. Then after the season ended. Now it's October 31st? What is the purpose of that jackass staying on for a month after the season ends? Just get the heck out already, you putz.

His contract expires on 10-31 I believe.

Mozeliak clearing out his office will be the best Halloween present any Cardinal fan could hope for.

BTW I never read anyplace except on CT that Mozeliak was turning over duties after the break or the trade deadline. Unless someone shows a link I doubt he ever said that.

He alluded to a "transition" of the job duties throughout the season. Supposedly Bloom would be taking on more of the POBO role and Mo would be advising by season's end.

Ok that makes sense, and it seems obvious Bloom had a hand in the Red Sox deadline trade.

Still, On November 1 a new better chapter begins.

I like Bloom’s chances to turn this thing around but it is going to be rough road that I expect to take 3 years to come to fruition if he does things right.

Patience is the watchword.

Melville wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 13:42 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 18:48 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 10:05 am

bretto12 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:27 am what was Marmol's batting average and pitching ERA over that bad section. Oh, sorry, I forgot he was not on the field and that it was the players who failed to perform. This has been beat to death. Managers with good players win, managers with bad players lose.

Also bad managers lose.

all managers lose

Not all collapse when it counts.
The Marmot does.
Multiple times now.

ForumPolice wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 15:21 pm

Melville wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 13:48 pm

ForumPolice wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:02 pm Don't sell Oli short. He's also worthless when it doesn't count

Nicely done.

I'm just wanting him to get full credit due