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Jatalk wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 21:47 pm Not the first hot headed Cardinal. Yadi wasn’t Mr. Cool and collected.

True. Winning makes the hothead a hero while losing makes the same guy a degenerate.

That man thought he was coming here to win and it’s been a complete disaster from year 1. I’d be (upset) too.

Zambrano is a good comp

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 23:07 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 21:47 pm Not the first hot headed Cardinal. Yadi wasn’t Mr. Cool and collected.

True. Winning makes the hothead a hero while losing makes the same guy a degenerate.

That man thought he was coming here to win and it’s been a complete disaster from year 1. I’d be (upset) too.

Well he’s free to waive his NTC if he’s that pizzed off

hmoss859 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 23:12 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 23:07 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 21:47 pm Not the first hot headed Cardinal. Yadi wasn’t Mr. Cool and collected.

True. Winning makes the hothead a hero while losing makes the same guy a degenerate.

That man thought he was coming here to win and it’s been a complete disaster from year 1. I’d be (upset) too.

Well he’s free to waive his NTC if he’s that pizzed off

Could happen. Sometimes you want something to work out so much you realize you’ve become too frustrated trying to force it. I thought if he was going to crack it would’ve been on another HBP.

By no means do I approve of or defend the tirade WC went on tonight but it does seem extremely odd that he walked away without any argument of the call at home plate only to blow up well after he left the home plate area.

And if he indeed did not say whatever it was that got him tossed Marmol should be first getting him to the clubhouse so this incident never happens and then return to the field to defend him.

Again, not defending his actions tonight as they were unacceptable but certainly understanding his boiling point - as someone mentioned he’s been hit by pitches throughout the season and never defended as far as I can recall, he willingly moved to first to help the team and has been a solid bat in the lineup - yes he allows his emotions to get out of control but let’s not throw this guy too far under the bus all things considered.

Melville wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:22 pm

TopofthePerch wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:16 pm

Melville wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:13 pm How long would you suspend him?
I would give him 15 games.

Well Victor Robles got ten and he deliberately threw the bat towards the pitcher. So I can't see it being more than that.

Contreras threw it at an umpire.
Big difference.
He also threw his helmet and a bucket.

He did not. It was a toss in the direction of the umpire and others. He did not throw the bat directly at anyone. And there was very little force behind it. Had Brown been paying attention, he doesn't get hit.

That's not defending the action. But I'm not going to go dramatically overboard like you. Geez

Contreras complains about the umpire missing strike calls, yet he has struck out 128 times in 441 AB's.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:48 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 21:32 pm

TopofthePerch wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 21:28 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 21:23 pm Just a hot head and I’m frankly tired of his antics

He plays with a lot of emotion and clearly lets it get the best of him but at least he has it. All I hear is fans cry about how the players show no passion. Like you never get upset and lose your cool fans are such tools

No sir, throwing the bat at umpire and hitting a coach in face

That’s stupidity, not passion

He’s a fake tough guy

LoL...no, actually, he's a real tough guy

A fake tough guy defending another fake tough guy.

Get him out of St. Louis. He is a jerk. He swings at bad pitches all the time and gets (upset) when he is called out on a pitch at the bottom of the strike zone. He does it every game! Great role model for our kids!

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 01:42 am

Melville wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:22 pm

TopofthePerch wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:16 pm

Melville wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:13 pm How long would you suspend him?
I would give him 15 games.

Well Victor Robles got ten and he deliberately threw the bat towards the pitcher. So I can't see it being more than that.

Contreras threw it at an umpire.
Big difference.
He also threw his helmet and a bucket.

He did not. It was a toss in the direction of the umpire and others. He did not throw the bat directly at anyone. And there was very little force behind it. Had Brown been paying attention, he doesn't get hit.

That's not defending the action. But I'm not going to go dramatically overboard like you. Geez

Perhaps so.

However, Bown had a reasonable expectation that WC wasn't going to attempt (based on past experience) either a full- or half-arsed attempt to assault someone with a baseball bat in that moment.

The shock of the act itself helped assure someone got struck.

The first test for bloom

It was an ugly incident and Contreras deserves a fine and suspension. 15 games? Not likely - I remember an incident just over 60 years ago, when Juan Marichal hit Dodger catcher John Roseboro in the head with his bat, resulting in a wound which took 14 stitches to repair. Marichal was fined and got suspended for only 8 games. Here is a detailed description of one of the ugliest incidents in MLB history:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/134 ... -years-ago

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 01:42 am

Melville wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:22 pm

TopofthePerch wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:16 pm

Melville wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 22:13 pm How long would you suspend him?
I would give him 15 games.

Well Victor Robles got ten and he deliberately threw the bat towards the pitcher. So I can't see it being more than that.

Contreras threw it at an umpire.
Big difference.
He also threw his helmet and a bucket.

He did not. It was a toss in the direction of the umpire and others. He did not throw the bat directly at anyone. And there was very little force behind it. Had Brown been paying attention, he doesn't get hit.

That's not defending the action. But I'm not going to go dramatically overboard like you. Geez

This! Too many drama queens on here. Good Lord..

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 01:42 am
He did not. It was a toss in the direction of the umpire and others. He did not throw the bat directly at anyone. And there was very little force behind it. Had Brown been paying attention, he doesn't get hit.

That's not defending the action. But I'm not going to go dramatically overboard like you. Geez

No kidding. I had to rewatch it. I thought I missed something. He tossed it back and it didn’t seem intentional.

I guess I am the only one who could believe the ump was egging him on / out of line too.

Doesn't have to be 'pick a side' both sides can be wrong.

He went way overboard with his emotions and will pay for it with a 5-10 game suspension and will deserve it. Emotional guys get out of control sometimes and this was certainly one of those times.